Brittney Griner & Glory Johnson Arrested for Assault

[j66kicker]

Been married for 39 years...have had many disagreements but never have laid a hand on her nor she on me. Brittney Griner's history with physical assault isn't that good maybe it is time for some anger management classes.

She already tried that

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

There are easily a thousand of this type of domestic situation every day. One party files a charge and the other party files a counter charge. The police arrest both and in a couple of days both charges are dropped.

No one will be tried in court and no one will be suspended.

That is most likely what will happen, but it's quite disappointing. Having grown up in a household where there was domestic abuse, I feel for Brittney and Glory. It's an epidemic in this country.

 

[reno tony]

Will the standards be the same as for the NFL?

Wondered the same thing. Probably not would be my guess.

 

[Alydar]

Hopefully that will not be the case. If a battered women doesn't want to press charges against an NFL star, should charges not be filed if there is evidence of assault? Should the NFL not suspend the player?

The only evidence is the testimony of the two who got arrested along with the relative who reportedly called the police. If none of them is willing to testify the prosecutor has little chance of winning a conviction against anyone.

I've know several officers and they have told me most of these incidents involve either money or infidelity and usually are alcohol related. The officers I know found these calls to be the most dangerous for them due to the extreme emotions at play. My guess is that both will go into counselling and in a few months will have the charges dropped or will plead to disturbing the peace at worst.

I wonder if Glory was showing Britany how to attack a face with an elbow instead of a fist and things just out of control.

 

[Striper69]

Not a good sign. I just hope that they can patch things up and figure out how to be a happy couple.

Not likely.

This doesn't bode well for them staying together. Johnson seems to be kind of a fireball. I didn't like the way she elbowed Emma Meeseman in the eye last year.

 

[DaddyChoc]

Unfortunately people learn from their environment growing up and many grow up where some issues get resolved physically, and that carries over into their adulthood and their own behavior. Adrian Peterson is a case in point - he treated his child in a manner he learned from his parents - awful, but true - and many people saw nothing wrong with it.

Peterson's situation was weird because the child was about 4 yrs old... what could a 4 yr old do to deserve blood being drawn. I would have to blame those who we're "suppose to be there supervising/babysitting" the child. His excuse was wack, and I grew up in the "go get me a switch" era.

As for BG and GJ... they show pics of the new puppy, engagement rings, wedding invitations and the new Mercedes... so many are shocked about this situation.

 

[DaddyChoc]

That may turn out to be an accurate prediction, but given the high profile cases in the NFL this past season it wouldn't be surprising to see all the other Leagues create special policies as incidents crop up. Here's a chance for the WNBA to step up (Or not). There certainly are thousands of domestic violence situations every day but that doesn't mean it's something to take lightly.

and lets not forget the Holdsclaw shooting situation... not sure if she was in the league or not but her partner (or EX partner) was

 

[UcMiami]

The disturbing the peace charge does not depend on any testimony from anyone but the police - basically it is open and shut because the police were called. They will get a slap on the wrist and probably a fine to cover costs.
The other charges will be dropped I am sure, unless one of the participants chooses to pursue which is very unlikely.

And I would think a fairly minor punishment from the league to both players - a few games suspension.

In most domestic abuse cases the male, or is the cases where children are involved the adult, is physically superior and the woman or child is seen as the victim. In this case with two fairly equally matched athletes I doubt either would claim to be a victim.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

The disturbing the peace charge does not depend on any testimony from anyone but the police - basically it is open and shut because the police were called. They will get a slap on the wrist and probably a fine to cover costs.
The other charges will be dropped I am sure, unless one of the participants chooses to pursue which is very unlikely.

And I would think a fairly minor punishment from the league to both players - a few games suspension.

In most domestic abuse cases the male, or is the cases where children are involved the adult, is physically superior and the woman or child is seen as the victim. In this case with two fairly equally matched athletes I doubt either would claim to be a victim.

One does not need to be physically weaker to be a "victim" or physically stronger to be the "instigator", though it is typical. Unfortunately, domestic abuse is way too common.

 

[Icebear]

Good question. Of course there isn't really a precedent, as there aren't currently any NFL players engaged to each other (As far as we know)

The gender of those involved is irrelevant. Domestic violence is domestic violence.

 

[Icebear]

The only evidence is the testimony of the two who got arrested along with the relative who reportedly called the police. If none of them is willing to testify the prosecutor has little chance of winning a conviction against anyone.

I've know several officers and they have told me most of these incidents involve either money or infidelity and usually are alcohol related. The officers I know found these calls to be the most dangerous for them due to the extreme emotions at play. My guess is that both will go into counselling and in a few months will have the charges dropped or will plead to disturbing the peace at worst.

I wonder if Glory was showing Britany how to attack a face with an elbow instead of a fist and things just out of control.

This is no longer true in some states, especially, when there is physical evidence of injuries and other physical evidence at the site of the altercation.

 

[JavaMan]

Brittney Griner incident could shed light on long-taboo subject of same-sex domestic violence.

When all is pled and done, this could turn out to be the greatest assist of Brittney Griner's career.

Reports on Thursday that the Mercury star and her fiancée were arrested on suspicion of assault and disorderly conduct shed light on an issue that has been ignored by sports leagues, avoided by media and mocked by fans: same-sex domestic violence.

This period of hyper-sensitivity toward abuse issues is a good thing. It might not feel that way to Griner and her partner, Glory Johnson of the Tulsa Shock, but the long, Title IX-fueled journey for equal opportunity must also include equal coverage of tough storylines.

Their story is not unique. In 2012, former WNBA standout Chamique Holdsclaw was arrested after taking a bat to her ex-girlfriend's car and firing a handgun into it. She pled guilty to aggravated assault and later revealed she suffered from bipolar disorder.

It's a real concern. A 2014 survey by the National Violence Against Women Prevention Research Center found that 21.5 percent of men and 35.4 percent of women living with same-sex partners experienced intimate-partner physical violence in their lifetimes, numbers significantly higher than opposite-sex relationships.

[LINK] to full article

 

[Icebear]

Brittney Griner incident could shed light on long-taboo subject of same-sex domestic violence.

When all is pled and done, this could turn out to be the greatest assist of Brittney Griner's career.

Reports on Thursday that the Mercury star and her fiancée were arrested on suspicion of assault and disorderly conduct shed light on an issue that has been ignored by sports leagues, avoided by media and mocked by fans: same-sex domestic violence.

This period of hyper-sensitivity toward abuse issues is a good thing. It might not feel that way to Griner and her partner, Glory Johnson of the Tulsa Shock, but the long, Title IX-fueled journey for equal opportunity must also include equal coverage of tough storylines.

Their story is not unique. In 2012, former WNBA standout Chamique Holdsclaw was arrested after taking a bat to her ex-girlfriend's car and firing a handgun into it. She pled guilty to aggravated assault and later revealed she suffered from bipolar disorder.

It's a real concern. A 2014 survey by the National Violence Against Women Prevention Research Center found that 21.5 percent of men and 35.4 percent of women living with same-sex partners experienced intimate-partner physical violence in their lifetimes, numbers significantly higher than opposite-sex relationships.

[LINK] to full article

Gender should be irrelevant. Whether intrasex relationships or intersex relationships the laws against abuse should be blind except to the acts of abuse and violence involved.

 

[CL82]

The Holdsclaw incident was pretty freaky didn't she try to light on it fire or something as well? That may more of a mental illness kind of a thing.

When I heard this I poopahed it as scufflebut it sounds like it was a real knock down drag out brawl:

Griner told police that she and Johnson had been arguing every day and got into each other's faces Wednesday afternoon in the home they had bought two days earlier after Johnson said Griner "disrespected" her, according to a police report.
Johnson told police Griner had gotten too close, so she pushed her back to get some separation and began talking to her sister, Judy Johnson, when she was pushed in the back of the head by Griner. Glory Johnson turned around and the physical altercation began, with both fighting on the floor for 4 to 6 minutes. The entire episode lasted about 20 minutes, according to the report.

Griner had a laceration on her right wrist and a tooth mark on the middle finger of her right hand after it ended up in Johnson's mouth, according to the police report. Johnson, who plays for the Tulsa Shock, had a cut on her lip and Julio Trejo, a friend of Griner's, had a cut on his neck after trying to break up the fight. All three declined medical attention. Griner also said she broke a dog bowl after throwing it against a wall during the argument.
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Wow.

 

[NewCorn]

Wasn't this a private matter on private property?

You mean like when a man beats his wife?

 

[NewCorn]

Griner is one of the star attractions in the WNBA. I can't imagine the league suspending
her for the season over something like this. I would be surprised if she and Johnson are
suspended even for one game.

That result would send a bad message. The WNBA could expect future incidents, and its image might be badly damaged.

 

[NewCorn]

As I have said, certainly some league punishment is in order. I'm not trying to minimize the incident, but what exactly are we as society trying to do? I would assume sending a message that physical fighting between couples of any sort is a no-no.

But, if one was an NBA male and one a WNBA female, and the NBA male ends up doing more damage on the female than vice versa - punish them equally? Or take the societal view that its always the man's fault for striking the woman and only punish the male? Or what, exactly?

I just think you can punish those involved and show an incident as unacceptable to the rest of the world without raising it to the level of, for want of a better term, a federal case. If no police had been called, by family no less, we wouldn't even know about it.

Most often in domestic cases, when no police are called, and the public does not learn of it, the violence is repeated over and over until a serious injury or even a tragedy occurs.

 

[j66kicker]

In most domestic abuse cases the male, or is the cases where children are involved the adult, is physically superior and the woman or child is seen as the victim. In this case with two fairly equally matched athletes I doubt either would claim to be a victim.

Agree this isn't like the Ray Rice thing - large, elite NFL football player pounding a much smaller, defenseless female. But I don't think they're "equally matched" either. Somewhere in between maybe. I've been up close with BG - she's scary big. I think you put them in the cage and she comes out on top 10 out of 10 times.

 

[j66kicker]

If they don't patch things up and part ways I am going to be at the first Tulsa vs Phoenix game. That would make for interesting drama.

Tulsa @ PHX July 2 & Aug 4.
PHX @ Tulsa Aug 18 & Sept 13.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

I follow WBB in part because the incidence of this stuff is far less frequent than in MBB in addition to it being more like the basketball I grew up with. This, too, will pass. Still, there will always be those "fans" who seem to take perverse delight in these incidents and take the occasion to let the worst of their misogynistic proclivities to come rolling out. This thread has done considerably better than that found at the VolNation. Trust me, you don't want to look. Haters going to hate.

 

[UcMiami]

Yeah RMTB2 - your warning came too late. To be fair - a good portion of the posters were equally offended as I was.

 

[UcMiami]

The Baylor site is much better by the way - a few 'comments' but nothing as bad as that other place. There is a study quoted by Javaman above that is interesting, but ... I think there are some mitigating factors when looking at this as LGBT vs, hetero:

1. For most of human history all societies have marginalized if not outright persecuted LGBT people and relationships. This adds a level of stress to those relationships, and prevents some normal avenues of help in dealing with that stress and the relationship itself. You would likely find the same disparities in people living below the poverty line, ghetto communities, native american, and other 'marginalized' segments of society.

2. In most heterosexual relationships the male is typically physically much stronger. In situations where fights might occur and get physical, the weaker person is not going to be aggressive and is going to strive to calm the situation rather than getting whacked. In LGBT relationships the physical strength is much more likely to be relatively equal, and therefore neither party is as likely to cower away from a physical confrontation.

 

[triaddukefan]

If they don't patch things up and part ways I am going to be at the first Tulsa vs Phoenix game. That would make for interesting drama.

 

[ed4ourgirls]

I'm curious about terminology. What qualifies as "domestic abuse/violence"?
I assume it's being termed "domestic" because they were engaged or perhaps
because it occurred in a home.

If they were merely intimate friends who got into a violent argument in a bar, I assume
that would be called something else?

 

[UcMiami]

I'm curious about terminology. What qualifies as "domestic abuse/violence"?
I assume it's being termed "domestic" because they were engaged or perhaps
because it occurred in a home.

If they were merely intimate friends who got into a violent argument in a bar, I assume
that would be called something else?

yup - domestic refers to a family unit however that is configured and whether bound together by marriage or not. It does not actually have to occur in the home - though usually it does. The other is usually referred to as a barroom brawl

 

[ChrisSmith]

As I have said, certainly some league punishment is in order. I'm not trying to minimize the incident, but what exactly are we as society trying to do? I would assume sending a message that physical fighting between couples of any sort is a no-no.

But, if one was an NBA male and one a WNBA female, and the NBA male ends up doing more damage on the female than vice versa - punish them equally? Or take the societal view that its always the man's fault for striking the woman and only punish the male? Or what, exactly?

I just think you can punish those involved and show an incident as unacceptable to the rest of the world without raising it to the level of, for want of a better term, a federal case. If no police had been called, by family no less, we wouldn't even know about it.

I think you punish them based on their actions, not on the consequences. If the WNBA player was the aggressor, even if the WNBA player was hurt worse, the WNBA player should be punished more severely.

 

[easttexastrash]

The Baylor site is much better by the way - a few 'comments' but nothing as bad as that other place. There is a study quoted by Javaman above that is interesting, but ... I think there are some mitigating factors when looking at this as LGBT vs, hetero:

1. For most of human history all societies have marginalized if not outright persecuted LGBT people and relationships. This adds a level of stress to those relationships, and prevents some normal avenues of help in dealing with that stress and the relationship itself. You would likely find the same disparities in people living below the poverty line, ghetto communities, native american, and other 'marginalized' segments of society.

2. In most heterosexual relationships the male is typically physically much stronger. In situations where fights might occur and get physical, the weaker person is not going to be aggressive and is going to strive to calm the situation rather than getting whacked. In LGBT relationships the physical strength is much more likely to be relatively equal, and therefore neither party is as likely to cower away from a physical confrontation.

Great post! Sad to say, but being part of the LGBT community, I have to say that I am guilty of looking at this incident as just a fight and I don't put it in the category of domestic violence, which I typically think of as one person being an aggressor and the other person being a victim. In this situation both parties were apparently at their breaking point and it was just a fight.

 

[UcMiami]

Great post! Sad to say, but being part of the LGBT community, I have to say that I am guilty of looking at this incident as just a fight and I don't put it in the category of domestic violence, which I typically think of as one person being an aggressor and the other person being a victim. In this situation both parties were apparently at their breaking point and it was just a fight.

We are only a little removed from our 'wild west' days and too many people still see physical confrontation as a viable way to resolve issues. Sometimes we recognize it for 'bullying', other times as 'domestic violence', but too often it is just labeled as 'boys being boys' or 'just a fight' ' or 'justified reaction to ____', or an 'unfortunate tipping point' or 'too much alcohol'.

Violence is just bad and unfortunately the fact these too reached this point in what has been apparently a very important relationship for them both is not a good omen for either, nor for their current relationship. It was 'just a fight' but it was physical and it was between domestic partners. If one had been 'weaker' it might actually have been less violent, quickly over, and never brought to public light. But then one of them would have the bruises, and over time likely had bruises on top of bruises in a more classic cycle of abuse.

 

[MuchoDogYears]

Taking the superstar money comes with some responsibility.

100K isn't "superstar" money. just ask my wife, she'll be glad to tell you.

 

[msf22b]

We are only a little removed from our 'wild west' days
.

I'm not so sure, with all the guns around
Seems we've regressed more than a bit.

My brother-in -law is here for an extentded a visit, his first time in the states.
And I'm giving him lessons in sedate driving; never upset the crazeies
And above all…West of the Mississippi, don't even look at someone with any emotion other than joy and satisfation.
(until you get to California).