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I would say they are comfortably in at this point - as an 11 seed, Pittsburgh, Iowa State, and oddly enough Miami are all behind them. At least according to Creme. Am surprised about Miami - they beat ND after all... Of course, they also have lost 8 of their last 12 games including games to Wake and NC State...

What I don't get is Arkansas. The SEC should only get 6 teams in. Arkansas is 10th in the SEC at 6-10, and 17-13 overall.
 
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I don't think they'll do that to:
Maryland
SC again on a nuetral court
ND with all their players
(Stanford?).

They got Princeton playing Stanford, SC and Baylor. Yikes!!!

He's got the Colonial pick wrong too. Delaware will be in that spot.
 

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Tulane has been in each update since Saturday. However, you will note that they are the last of the Last Four In, so in Creme's estimation they have no margin for the unexpected upset of a higher rated mid major. DePaul and Seton Hall helped by getting to last night's Big East final, and George Washington and Dayton were in the A10 final. But Tulane is certainly not comfortably in, because of the 14 mid majors rated ahead of their #51 position in Sagarin, I believe 8 still have to play conference tournaments, though Middle Tennessee is not on Creme's chart as a possible unless they win CUSA. That's actually pretty long odds that all of the teams win out, though if a team like Wichita State loses, they will then be rated behind Tulane. But if FGCU, Green Bay, JMU, and probably Chattanooga lose in the conference tourney they either will be selected or get strong consideration, depending on where the loss comes.

Hoping for Tulane, but not really that optimistic that everything falls together for them.
 

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I don't think they'll do that to:
Maryland
SC again on a nuetral court
ND with all their players
(Stanford?).

They got Princeton playing Stanford, SC and Baylor. Yikes!!!

He's got the Colonial pick wrong too. Delaware will be in that spot.
Huh??? Deleware is horrible and there's almost no chance they win the Colonial.
 
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Well Connecticut has two teams in the tournament already with UConn and Quinnipiac already punching their tickets in. On Friday, Hartford plays Albany for the America East Title and on Sunday CCSU plays as well. So our state can have four teams in this years bracket. As for the Albany/UHart game I have a good friend that starts for Albany so I wish her and them well.
 

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South Dakota State Jackrabbits beat South Dakota last night to win the conference named after a former UTenn coach. Creme has them as a #13 seed, and they could be mildly dangerous as they have wins over three teams that either have clinched an NCAA spot or are projected by Creme to be in the Tourney.
 
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Huh??? Deleware is horrible and there's almost no chance they win the Colonial.

Don't go by just reading scores or reports.

They're not that bad. They just lost their last home game against JMU and it came down to the last shot. They were ahead most of the game. JMU looked very beatable the entire game.

They have trouble closing out games and lost a couple when they were behind late in the second half. They have two good guards and a couple of good centers but they didn't get the ball to them in those games.

I'm going to see them tomorrow afternoon. They could win this tourney very easily and get into the Big Dance.

I just looked closely at their schedule and they only lost one game in a blowout. They lost the last one in OT by one point. The tourney is very winnable for them!
 
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Okay!?? Never heard of a team with an 8-10 conference record and at 13-16 overall being favored to win a tournament, but maybe faith overcomes everything. But until the Blue Hens actually show they will not collapse at the end, I think Charlie is not too off-base with placing James Madison at 17-1 and 26-3 in as the "place warmer" for the CAA #7 seed Delaware.
 
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Okay!?? Never heard of a team with an 8-10 conference record and at 13-16 overall being favored to win a tournament, but maybe faith overcomes everything. But until the Blue Hens actually show they will not collapse at the end, I think Charlie is not too off-base with placing James Madison at 17-1 and 26-3 in as the "place warmer" for the CAA #7 seed Delaware.
Like I said they matched up pretty good with JMU. Their first game is against Northeastern and they beat them both times this year.
They have two guards who can drive and shoot well but their forwards are freshmen that tend to drive and just throw the ball up too much. Both are pretty good when they get open looks from the outside so I hope they stick with that.
 

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Tulane has been in each update since Saturday. However, you will note that they are the last of the Last Four In, so in Creme's estimation they have no margin for the unexpected upset of a higher rated mid major. DePaul and Seton Hall helped by getting to last night's Big East final, and George Washington and Dayton were in the A10 final. But Tulane is certainly not comfortably in, because of the 14 mid majors rated ahead of their #51 position in Sagarin, I believe 8 still have to play conference tournaments, though Middle Tennessee is not on Creme's chart as a possible unless they win CUSA. That's actually pretty long odds that all of the teams win out, though if a team like Wichita State loses, they will then be rated behind Tulane. But if FGCU, Green Bay, JMU, and probably Chattanooga lose in the conference tourney they either will be selected or get strong consideration, depending on where the loss comes.

Hoping for Tulane, but not really that optimistic that everything falls together for them.

Chattanooga already won their conference tourney, FYI.
 
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So we get ND in the semis again. Would have preferred someone different such as MD.
 

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Chattanooga already won their conference tourney, FYI.
Oh right, the OT game on Sunday.

Great going for the Mocs, as that might well have pushed Tulane into the First Four Out category with likely both ETSU and Chat getting berths if the Mocs had lost. But FGCU, GB, JMU, and WKU are likely going to have to win their Tourneys for Tulane to have a strong shot.
 
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So we get ND in the semis again. Would have preferred someone different such as MD.
the way i'm seeing the bracket is we would play ND in the semis and SC and ND would have to knock each other off to get to final
 
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So we get ND in the semis again. Would have preferred someone different such as MD.

Creme doesn't know which regional winners will match up in the semis.

The committee will make that decision. They will want to avoid having a
de facto national championship game occur in the semifinals (as occurred
a few years ago when Baylor got bounced unexpectedly and UConn and
ND played for the championship in the semis).
 

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I would say they are comfortably in at this point - as an 11 seed, Pittsburgh, Iowa State, and oddly enough Miami are all behind them. At least according to Creme. Am surprised about Miami - they beat ND after all... Of course, they also have lost 8 of their last 12 games including games to Wake and NC State...

What I don't get is Arkansas. The SEC should only get 6 teams in. Arkansas is 10th in the SEC at 6-10, and 17-13 overall.
Actually, Pitt and Miami are not behind Tulane in Creme's S-curve. The reason that Tulane is an 11-seed and Pitt and Miami are 12-seeds is because of a procedural bump down for the Panthers and the Hurricanes and a bump up for the Green Wave. If you look below the bracket, it lists the procedural bumps. The committee is allowed to bump any team up or down not more than 1 slot to avoid teams from the same conference meeting too early, to balance the brackets, whatever.
 
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So we get ND in the semis again. Would have preferred someone different such as MD.
the way i'm seeing the bracket is we would play ND in the semis and SC and ND would have to knock each other off to get to final

Unless my eyesight has left me completely, according to Creme, the only time we could play ND is in the finals. Maryland is the other #1 in our side of the bracket. I think Paul1969 had a typo and meant MD instead of ND.
 
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Can anyone explain why Charlie Creme has Cal a 4 seed? Cal has 9 losses and only 2 good wins at Stanford and ASU. AP has Cal at 25 and USA has Cal below 30. I think Creme (and the selection committee) are vastly overrating Pac 12 ball.
 
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If you might be interested in watching the Delaware Blue Hens play today their game (2:30 EST) will be telecast for free at their website.

I'm confident that they'll win this one and will be at the game.
 

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Can anyone explain why Charlie Creme has Cal a 4 seed? Cal has 9 losses and only 2 good wins at Stanford and ASU. AP has Cal at 25 and USA has Cal below 30. I think Creme (and the selection committee) are vastly overrating Pac 12 ball.
Couple of points.

1. First, again Creme is not necessarily saying that Cal is one of the 16 best teams, he is simply trying to add up a wide range of factors and guess as to how the selection committee will see them, and he may be totally wrong as the committee may decide that Cal is a #5 or #6 seed.

2. When I saw that Cal was rated #32 by Sagarin, I thought Charlie was way off base. But then you add up the strong points (or lack of them) of the teams in the 15-16 or so spots ahead of them and you see why maybe he might turn to the Bears as likely the last #4, though it seems to me two other teams would be better choices. Six of the teams just ahead and Princeton at #8 are mid majors, and as good as these teams may be, Creme knows that the committee almost never puts a mid major in those top 4 seeds unless maybe they have one of the best players in the country on the squad. Of the P5 squads in the 15-16 spots ahead, many of them have sore points. Oklahoma has 11 losses, and Texas may be coming around, but Creme knows that the Horns went 9-9 in a conference that despite what brain-dead RPI may say was the pits this year.

3. So who gets moved in ahead of Cal? Clearly you would look at the projected #5 seeds. But one of them is Princeton, and though the Tigers would be my choice, they are still a mid major, so you need to chuck'em. The other three teams are Mississippi State, North Carolina, and Ohio State to compare with Cal. The Bulldogs have the best record among the four teams, but the schedule was very bad in the weak SEC and they had no T25 wins, so no 'dogs.

North Carolina at #14 in Sagarin and at 24-8 seems like a better choice to me than Cal as they also have a better T25 and T50 record and all of their losses were to top 50 teams, unlike Cal's 3 losses outside the T50. The one big advantage that Cal has over the Heels was getting to a conference final over UNC's quarters loss to a much tougher Louisville team in OT. I'm kind of wondering if Charlie moved Cal up in anticipation of a win over Stanford in the PACT final and just forgot to move them back after they went down.

The other team that seems to be a better choice as a #4 seed is Ohio State, at 23-10, a #20 Sags rating, a similar 13-5 conference record to Cal's, and like Cal a conference tournament runner-up. The Buckeyes have by far the best T50 record, but they also have 2 losses outside the T50. Although like Cal they are 12-4 in their last 16 games, they are also 8-2 in the last 10, better than Cal's 6-4. A better choice than the Bears, though maybe a little behind UNC.

But Creme is also looking at indexes that I would not think to look at because they are worthless, and maybe he saw something in RPI that some of the dimmer bulbs on the committee might look at.
 

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I think USF will represent the conference well in the NCAAs.
 

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I think USF will represent the conference well in the NCAAs.
If as Charlie projects the Bulls get a team like UArk-Little Rock and Duke in their pod, that would be great. They seem to be peaking nicely, though I doubt with an 0-5 Sagarin T25 record they can get up to a 5 seed, though Miss State is projected with a 5 seed with an 0-4 T25 record.
 
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DobbsRover-great analysis. You're far more analytical than I am. I go to all the Cal games and my view is more impressionistic but Cal is wildly inconsistent. I agree with you and would place Princeton , UNC and Ohio State ahead of Cal.
 
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