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Yes. A big risk. But then again, what else do they have to do with their lives? Burn crosses?
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Yes. A big risk. But then again, what else do they have to do with their lives? Burn crosses?
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Todd is definitely desirous of being in the Meth cooking business due to his desire for Lydia. So he can impress Lydia and improve his cooks by using Jesse. Todd's uncle Jack could probably take (greed, Czech money) or leave (risk) the Meth business but will stay in it at Todd's wishes.
So no need to make Walt cook on two levels and third level of not wanting a pissed off criminal mastermind in their midst also makes sense. Basically Jack told Walt to get out of Dodge or else so if the Neo-Meth-Nazis see Walt again Walt goes the way of Gomie & Hank.
I agree that the Neo-Meth-Nazis have to come for confession tapes from Marie, but its possible they leave Skylar alone as hurting her could allow Walt to sing and he's really the only one that has the goods on them.
That's my one quibble with last week's episode is much like Jack couldn't let Hank live he really couldn't let Walt live either. Once Walt is disappeared he can drop a dime and tattle on the Nazis out of spite. If Skylar & Co. had left with him, Walt almost definitely does that.
Minor quibble is the Neo Nazis might have reasonably worried that someone else (Skylar or Hank's phone call) knew where they were so why not dig a new hole without publicized GPS coordinates to bury Hank & Gomie. Point is I guess the Neo-Meth-Nazis have made enough mistakes already and hopefully are going to die.
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I'm not going to watch the last episode. No way it matches the scenarios in this thread. If Walt, and Jesse, for that matter, aren't the two best TV drama characters ever, they certainly are no worse than tied for first.
I'm still not quite sold on the Saul spin-off. It will be interesting to see if a compelling series can be built around him.
I'm still not quite sold on the Saul spin-off. It will be interesting to see if a compelling series can be built around him.
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Todd's respect and even adherence to Walt is interesting, he's always wanted to impress him. Gilligan forshadowed the stark difference between Todd and Jesse during the heist episodes... All that crying from jesse. One thing I'm unclear on is the progression of WW's cancer, but I guess that's a big topic next week.
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Unfortunately that's part of all the bad that's happening to Jesse, he's a better character and more interesting to watch. But certainly they've set up Todd's fetish behavior (saving the spider, Lydia crush) to some outcome as BBad never wastes a scene.
Its too bad that Todd and his uncles aren't more interesting though. Gus Fring was just a phenomenal character, Mike Ehmentrout maybe even better and the Mexican henchman brothers were perfectly horrifying. Walt & Hank already took out the A teams and these characters that filled the void (Todd < Mike, Uncle Jack < Brothers, Lydia < Gus) are C's in comparison, just more one dimensional (except maybe Lydia, but still she is no Gus Fring).
I don't think Walt's cancer matters. Narratively it was only a disposable reason for him to rebel against the world and his own choices. Walt is alive 6 months ish from Ozzymandias so its unlikely that the cancer kills him. In the end Walt either dies (95%) or is incarcerated (4.9%) or exists in some living hell .1%. They aren't going to show the cancer slowly eat away at him as he's already eaten away at 99.9% of his humanity by his own actions.
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Very small nitpick: If I recall correctly there were 6 barrels with approximately $80 million in them, in which case Walt's one barrel would contain ~$13.33 million. (I'm assuming all the barrels had roughly the same amount of cash in them.) I know Nazi #2 guessed "$10 or $11 million," but still.
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RE: Confession Tapes - This is a good guess, that Marie will be brought even lower and we have every reason to suspect the Nazis are coming for that tape. And now it occurs to me, that they might find another confession tape in the Schraeder household, and what will they make of the Confession of Walter White. And if the Nazis don't find it, then maybe Skylar might use it after Marie is whacked, to restore her family and bring Walt back home without fear of being arrested. If so, poor Hank('s memory)! Walt's "confession" to Skylar at the end of the episode with the cops on the line certainly opened the door for Skylar to accept him back again someday. But in any event, that false confession tape is coming back.
RE: Uncle Jack's Puzzling Decision Making - I agree completely with your quibbles and feel the same way. As insouciant as the Nazis are, no way are they dilly-dallying with 2 federal agents down and God knows what back-up coming or what the home office knows.
It was pretty sad to see Jesse, in the flashback that started the episode, jumping around in the background and playing make believe like a little kid (perhaps indulging the same interest in Cartoon superheroes that Jane would encourage not too long afterward in the narrative timeline) while Walt uttered his first "White lie" to Skylar about Bogdan in the foreground.
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Interesting point about Skylar possibly clearing Walt's name or accepting him. But I think no way on the latter as Skylar wanted to blow up Heisenberg from the get-go but continually chickened out and then got sucked in deeper and deeper. I think there is no plausible way she goes back into that hell even if Walt promises he's clean. But I acknowledge you can never say never with this show and somehow they always surprise you with what's coming.
Todd really needs to visit Marie by the way because Jesse's confession specifically discussed Drew Sharp and that killing = Todd knows its on tape somewhere that he murdered Drew Sharp and with the cops crawling all over Skylar and Marie it is going to be exceptionally difficult to retrieve. I guess though with the only eyewitnesses Walt & Jesse 'gone' the ABQ cops/DA wouldn't have much of a case. Arguably enough for a search warrant though = Todd really should have gotten on that immediately after the Jesse torture.
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I believe that Wharton nailed it that Walt's speech was solely to absolve (at least in the eyes of the police) Skyler.
Todd plays a huge role in Walt returning and it will be due to something severe that Todd did to someone.
My guess (by the way Jesse said "I told you where to find the tape, you got everything you need from me" that there had been enough time between Jesse giving the information and Todd bringing him to the lab for Jesse (and the audience) to believe the neo-nazis have the tape. I also think (with this no longer being necessary now that they have Walt's cash) that Uncle Jack is letting Todd continue with meth cooking as a hobby, as a show of gratitude for all of the good fortune that Todd has brought his way.
Todd plays a huge role in Walt returning and it will be due to something severe that Todd did to someone.
My guess (by the way Jesse said "I told you where to find the tape, you got everything you need from me" that there had been enough time between Jesse giving the information and Todd bringing him to the lab for Jesse (and the audience) to believe the neo-nazis have the tape. I also think (with this no longer being necessary now that they have Walt's cash) that Uncle Jack is letting Todd continue with meth cooking as a hobby, as a show of gratitude for all of the good fortune that Todd has brought his way.
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They showed up because they needed walt for the cook and couldnt take the chance of having him killed because they had a lot of money riding on walt cooking. When jack got there and saw what was going on he put two and two together but it was walt that told him it was money and jack was clearly surprised by that revelation.
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Maybe, but they'll have to show the Schraeder house ransacked to prove that and it was VERY risky (if Jack hit Hank's place). The Neo-Meth-Nazi's didn't know the police were crawling all over WWhite's house (or that they were distracted in looking for the baby) but they'd certainly want to take exceptional care in breaking into a dead DEA agent's home. I just don't think that's happened yet.
Another aspect is the Neo-Meth-Nazis are going to know what happened at the White house as presumably its in the press (hence the future vandalism at the White house). Amber alert = press = Former chemistry teacher accused of Meth dealing. This is certainly going to give them pause about continuing to cook. Eliminating Jesse's tape becomes more vital AND finding out what Skylar, "Flynn" and Marie know of pretty big import. I think the Neo-Meth-Nazis are coming for all of them.
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One thing I felt was an absolute earlier on is that Walt's return is due in part to his cancer returning and as his true identity would be discovered if he did undergo treatment, his days were numbered, giving him little to lose if he risked his life to take out someone else.
A very important loose end (and all loose ends in this series are there for a reason) is that Walt's car was abandoned and was leaking gas from where Hank and Gomey were buried (unless the nazis moved them) to where the car died.
One of Walt's immediate family will very likely become collateral damage, there is absolutely no getting around that if the show continues to form. It is also very likely that the nazis will end up getting theirs as all who warrant punishment end up getting punished in this show.
One great irony (and there have been a ton of them) is that Jesse is now a slave (cooking meth). If he could have just behaved himself when they began cooking for Gus (while being exceptionally well paid), the chain of events that ed to Walt killing Gus never would have been set in motion.
A very important loose end (and all loose ends in this series are there for a reason) is that Walt's car was abandoned and was leaking gas from where Hank and Gomey were buried (unless the nazis moved them) to where the car died.
One of Walt's immediate family will very likely become collateral damage, there is absolutely no getting around that if the show continues to form. It is also very likely that the nazis will end up getting theirs as all who warrant punishment end up getting punished in this show.
One great irony (and there have been a ton of them) is that Jesse is now a slave (cooking meth). If he could have just behaved himself when they began cooking for Gus (while being exceptionally well paid), the chain of events that ed to Walt killing Gus never would have been set in motion.
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They showed Walt driving the car on the road, so he could have gotten pretty far from To'haiijilah. Its possible they could do a cell phone trace and they didn't show any cleanup beyond removing the truck so police discovery on their own is possible and the coordinates make the grave ultimately discoverable. But Walt only gives those over if/when Marie+Skylar+Flynn+Holly are out of ABQ. I guess there it is kind of mutually assured destruction (Walt could simply call Todd and say don't harm my family and I won't give the police the coordinates etc..).
Interesting yes I forgot that Jesse's rebellion against the child meth dealers is what began the rift between Gus and Walt. Walt refused to allow Jesse to be killed (by Gus and saved his life vs street dealers) and then when Gus had prepped Gale to takeover for both Walt & Jesse, Walt engineered Jesse's actions. True to character that in both of Jesse's major 'fatal' moves (that one 7 ratting on Walt) his conscience and choosing right over wrong gets him in trouble with the morally bankrupt criminals. Then Walt successfully used this against Jesse with Brock. This gives me some hope that Jesse survives and maybe after 6 months of reflection Walt gets it that Jesse was acting on defensible grounds* rather than self interest = worth defending/freeing.
* grounds became even more defendable when he learned of Walt letting Jane die.
The only way for Walt to seek some redemption on his death bed is to do right by Jesse, Drew White, Jane & family & innocent victims of plane crash. Its either that or he stays evil through the end and everyone dies in a hail of bullets ala Scarface.
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Similar to my belief that very shortly before this season ends (one, perhaps two games remaining) P will get canned, very shortly before the end of the final episode (eight to ten minutes left) Walt bites the dust. I see no way they can tie up all loose endsand let Walt live.
One thing about Walt that has led to many of his mistakes is that most of the time his thought process and actions are too cold, calculating, completely unemotional (planning the ten murders to occur over a two minute span, dealing with Jesse & Todd in a businesslike manner after Drew Sharp was killed) but on occasion he allows emotion to control him (pleading for Hank's life, informing Jesse about Jane, driving like a madman to where the money was buried, spilling the beans, while drunk, that Gayle could not have been Heisenberg) which leads to the mistakes he has made. It is almost as if it is a lesson that he cannot allow emotion to influence his actions without becoming mistake prone (in a way, the scientific method applied to life).
When I first saw the abandoned, police taped house with Heisenberg written on one of the walls my thought was that Jesse had written that. Considering his reaction when he did fully realize that what he was told about his father was true, I now think that it may have been Flynn who wrote that but it also is possible that this was a warning from the nazis. I'm curious as to who outside of the DEA, possibly local police and insiders within the drug trade know of Heisenberg. Prior to Hank's death I doubt that this would be public information. With Walt (Heisenberg) on the lamb, I can see reasons why the authorities would keep that alias secret but I can also see reasons why they would publicize it. I believe that it would be better drama if that alias is kept secret from the public throughout.
I think it is very possible that Walt is back to either free or avenge Jesse. It has to have something to do with what Walt views as immediate family and this would be limited to Skyler, Flynn, Holly, Jesse (who he had more of a father/son relationship with than Flynn) and possibly Marie.
You could well be correct about the gasoline leak. I also wonder if they can get some reasonably accurate location of Hank's final phone call to Marie. I see their finding Hank & Gomey as a very strong possibility and I also think it is possible that they match some of the bullets with those that eliminated Declan and his crew (if that didn't demonstrate how bad ass the nazis were nothing could).
The gun Walt bought (which likely could fire off hundreds of bullets at a time) has to be for the nazis. There would be no other reason for such a piece of machinery. There also will be an armageddon in the final episode that will make To'hajiilee look like an afternoon at a gun club.
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That's typically what happens when you're one of the two main characters...
Not sure I understand the Jesse hate. He's one of the more likeable people in a show of evil characters.
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No it isn't typical for two main characters to be the root of every problem in a story...
How is he like able? He shot a guy in cold blood a few seasons ago. That's evil. I wouldn't have had a problem with what he did if he stopped acting like such a little punk b!tch. He's a rat, and a baby. If you don't wanna be a part of the life you and Walt built, take your money and get lost. Don't want the money? Burn it. Just don't freakin draw attention to yourself when you're in the business that you're in. He never thinks about the ramifications of his actions. As a fan of the show, I actually enjoy watching Jesse suffer.
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I thought it was pretty clear since we saw the skateboarders first that vandals wrote Heisenberg and Walt's secret evil identity was therefore common knowledge. The neighbor's horrified reaction confirmed this.
They kind of blew past the fact that Walter's attempt to exonerate Skylar provided way more info and confession that actually allowed the DEA to piece together the Heisenberg story. Without that and without the fight at home, the White family could have continued to live in anonymity denial even with the disappearance of Hank & Gomie. "My husband had a fight with his brother in law, now they are both gone." This would have meant Walter Jr. & Marie would have to clam up and not tell what they know. But it was possible particularly if Skylar pleaded with Marie against the worst case hell (Walt is gone, they blame Skylar) that Skylar & family incur after Walt flees.
Given the RICO seizing of the house and the stories in the paper its pretty clear that the phone call, Skylar's confessions and Marie's information has allowed the police and DEA to have at least the outline of Walt's operation. They at least know he cooked Meth with Gus Fring and killed Gus Fring. I don't think Skylar knows of any more murders.
Anyway, now he's obviously coming back for the Grey Matter and the Nazi's. I'd guess he'll be surprised to find Jesse alive. So what's unknown is how he tries to harm Grey Matter (presumably he wants/needs to either A. create a public record of his contribution while possibly damaging the company or B. Stop them & the company from profiting from his ideas. In either case some sort of personal reckoning for Elliot and Gretchen also looms. And of course Walt wants to kill the Nazis, stop them from cooking HIS Blue and get his 6 barrels back. I think he'll be surprised to find Jesse alive and one of the biggest dramatic unknowns is how Walt & Jesse's relationship ends. Back on father - son terms now that Walter Jr is forever lost to Walt or is Walt a hardened criminal in such a 'granite state' that no emotion penetrates his cold dark heart.
JaYncYe is quite possibly a sociopath. Jesse is meant to be the only conscience in the show. Yes he repeatedly made his own bed, but he was broken to begin with and his choices are almost always between two evils (ie. Gale 'hit' was either Gale dies or Walt dies). Jesse got Walt in trouble with Gus because Jesse decided to kill the scumbag drug dealers that used a 9yr old kid to kill his friend Combo and then later killed that 9yr old kid - who ended up being Andrea's brother. And even after all that, if Jesse hadn't been manipulated & used by Walt, Gus, Mike & Jesse would still be cooking the blue but hidden in alive Hank's plain sight.
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Jesse is still a murderer and was involved in criminal activity. Under no circumstance is it ok to rat out your accomplices or go bat crazy. Lets replay this season alone: Jesse does drugs, attempts to burn down Walt's house. Gets caught by hank. Jesse agrees to rat out Walt, gets Hank and his partner killed. Tries to escape, clearly after he sees a picture of Andrea and Brock in the lab, which would tip anyone off to not mess with these people. Todd murders Andrea in cold blood in front of Jesse. This all starts to unravel when Jesse starts throwing money away! Walt had Hank dead to rights with that tape. Nothing he or the DEA could do to get to him.
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So what do you do if you find out your partner POISONED your girlfriend's 5yr old son in order to manipulate you? And maybe via your drug use you came to the realization that he murdered a standup guy that treated you pretty fair (Mike). Send him a box of flowers and move to Alaska is not an option.
A. Walt f--d himself up by leaving the book for Hank to find
B. Walt's tape was hardly proof or anything near 'dead to rights', but no doubt it served its purpose to put the fear of god into a clearly compromised Hank
B1. Push come to shove Hank's a lawman and would have gone down himself if necessary to get even a piece of Walt
B2. Hank had the carwash trail of money to go after now that he knew the gambling story was BS, not even Al Capone on taxes but its something
B3. Hank had met Lydia and would have paid her another visit now if Jesse hadn't shown up
B4. Hank would have ultimately gotten to Skinny Pete and Badger who had early dealings with Walt
B5,000,0000. Walt was never getting away with this, that's kind of the point of the show.
I agree though that Jesse up royally by trying to escape given what he knows about Todd. The move was to keep going over the fence until they shot him, arguably human survival instinct/fear kicked in. But on the other side if you put an animal in a cage you cannot blame it for trying to escape. I had hoped Jesse's move was to poison (Walt season 1) or blowup/sabotage the lab and hopefully that still goes down before Knight in shining armor Walt gets there to save the day.
Again now Jesse has lost Combo, Jane & Andrea
Jesse killed a drug dealer and drug cook.
VERSUS
Walt ho has lost only Hank thus far
Walt killed multiple drug dealers and kingpins, Jane, innocents on the plane, Jane's dad, looked right past Drew Sharp's killing, killed Mike, killed all the Gus associates many of whom were simply workers in regular jobs (laundry) paid to keep quiet.
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In no way am I saying Walt isn't at fault for any of this. Walt is the mastermind, but Jesse is the wild card that cant seem to grow up or accept what he is. But killing an innocent man, Jesse crossed the line. He was now one of them. Earned his bones or whatever the term is called. You don't talk to police. If you have a problem with Walt. You take him out permanently.
And you can't go with 'Hank probably would have gone to Skinny Pete or Badger.' There was no mention of Hank mentioning that. Hank was stuck because of that tape to the point where he told Marie that that money she accepted from Walt killed him. He had agents leave Pinkman alone after this tape. He was finished.
And you can't go with 'Hank probably would have gone to Skinny Pete or Badger.' There was no mention of Hank mentioning that. Hank was stuck because of that tape to the point where he told Marie that that money she accepted from Walt killed him. He had agents leave Pinkman alone after this tape. He was finished.
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A) Agreed
B) Answered this one.
B1) Hypotherical.
B2) Hank was also dealing with Walt's confessed tape. Again watch that episode and the fallout afterwards between Hank watching the tape and catching Jesse at Walt's house.
B3) Nothing proves this, again hypothetical.
B4) already addressed this.
B5) maybe not, but Gilligan has broken many rules and traditions in telling this story so anything was possible. He did say he wanted to turn Walter White into scarface and we know what happens to him at the end of that movie.
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It easily could have been the skateboarders but there was nothing (at that point) indicating that any name other than Walter White would have been announced as the drug kingpin.
It also appears that I was correct that the neo-nazis were able to get the tape from Hank's house.
I'm very curious about Todd's biological parents. Uncle Jack seems to be the actual parental figure in his life and the pathology of his admiration of Walt (who seemed overly kind, especially in comparison to his dealings with Jesse earlier in the show, when teaching Todd how to cook meth) and attraction to Lydia can each be attributed to filling some void from missing parents. Todd also seems like the guy who at eight years old set up a feeder, out in the open in his backyard, to attract squirrels (or some other small animal) so that he could shoot them with a BB gun or pellet gun. I doubt that there will be time in the last episode to shed much light on what made Todd the creepy sociopath that he is but that could have been a full episode in itself. One (of the many) weird thing about Todd (and this could well be because it is the only person his age that he as any dealings with) is that it seems he views Jesse as a friend (or as close to being a friend as you can feel towards someone that you have imprisoned).
Jesse's behavior, leading to things screwing up for he and/or Walt began (in series time) well before he found out that Andrea's kid brother killed Combo. All Jesse needed to do was take the $1.5 mm he was going to make from Gus, cooking with Walt for three months and then call it a career. Instead he got so worked up about how Gus' take was so big that it wasn't fair to he and Walt. This led to the series of events that culminated when Jesse had to either kill Gayle or end up (along with Walt) getting killed at Mike & Victor's hands.
Lydia is another whose greed will be her downfall. She had to have made a ton of money and should have been willing to walk away when Walt did. As the DEA (per what was said on television with Gretchen & Elliot) can tie Heisenberg's meth to Europe, how are they not again looking at Madrigal? Her wanting Skyler dead is just going to add her to Walt's list of targets.
I also thought (especially as quickly as he began yelling 'do it' (shoot)) was that Jesse should have just kept climbing. I'm wondering if Jesse knows how to make phosphine (how Walt killed Emilio and disabled Crazy Eight) and if there will be a point where a couple of the neo-nazis (including Todd) will be in the lab with him. This could be Jesse's way out (somewhat similar to Hector's) and also could help even the odds for Walt (who has had many unwittingly help him out over the run of the show).
I'm curious as to how Walt (as he only could have had a few minute, at most perhaps fifteen minute head start) was able to evade the NH police. His hideout is too far away for him to (logically, but with this show you never know) get back to so he'll only have the couple of hundred thousand he stuffed in the Ensure box (as he won't have the opportunity to walk the eight miles to his new home). I'm guessing that near the end, a dying Walt tells Skyler where she can find the rest of the money (as it is possible that his hideout is remote enough that the NH police do not search it).
I see no way that the show can end with Walt fully getting away with everything. The closest to that possibility would be that he neither gets caught nor killed by the end of the show but will be subject to an agonizing death from his cancer (which will obviously be about to finish him off when the series ends). His only remaining vindication will be a) getting at least some of the drug money to Skyler, Flynn & Holly, b) settling the score with Jack & his crew and c) setting the public record straight on Gray Matter. I'm guessing that he will achieve all of these, although it will likely come at some cost (loss of another family member).
It also appears that I was correct that the neo-nazis were able to get the tape from Hank's house.
I'm very curious about Todd's biological parents. Uncle Jack seems to be the actual parental figure in his life and the pathology of his admiration of Walt (who seemed overly kind, especially in comparison to his dealings with Jesse earlier in the show, when teaching Todd how to cook meth) and attraction to Lydia can each be attributed to filling some void from missing parents. Todd also seems like the guy who at eight years old set up a feeder, out in the open in his backyard, to attract squirrels (or some other small animal) so that he could shoot them with a BB gun or pellet gun. I doubt that there will be time in the last episode to shed much light on what made Todd the creepy sociopath that he is but that could have been a full episode in itself. One (of the many) weird thing about Todd (and this could well be because it is the only person his age that he as any dealings with) is that it seems he views Jesse as a friend (or as close to being a friend as you can feel towards someone that you have imprisoned).
Jesse's behavior, leading to things screwing up for he and/or Walt began (in series time) well before he found out that Andrea's kid brother killed Combo. All Jesse needed to do was take the $1.5 mm he was going to make from Gus, cooking with Walt for three months and then call it a career. Instead he got so worked up about how Gus' take was so big that it wasn't fair to he and Walt. This led to the series of events that culminated when Jesse had to either kill Gayle or end up (along with Walt) getting killed at Mike & Victor's hands.
Lydia is another whose greed will be her downfall. She had to have made a ton of money and should have been willing to walk away when Walt did. As the DEA (per what was said on television with Gretchen & Elliot) can tie Heisenberg's meth to Europe, how are they not again looking at Madrigal? Her wanting Skyler dead is just going to add her to Walt's list of targets.
I also thought (especially as quickly as he began yelling 'do it' (shoot)) was that Jesse should have just kept climbing. I'm wondering if Jesse knows how to make phosphine (how Walt killed Emilio and disabled Crazy Eight) and if there will be a point where a couple of the neo-nazis (including Todd) will be in the lab with him. This could be Jesse's way out (somewhat similar to Hector's) and also could help even the odds for Walt (who has had many unwittingly help him out over the run of the show).
I'm curious as to how Walt (as he only could have had a few minute, at most perhaps fifteen minute head start) was able to evade the NH police. His hideout is too far away for him to (logically, but with this show you never know) get back to so he'll only have the couple of hundred thousand he stuffed in the Ensure box (as he won't have the opportunity to walk the eight miles to his new home). I'm guessing that near the end, a dying Walt tells Skyler where she can find the rest of the money (as it is possible that his hideout is remote enough that the NH police do not search it).
I see no way that the show can end with Walt fully getting away with everything. The closest to that possibility would be that he neither gets caught nor killed by the end of the show but will be subject to an agonizing death from his cancer (which will obviously be about to finish him off when the series ends). His only remaining vindication will be a) getting at least some of the drug money to Skyler, Flynn & Holly, b) settling the score with Jack & his crew and c) setting the public record straight on Gray Matter. I'm guessing that he will achieve all of these, although it will likely come at some cost (loss of another family member).
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Great ending. Glad they didn't go the Sopranos or LOST route.
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Why for snitching to Hank? Being a prisoner like that had to make him wish he was dead for sure.
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