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YahooForde 10:12pm via Twitter Web Client
Breaking down 7 schools that are dreaming of crashing the Big 12 -- while Texas is actively killing their dreams\
If Big 12 expands, which schools are the best options?

Less scathing than others... (Ouch Memphis)

>>CONNECTICUT

Academic Ranking: T-57th
Football Ranking: 91st
Stadium Size: 40,642
Basketball Ranking: 25th
TV Market: 30th (Hartford)
Distance from Campus to Big 12 HQ: 1,708 miles

Selling Points: Highest academic ranking of the seven schools listed here. If the Big 12 wants a toehold in the greater New York area – something the Big Ten and ACC both have sought – UConn presents the best available option. Basketball power, in both men’s and (especially) women’s hoops. Made a play for ACC membership, so they know the realignment readiness drill. Football coach Bob Diaco appears to have that program up off the deck after disastrous Paul Pasqualoni tenure. Residing in ESPN’s backyard is not a bad thing.

Problems: Might as well be on the moon. Provides no fit, further exacerbates the league’s travel issues, doesn’t open up enticing recruiting turf, and any inference of a New York impact is a stretch. Good luck convincing Texas that it should embrace playing a November football game in the northeast. Is the league markedly improved with UConn, or just bigger?<<
 
huskymedic said:
YahooForde 10:12pm via Twitter Web Client
Breaking down 7 schools that are dreaming of crashing the Big 12 -- while Texas is actively killing their dreams\
If Big 12 expands, which schools are the best options?

Less scathing than others... (Ouch Memphis)

>>CONNECTICUT

Academic Ranking: T-57th
Football Ranking: 91st
Stadium Size: 40,642
Basketball Ranking: 25th
TV Market: 30th (Hartford)
Distance from Campus to Big 12 HQ: 1,708 miles

Selling Points: Highest academic ranking of the seven schools listed here. If the Big 12 wants a toehold in the greater New York area – something the Big Ten and ACC both have sought – UConn presents the best available option. Basketball power, in both men’s and (especially) women’s hoops. Made a play for ACC membership, so they know the realignment readiness drill. Football coach Bob Diaco appears to have that program up off the deck after disastrous Paul Pasqualoni tenure. Residing in ESPN’s backyard is not a bad thing.

Problems: Might as well be on the moon. Provides no fit, further exacerbates the league’s travel issues, doesn’t open up enticing recruiting turf, and any inference of a New York impact is a stretch. Good luck convincing Texas that it should embrace playing a November football game in the northeast. Is the league markedly improved with UConn, or just bigger?<<
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RE: Texas playing in CT in November, it will never happen. In the old days of the Big East Miami never played north of Virginia in November. It wasn't a coincidence then and it sure won't be a coincidence in the future if we find ourselves in a conference with Texas.
 
NYUConn said:
RE: Texas playing in CT in November, it will never happen. In the old days of the Big East Miami never played north of Virginia in November. It wasn't a coincidence then and it sure won't be a coincidence in the future if we find ourselves in a conference with Texas.
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I like how every negative opinion has every Big 12 school playing football here in the snow. We sure are going to have a lot of home games in December. In a 14 team league with east and west divisions we would likely see Texas play here once every 5 years or so.
 
I always seem to forget what an absolute dumpster fire Memphis is academically even compared to the other garbage cans in contention.

If it's 4 it should be UConn, Cincinnati, BYU, and Colorado State. Directional Florida are 4th and 5th in their state and are near no one else in the league. TX schools don't need Houston. And My God...Memphis is really not in the top 200?
 
Wondered how long it would take till they corrected the title of the article -- there were 8 teams listed.
 
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ASweet3781 said:
I always seem to forget what an absolute dumpster fire Memphis is academically even compared to the other garbage cans in contention.

If it's 4 it should be UConn, Cincinnati, BYU, and Colorado State. Directional Florida are 4th and 5th in their state and are near no one else in the league. TX schools don't need Houston. And My God...Memphis is really not in the top 200?
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If we take up a collection, could we pay you to change your avatar? Not sure why you have it. All this CR crap makes me ill and his picture makes it worse.
 
huskymedic said:
YahooForde 10:12pm via Twitter Web Client
Breaking down 7 schools that are dreaming of crashing the Big 12 -- while Texas is actively killing their dreams\
If Big 12 expands, which schools are the best options?

Less scathing than others... (Ouch Memphis)

>>CONNECTICUT

Academic Ranking: T-57th
Football Ranking: 91st
Stadium Size: 40,642
Basketball Ranking: 25th
TV Market: 30th (Hartford)
Distance from Campus to Big 12 HQ: 1,708 miles

Selling Points: Highest academic ranking of the seven schools listed here. If the Big 12 wants a toehold in the greater New York area – something the Big Ten and ACC both have sought – UConn presents the best available option. Basketball power, in both men’s and (especially) women’s hoops. Made a play for ACC membership, so they know the realignment readiness drill. Football coach Bob Diaco appears to have that program up off the deck after disastrous Paul Pasqualoni tenure. Residing in ESPN’s backyard is not a bad thing.

Problems: Might as well be on the moon. Provides no fit, further exacerbates the league’s travel issues, doesn’t open up enticing recruiting turf, and any inference of a New York impact is a stretch. Good luck convincing Texas that it should embrace playing a November football game in the northeast. Is the league markedly improved with UConn, or just bigger?<<
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Yeah, being in ESPN's backyard has been a tremendous help already...(Sarcasm)
 
Uhhhh but is our basketball program overall ranked 25th by some idiot or is that just where our final ranking was last year?
 
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NYUConn said:
RE: Texas playing in CT in November, it will never happen. In the old days of the Big East Miami never played north of Virginia in November. It wasn't a coincidence then and it sure won't be a coincidence in the future if we find ourselves in a conference with Texas.
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He is right. It won't happen because they will be playing Texas at Met Life in late Sept. While we are at it, let's throw in a joint satellite camp at Don Bosco Prep in July. For anyone who thinks not having a NYC presence matters, watch how quickly after adding UConn they announce the Big12 basketball tournament i being held at MSG or Barclays. A semifinal Sat of UConn, Kansas, WvU, and Texas will be nothing like that conference has ever experienced.
 
New York presence is determined by eyeballs, and UConn does better than anyone when it comes to NYC and eyeballs. I'd say UConn is on par with Syracuse in that regard, but the ratings for UConn women's BB in NYC are pretty high. That gives UConn the edge.
 
huskymedic said:
YahooForde 10:12pm via Twitter Web Client
Breaking down 7 schools that are dreaming of crashing the Big 12 -- while Texas is actively killing their dreams\
If Big 12 expands, which schools are the best options?

Less scathing than others... (Ouch Memphis)

>>CONNECTICUT

Academic Ranking: T-57th
Football Ranking: 91st
Stadium Size: 40,642
Basketball Ranking: 25th
TV Market: 30th (Hartford)
Distance from Campus to Big 12 HQ: 1,708 miles

Selling Points: Highest academic ranking of the seven schools listed here. If the Big 12 wants a toehold in the greater New York area – something the Big Ten and ACC both have sought – UConn presents the best available option. Basketball power, in both men’s and (especially) women’s hoops. Made a play for ACC membership, so they know the realignment readiness drill. Football coach Bob Diaco appears to have that program up off the deck after disastrous Paul Pasqualoni tenure. Residing in ESPN’s backyard is not a bad thing.

Problems: Might as well be on the moon. Provides no fit, further exacerbates the league’s travel issues, doesn’t open up enticing recruiting turf, and any inference of a New York impact is a stretch. Good luck convincing Texas that it should embrace playing a November football game in the northeast. Is the league markedly improved with UConn, or just bigger?<<
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Basketball 25th? The team that won almost a quarter of the men's national championships recently and over half of the women's? More like around 5th.
 
DiacosArmy said:
Uhhhh but is our basketball program overall ranked 25th by some idiot or is that just where our final ranking was last year?
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HuskyHawk said:
Basketball 25th? The team that won almost a quarter of the men's national championships recently and over half of the women's? More like around 5th.
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From the article: "(Academic rankings are via News & World Report; football and basketball rankings are from Sagarin. All rankings are from 2015.)"
 
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huskymedic said:
From the article: "(Academic rankings are via News & World Report; football and basketball rankings are from Sagarin. All rankings are from 2015.)"
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Well that's a pretty stupid way of looking at it. A single year? It's unfair to UCF as well.
 
Quote that most stood out to me from the Memphis commentary was "basketball following is irrelevant". We really need to bump up our football following/attendance this year to make a statement to the XII that we have all sports following fans and not just basketball fans
 
djct1999 said:
He is right. It won't happen because they will be playing Texas at Met Life in late Sept. While we are at it, let's throw in a joint satellite camp at Don Bosco Prep in July. For anyone who thinks not having a NYC presence matters, watch how quickly after adding UConn they announce the Big12 basketball tournament i being held at MSG or Barclays. A semifinal Sat of UConn, Kansas, WvU, and Texas will be nothing like that conference has ever experienced.
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I could see Texas wanting to play at Metlife, but I highly doubt it would be a requirement for conference membership. No reason to give up a home game against one of the two marquee opponents in conference when attendance has been an issue over the last few years. Texas is the type of game that excites fans and sells season tickets. Let Texas schedule a "home" game at Metlife like ND did in Fenway against BC or Indiana did at Fed Ex against PSU a few years back.

As for your Satellite Camp in NJ, The Horns don't need it. They could recruit 25 4-5 Star Players without leaving the state under the right coach(Hint not Charlie Strong). This is not a bad idea to work on with schools like ISU, WVU, and The Kansas Twins who lack natural recruiting grounds. I'm sure some other local programs FBS and FCS alike would jump on board as well. While I don't see a chance in hell that they move the Conference Bball Tournament, I could see something preseason played there with good success.
 
huskymedic said:
YahooForde 10:12pm via Twitter Web Client
Breaking down 7 schools that are dreaming of crashing the Big 12 -- while Texas is actively killing their dreams\
If Big 12 expands, which schools are the best options?

Less scathing than others... (Ouch Memphis)

>>CONNECTICUT

Academic Ranking: T-57th
Football Ranking: 91st
Stadium Size: 40,642
Basketball Ranking: 25th
TV Market: 30th (Hartford)
Distance from Campus to Big 12 HQ: 1,708 miles

Selling Points: Highest academic ranking of the seven schools listed here. If the Big 12 wants a toehold in the greater New York area – something the Big Ten and ACC both have sought – UConn presents the best available option. Basketball power, in both men’s and (especially) women’s hoops. Made a play for ACC membership, so they know the realignment readiness drill. Football coach Bob Diaco appears to have that program up off the deck after disastrous Paul Pasqualoni tenure. Residing in ESPN’s backyard is not a bad thing.

Problems: Might as well be on the moon. Provides no fit, further exacerbates the league’s travel issues, doesn’t open up enticing recruiting turf, and any inference of a New York impact is a stretch. Good luck convincing Texas that it should embrace playing a November football game in the northeast. Is the league markedly improved with UConn, or just bigger?<<
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GeorgeSchroeder 7:53pm via TweetDeck
Boren: “We want to make sure expansion candidates “are not dilutive” to the Big 12 athletically, academically, fan base, media markets, etc.
 
NYUConn said:
. In the old days of the Big East Miami never played north of Virginia in November. .
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So much misinformation is posted on here that its startling sometimes

Miami played football " north of Virginia in November " almost every season that it was a member of the Big East ( '91-2003) as a matter of fact.
11/23/91.... at BC
11/21/92......at Syracuse ( granted, in a Dome )
11/6/93........at Pitt
11/5/94........at Syracuse
11/19/94......at Temple
11/11/95..... at BC
11/2/96.......at Temple
11/30/96......at Syracuse
11/14/98......at Temple
11/28/98......at Syracuse
11/6/99........at Pitt
11/18/ 2000...at Syracuse
11/10/2001....at BC
11/2/2002......at Rutgers
11/30/2002...at Syracuse
11/29/2003....at Pitt
 
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Yawkey Way said:
So much misinformation is posted on here that its startling sometimes

Miami played football " north of Virginia in November " almost every season that it was a member of the Big East ( '91-2003) as a matter of fact.
11/23/91.... at BC
11/21/92.at Syracuse ( granted, in a Dome )
11/6/93...at Pitt
11/5/94...at Syracuse
11/19/94.at Temple
11/11/95..... at BC
11/2/96..at Temple
11/30/96.at Syracuse
11/14/98.at Temple
11/28/98.at Syracuse
11/6/99...at Pitt
11/18/ 2000...at Syracuse
11/10/2001....at BC
11/2/2002.at Rutgers
11/30/2002...at Syracuse
11/29/2003....at Pitt
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You're right I misremembered the stat.

But my point is relevant. In the 13 seasons Miami was in the Big Eastbthey only played a non-dome game in the North 3 times after the second weekend in November.

Funny how when it got cold the Canes final conference away games always seemed to end up in the Carrier Dome.
 
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Drew said:
Quote that most stood out to me from the Memphis commentary was "basketball following is irrelevant". We really need to bump up our football following/attendance this year to make a statement to the XII that we have all sports following fans and not just basketball fans
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Jim Penders was on with Dibble today and went out of his way to make a statement regarding getting more fans back to the Rent.
 
Drew said:
Quote that most stood out to me from the Memphis commentary was "basketball following is irrelevant". We really need to bump up our football following/attendance this year to make a statement to the XII that we have all sports following fans and not just basketball fans
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But that is nothing but ignorance on the part of the writer. Many of them believe this and it is complete nonsense. NCAA credits matter, they can provide significant revenue to the league. Basketball does matter in T1 rights contract as well, just less than football. Lastly, basketball matters a lot to anyone with a network. There is simply never going to be enough football content to fill even 1/10th of a network. These sportswriters took the simply truth that football is the sport most easily monetized by the conference and have assumed that nothing else matters.
 
HuskyHawk said:
But that is nothing but ignorance on the part of the writer. Many of them believe this and it is complete nonsense. NCAA credits matter, they can provide significant revenue to the league. Basketball does matter in T1 rights contract as well, just less than football. Lastly, basketball matters a lot to anyone with a network. There is simply never going to be enough football content to fill even 1/10th of a network. These sportswriters took the simply truth that football is the sport most easily monetized by the conference and have assumed that nothing else matters.
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The entire reason for XII expansion is football. Us filling up the stadium makes a big time statement. Nobody available sells out consistently (sans maybe BYU, haven't looked at their attendance #'s but have long football tradition). College football at this level is 100% about arrogance, greed, and ignorance. These guys are basically Goldman Sachs on Wall St and we're the company that started 15 years ago trying to compete with them for business.

If you haven't realized after UConn wound up in the AAC and your Jayhawks were 30 minutes from the Mountain West that basketball is almost entirely irrelevant in conference realignment then I don't know what to tell you at this point. Having a strong athletic department is absolutely a net positive when looking at expansion candidates but I would argue that what were doing academically and our market size is much more important in CR than our basketball program.
 
Drew said:
The entire reason for XII expansion is football. Us filling up the stadium makes a big time statement. Nobody available sells out consistently (sans maybe BYU, haven't looked at their attendance #'s but have long football tradition). College football at this level is 100% about arrogance, greed, and ignorance. These guys are basically Goldman Sachs on Wall St and we're the company that started 15 years ago trying to compete with them for business.

If you haven't realized after UConn wound up in the AAC and your Jayhawks were 30 minutes from the Mountain West that basketball is almost entirely irrelevant in conference realignment then I don't know what to tell you at this point. Having a strong athletic department is absolutely a net positive when looking at expansion candidates but I would argue that what were doing academically and our market size is much more important in CR than our basketball program.
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You could have saved yourself two paragraphs with one word. Rutgers.
 
Ldandy said:
You could have saved yourself two paragraphs with one word. Rutgers.
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Here are others. Maryland. Indiana. Kentucky. Kansas. Vanderbilt. Duke..... "It's all about football" is the biggest myth out there. It's all about money. Football is the sport where the greatest percentage of the total revenue flows to the conferences and schools. Attendance for example, is a key ingredient to football revenue. NCAA basketball brings in just as much money, but it is spread over a wider number of schools, and a big chunk of it is locked up by the NCAA in the tournament. The result is that basketball is harder for the conference to benefit from. NCAA credits are an exception however. I'd tend to say that a mediocre basketball team doesn't bring much. But one that earns quite a lot of credits and brings TV ratings? That has far more value than these talking heads know.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Here are others. Maryland. Indiana. Kentucky. Kansas. Vanderbilt. Duke..... "It's all about football" is the biggest myth out there. It's all about money.
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This is 100% accurate- I am making the point however that XII expansion is almost entirely football based. The reason this whole topic even started is because they were left out of the playoff 2 years ago and there is data to show they have an improved chance to make the playoff with 2 more teams (duh). Then all this talk of a network and everything else came in but honestly I don't see a XII network happening no matter who they add. If the Big 12 expands it will be primarily football based and we stack up just as good as any of the options out there when you compare the football metrics. Plus if they stage a championship game they get another $30m for the conference.

Expansion criteria this go round for the XII is much different from when the B1G added Rutgers/Maryland and the SEC added Mizzou/A&M. And you can point out schools like Indiana Kentucky and Kansas but all of those schools were fortunate enough to be in the P5 already and not have to try to earn their way in. If you're taking the top 65 schools today and putting them in a conference obviously small private schools in redundant markets aren't getting in.
 
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