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Bracketology March 5th

Only if NCSt wins as well, and even then not guaranteed. No one else has enough to jump them.
Political consideration: there will not be two teams from one conference in the top 4 at the end of THIS year. If Scar beats UGA, they will (probably) be in. Somebody will jump A&M. NC state if they win. If not, it will be Baylor or Maryland if they win out ( still a tournament for both of them to play)
 
Political consideration: there will not be two teams from one conference in the top 4 at the end of THIS year. If Scar beats UGA, they will (probably) be in. Somebody will jump A&M. NC state if they win. If not, it will be Baylor or Maryland if they win out ( still a tournament for both of them to play)
SEC has shown itself to be strongest conference this year, so two #1s not unreasonable.
That said, putting TAMU as #5, would avoid an SEC regional semi since TN is probably #13.
 
How in the world is DePaul in according to Charlie and Ole Miss is out?

Net rating: Ole Miss 42, DePaul 71

Best wins:
Ole Miss: Arkansas (#19) and 2x Kentucky (#20)
DePaul: Kentucky (#20), Marquette (#31)

Worst Losses:
Ole Miss: Florida (#63), LSU 2x (#62)
DePaul: Butler (#275), Villanova (#67), Creighton (#98)
 
How in the world is DePaul in according to Charlie and Ole Miss is out?

Net rating: Ole Miss 42, DePaul 71

Best wins:
Ole Miss: Arkansas (#19) and 2x Kentucky (#20)
DePaul: Kentucky (#20), Marquette (#31)

Worst Losses:
Ole Miss: Florida (#63), LSU 2x (#62)
DePaul: Butler (#275), Villanova (#67), Creighton (#98)
NET is a flawed tool, but if they just ignore it anyway then who cares? :rolleyes:
 
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How in the world is DePaul in according to Charlie and Ole Miss is out?

Net rating: Ole Miss 42, DePaul 71

Best wins:
Ole Miss: Arkansas (#19) and 2x Kentucky (#20)
DePaul: Kentucky (#20), Marquette (#31)

Worst Losses:
Ole Miss: Florida (#63), LSU 2x (#62)
DePaul: Butler (#275), Villanova (#67), Creighton (#98)
The thing that likely hurts Ole Miss is 4-11 against Quad 1 & 2.
DePaul is 5-6, though it also has a quad 3 & quad 4 loss.
 
The thing that likely hurts Ole Miss is 4-11 against Quad 1 & 2.
DePaul is 5-6, though it also has a quad 3 & quad 4 loss.
I guess that makes sense if they're focusing on quad wins, but I just find it flawed how spread out the quadrants are, especially for road wins during a season held without fans. There's no way someone can convince me that beating Villanova on the road should be equated to beating Arkansas. Just look at how UCONN performed vs both teams for any indication.
 
  • Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75.
  • Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135.
  • Quadrant 3: Home 76-160; Neutral 101-200; Away 136-240.
  • Quadrant 4: Home 161-plus; Neutral 201-plus; Away 241-plus.
The differences in Quadrants in the home and away rankings is what throws the Net off. According to the Net, there's no difference between beating a top 1-25 team on the road than beating a top 50-75 on the road.
 
  • Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75.
  • Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135.
  • Quadrant 3: Home 76-160; Neutral 101-200; Away 136-240.
  • Quadrant 4: Home 161-plus; Neutral 201-plus; Away 241-plus.
The differences in Quadrants in the home and away rankings is what throws the Net off. According to the Net, there's no difference between beating a top 1-25 team on the road than beating a top 50-75 on the road.
This is where it is incredibly flawed for the women's side. If committee sticks to this long term, it will incentivize teams to schedule crap road games and avoid top competition since a win vs. a top 5 team is formulaically viewed the same as a road win vs. a non tournament team. Casting up to 75 teams in Q1 and 105 in Q2 is insane to me considering how much variation there is among team quality in those quadrants. Context is extremely important.
 
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SEC has shown itself to be strongest conference this year, so two #1s not unreasonable.
That said, putting TAMU as #5, would avoid an SEC regional semi since TN is probably #13.
We will not know how strong any conference is until they face of in the NCAA tourn. No one has played enough out of conference games this season to get any sort of real measure. Basically all teams games have been against other conference teams. So teams were mostly judged based on untested preseason rankings. If the SEC second tier teams did wel against the top tier it could mean two things. The second teir is better than expected or the top tiers not as good as they were promoted as. In the case of the SEC they are assuming it is the former, but it could just as well be the latter.
 
Charlie Creme says Stanford now the #1 seed overall, with UCONN, Texas A&M and South Carolina the other #1s.

This man needs to pay attention to what he's doing. The other day, he had South Dakota State listed twice and Oregon completely missing from the bracket. In his March 8th version, he has Louisville listed as the automatic qualifier from the ACC...and Texas A&M as the automatic qualifier from the SEC.

If you're going to put this kind of stuff out there, attention to detail is important or people won't take you seriously.

Bracketology -- March 8th Edition
 
Charlie Creme says Stanford now the #1 seed overall, with UCONN, Texas A&M and South Carolina the other #1s.

This man needs to pay attention to what he's doing. The other day, he had South Dakota State listed twice and Oregon completely missing from the bracket. In his March 8th version, he has Louisville listed as the automatic qualifier from the ACC...and Texas A&M as the automatic qualifier from the SEC.

If you're going to put this kind of stuff out there, attention to detail is important or people won't take you seriously.

Bracketology -- March 8th Edition
Question about automatic qualifiers. Are the AQ’ the regular season champs or the conference tournament champs or does it vary according to the conference?

the ACC traditionally has awarded the title to the tournament champs. The SEC has traditionally awarded the title to the regular season champs.

so which does the NCAA choose as the AQ?
 
Question about automatic qualifiers. Are the AQ’ the regular season champs or the conference tournament champs or does it vary according to the conference?

the ACC traditionally has awarded the title to the tournament champs. The SEC has traditionally awarded the title to the regular season champs.

so which does the NCAA choose as the AQ?
At least for the ACC, it is the tournament champion who is deemed the automatic qualifier.
 
At least for the ACC, it is the tournament champion who is deemed the automatic qualifier.
Brief research tells me the same is true for all conferences. Thus, SCar is the AQ for the SEC and A&M is an at large
 
Charlie Creme says Stanford now the #1 seed overall, with UCONN, Texas A&M and South Carolina the other #1s.

This man needs to pay attention to what he's doing. The other day, he had South Dakota State listed twice and Oregon completely missing from the bracket. In his March 8th version, he has Louisville listed as the automatic qualifier from the ACC...and Texas A&M as the automatic qualifier from the SEC.

If you're going to put this kind of stuff out there, attention to detail is important or people won't take you seriously.

Bracketology -- March 8th Edition
Id give him benefit of the doubt...he's working hard to constantly update the bracket daily and assess a bevy of games and resumes. It probably isn't his full time job and it's doubtful he has anyone helping him to audit his brackets. It sure seems like a thankless job based on how fans react to it, but at the end of the day it's far better to have someone provide some insight and understanding of how the committee works compared to not having any content at all.
 
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Brief research tells me the same is true for all conferences. Thus, SCar is the AQ for the SEC and A&M is an at large

The ACC champion is determined by the tournament.

The SEC champion is determined by the regular season.

That may vary from league to league.

I think you are correct that all conferences make the tournament winner their automatic qualifier.

Makes the most sense as it gives leagues the best chance to get more teams into the dance. That's the nicest thing about the NCAA tournament. Theoretically anyone can play their way in and win it.

Not the best way of rewarding the best season or team sometimes, but the expanded field has taken away most of the egregious omissions.
 
I'll say this: the one seeds not named Stanford better pray Creme is wrong that Oregon State is a 8/9 seed. I'd be less than thrilled to face them in the second round given how they've played their way into the postseason, and Rueck has a history of coaching his Davids to take down Goliath in March.
 
I'll say this: the one seeds not named Stanford better pray Creme is wrong that Oregon State is a 8/9 seed. I'd be less than thrilled to face them in the second round given how they've played their way into the postseason, and Rueck has a history of coaching his Davids to take down Goliath in March.
Agreed, by far the most dangerous potential 8/9 seed among the teams I'm seeing anywhere in that vicinity. Many had OSU in their top 15 in the preseason rankings, and they finally started playing like it in the past few weeks.
 
Charlie Creme says Stanford now the #1 seed overall, with UCONN, Texas A&M and South Carolina the other #1s.

This man needs to pay attention to what he's doing. The other day, he had South Dakota State listed twice and Oregon completely missing from the bracket. In his March 8th version, he has Louisville listed as the automatic qualifier from the ACC...and Texas A&M as the automatic qualifier from the SEC.

If you're going to put this kind of stuff out there, attention to detail is important or people won't take you seriously.

Bracketology -- March 8th Edition
I don't believe the committee will have two SEC teams as #1 Seeds. I believe NC State will replace TxA&M as a one seed.

My projected two seeds
Baylor, Maryland, A&M, & Louisville. UCLA could possibly muster enough to replace Louisville.
 
MS State is currently the last team in. Ideally they get knocked out of that spot and then decline an invitation to the WNIT. They need to get on with the process of seeing who wants to come back, who they want to come back, and who is going to be available in the transfer portal to fill in the roster.
 
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MS State is currently the last team in. Ideally they get knocked out of that spot and then decline an invitation to the WNIT. They need to get on with the process of seeing who wants to come back, who they want to come back, and who is going to be available in the transfer portal to fill in the roster.
I hope we get in the dance, however I must admit if I were on the selection committee MSST would not be my choice. I think there are a number of teams that deserve a bid more than us. I dread the coming transfers and I do not see anyone impactful player choosing transfer to MSST. I think MSST needs a more involved coach than NMP but do not think MSST is willing pay the money to attract a proven coach so just hope we can at least get a coach who motivates the players.
 
I hope we get in the dance, however I must admit if I were on the selection committee MSST would not be my choice. I think there are a number of teams that deserve a bid more than us. I dread the coming transfers and I do not see anyone impactful player choosing transfer to MSST. I think MSST needs a more involved coach than NMP but do not think MSST is willing pay the money to attract a proven coach so just hope we can at least get a coach who motivates the players.
Would be a pretty disastrous year to go from top 10 to not making the tournament.

Feel for y'all, I really do. Miss St was I team I really enjoyed watching over the years. The underdog type team/program that outworked people was fun to follow. It appears that has evaporated in a offseason unfortunately.
 
MS State is currently the last team in. Ideally they get knocked out of that spot and then decline an invitation to the WNIT. They need to get on with the process of seeing who wants to come back, who they want to come back, and who is going to be available in the transfer portal to fill in the roster.
Glad to see that this was the end result. Now it would be good if those who plan to transfer would declare their intentions over the next few days so the number of available slots will be known and the rebuilding process can begin.
 
Glad to see that this was the end result. Now it would be good if those who plan to transfer would declare their intentions over the next few days so the number of available slots will be known and the rebuilding process can begin.
Hard for me to believe a MSST fan is glad we did not get an invite to the dance and thinks it is good for transfers to occur. MSUrealist is an unusual fan, I hope he is one of a kind.
 
Jmsdawg, it seems clear that there are players who quit on the team in recent weeks if not before. In the last regular season game we had Jackson and Mingo-Young benched for reasons unknown until the middle of the third quarter. In the SEC Tournament game Matharu picked up a technical and was benched for the rest of the game, Mingo-Young also picked up a technical, Jackson only managed to get 1 rebound in 38 minutes of play--this isn't a team that needed another week of practice followed by players giving a half-hearted effort in a first round loss. I suspect that Rickea AND the coaches feel like it is time for her to move on and then we'll see who else decides to go. No use putting off the inevitable and might as well get the rebuilding started as soon as possible.
 
Jmsdawg, it seems clear that there are players who quit on the team in recent weeks if not before. In the last regular season game we had Jackson and Mingo-Young benched for reasons unknown until the middle of the third quarter. In the SEC Tournament game Matharu picked up a technical and was benched for the rest of the game, Mingo-Young also picked up a technical, Jackson only managed to get 1 rebound in 38 minutes of play--this isn't a team that needed another week of practice followed by players giving a half-hearted effort in a first round loss. I suspect that Rickea AND the coaches feel like it is time for her to move on and then we'll see who else decides to go. No use putting off the Ed inevitable and might as well get the rebuilding started as soon as possible.
You think the players quit on the team, I think the coach quit on the players. NMP is just not the coach we need, go watch the Ole Miss Tenn SEC tournament game, both those coaches were involved but the Ole Miss coach provided the emotion the players needed to give it all they had. NMP never provided that type motivation during any game that I saw.
 
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