Borges: Summer 2 Session

[navery12]

The highlights:

Alleyne/Calcaterra on campus now

"It seems highly likely that four of UConn’s starting five are spoken for: Tristen Newton at point guard, Jordan Hawkins at the two or three, Andre Jackson at the three or four and Sanogo at the five."

"Jackson may be listed as a three or four, but he’ll be on the ball as a point guard nearly as frequently this season."

Samson with the early lead over Karaban for the starting 4 or first big off the bench

12th scholarship still expected to be filled

 

[Hungryhusky99]

Samson with the early lead over Karaban for the starting 4 or first big off the bench

I don’t think that is a fact. I think Borges was just making a ridiculous assumption based off the Clingan quote.

 

[Stinger92860]

The way it‘s written makes it sound like Alex may be pushing Samson.

 

[Jbirdp5]

Oh boy here come all the Andre jackson debates about “initiating the offense” again.

 

[Billy Bob]

Oh boy here come all the Andre jackson debates about “initiating the offense” again.

First one.
So I guess standing at the top of the key and looking to pass qualifies as a "point guard"
And not being able to shoot well outside or taking it all of the way to the hole.
Sure.

 

[imno1]

I expect Andre to initiate a lot of the offense

 

[HuskyHawk]

I don’t think that is a fact. I think Borges was just making a ridiculous assumption based off the Clingan quote.

There is nothing ridiculous about the assumption, if it is one, that a highly rated sophomore might be ahead of a freshman. We certainly should hope it's the case.

 

[UofCT]

Sign me up for Samson starting at the 4 alongside Sanogo, Jackson, Hawkins and Newton.

 

[imno1]

There is nothing ridiculous about the assumption, if it is one, that a highly rated sophomore might be ahead of a freshman. We certainly should hope it's the case.

Especially one who stayed all summer to improve. Samson playing like a starter give us our best chance to have a great tournament run (imo)

 

[polycom]

Finally we aren't starting a season with a team of vertically challenged people.

 

[Hungryhusky99]

There is nothing ridiculous about the assumption, if it is one, that a highly rated sophomore might be ahead of a freshman. We certainly should hope it's the case.

He might be ahead, but I don’t think Borges knows whether he is or not is my point.

 

[husky429]

Especially one who stayed all summer to improve. Samson playing like a starter give us our best chance to have a great tournament run (imo)

Karaban has the potential to be an elite shooter, Johnson has the best chance to be an elite defender... very different players, both super important. If they're each getting 20-25 productive minutes (3/4 for Karaban; 4/5 for Johnson)... we're in a very good place. I want them BOTH to be good enough to play in the tourney.

 

[auror]

Finally we aren't starting a season with a team of vertically challenged people.

We started 2 wings with bounce and 2 bigs last year lol.

 

[UCLJ0211]

I thought the expectation was Alleyne being considered the 5th starter. I know it would give us a much smaller starting lineup but he started for a P5 school last year and brings tons of experience, shooting and decent defense.

 

[auror]

I thought the expectation was Alleyne being considered the 5th starter. I know it would give us a much smaller starting lineup but he started for a P5 school last year and brings tons of experience, shooting and decent defense.

I think he's still likely. He hasn't been on campus yet so there's no way of knowing where he stands in relation to Johnson/Karaban. Borges was careful to say 2/3, 3/4 and 4/first big off bench to leave open the Alleyne possibility.

 

[polycom]

We started 2 wings with bounce and 2 bigs last year lol.

How tall was our PG?

 

[auror]

How tall was our PG?

Not tall, but you said "a team of"

 

[husky429]

How tall was our PG?

We were one of the biggest teams in the country last year. PG is one position. There are 5 players on the court. The rest of those players were 6'7 or better.

 

[navery12]

We were one of the biggest teams in the country last year. PG is one position. There are 5 players on the court. The rest of those players were 6'7 or better.

To provide evidence that we were:

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

How tall was our PG?

From "a team of vertically challenged people" to this in a few short posts.

 

[Chief00]

Karaban has the potential to be an elite shooter, Johnson has the best chance to be an elite defender... very different players, both super important. If they're each getting 20-25 productive minutes (3/4 for Karaban; 4/5 for Johnson)... we're in a very good place. I want them BOTH to be good enough to play in the tourney.

I agree, combined they play three positions and only overlap at one (the 4).

 

[ClifSpliffy]

I thought the expectation was Alleyne being considered the 5th starter. I know it would give us a much smaller starting lineup but he started for a P5 school last year and brings tons of experience, shooting and decent defense.

not sold on this guy at all. i'll wait to see.
and, if andre is expected to regularly start the o, what's tristen supposed to be doing? waiting for pass to shoot if he's open? i seriously hope that chemistry sorts out all this who stands where stuff, but some of the current reasoning escapes me.

bring it on!
i mean, some of youse tried to boo off the stage that poster who pointed out andre's skilz with the ball and the shot to date. to date.

 

[KembaStepback]

not sold on this guy at all. i'll wait to see.
and, if andre is expected to regularly start the o, what's tristen supposed to be doing? waiting for pass to shoot if he's open? i seriously hope that chemistry sorts out all this who stands where stuff, but some of the current reasoning escapes me.

bring it on!
i mean, some of youse tried to boo off the stage that poster who pointed out andre's skilz with the ball and the shot to date. to date.

Having a bunch of guys who can initiate the offense is a good thing. I'd love to see them run more.

 

[imno1]

From "a team of vertically challenged people" to this in a few short posts.

He goes by the “You are only as tall as your shortest starter” theory

 

[polycom]

Not tall, but you said "a team of"

Fair, fair.

 

[HuskyHawk]

We were one of the biggest teams in the country last year. PG is one position. There are 5 players on the court. The rest of those players were 6'7 or better.

Sure. Because Whaley started at the 4, and Martin was a very big college 2 at 6'5", Jackson about normal for a 3 at 6'6". But we also brought a 6'9" perimeter player off the bench for a lot of minutes, who didn't play like a "big". That skews the data a bit.

We now have big guards all around as is needed in this system (hopefully we switch more and hedge less). Great. I don't think that has any impact on who plays the 4. Average height doesn't much matter to individual matchups. Johnson has great upside, and a dynamic shot blocking 6'9" guy who can hit threes (like say Donyell Marshall) changes the game.

I don't know who starts. We all penciled in Hawkins. But it's possible that Alleyne is ahead of him and that Johnson still earns a start at the 4. Or Alleyne is the 6th man that can come in and play 2-3. As I said for months, if Alleyne starts there are zero 2-3 players on the bench (and one 3-4, Karaban). That's not now true because of Calcaterra, but I don't know how much he will play. So in my mind, there is a good argument that one of Hawkins or Alleyne should be on the bench. The alternative is that you've got three guys who are 4's and all are on the bench. It will work itself out.

 

[MDHuskFan]

Sure. Because Whaley started at the 4, and Martin was a very big college 2 at 6'5", Jackson about normal for a 3 at 6'6". But we also brought a 6'9" perimeter player off the bench for a lot of minutes, who didn't play like a "big". That skews the data a bit.

We now have big guards all around as is needed in this system (hopefully we switch more and hedge less). Great. I don't think that has any impact on who plays the 4. Average height doesn't much matter to individual matchups. Johnson has great upside, and a dynamic shot blocking 6'9" guy who can hit threes (like say Donyell Marshall) changes the game.

I don't know who starts. We all penciled in Hawkins. But it's possible that Alleyne is ahead of him and that Johnson still earns a start at the 4. Or Alleyne is the 6th man that can come in and play 2-3. As I said for months, if Alleyne starts there are zero 2-3 players on the bench (and one 3-4, Karaban). That's not now true because of Calcaterra, but I don't know how much he will play. So in my mind, there is a good argument that one of Hawkins or Alleyne should be on the bench. The alternative is that you've got three guys who are 4's and all are on the bench. It will work itself out.

I think the greatest thing we have right now is a lot of positional versatility, so even if we don’t have a “true 2-3” on the bench outside Calcaterra, we have other ways to cover this with out versatility. (Ex: if 1-2 wings has to sit and goes out, you could see a lineup of either 1) Hassan, Newton, Alleyne, AJ, Adama 2) Newton Alleyne AJ AK Adama 3) (if going big) Hassan/Newton, Alleyne/AJ/Hawk, AK, Samson, Adama)

I think we’ll see plenty of lineup combinations this year. We dont substitute full 5 like hockey lineups, so we should be fine imo

 

[KingAG]

Sure. Because Whaley started at the 4, and Martin was a very big college 2 at 6'5", Jackson about normal for a 3 at 6'6". But we also brought a 6'9" perimeter player off the bench for a lot of minutes, who didn't play like a "big". That skews the data a bit.

We now have big guards all around as is needed in this system (hopefully we switch more and hedge less). Great. I don't think that has any impact on who plays the 4. Average height doesn't much matter to individual matchups. Johnson has great upside, and a dynamic shot blocking 6'9" guy who can hit threes (like say Donyell Marshall) changes the game.

I don't know who starts. We all penciled in Hawkins. But it's possible that Alleyne is ahead of him and that Johnson still earns a start at the 4. Or Alleyne is the 6th man that can come in and play 2-3. As I said for months, if Alleyne starts there are zero 2-3 players on the bench (and one 3-4, Karaban). That's not now true because of Calcaterra, but I don't know how much he will play. So in my mind, there is a good argument that one of Hawkins or Alleyne should be on the bench. The alternative is that you've got three guys who are 4's and all are on the bench. It will work itself out.

No way Alleyne is ahead of Hawkins.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

No way Alleyne is ahead of Hawkins.

if that guy starts over hawk, call the police becuz a major crime has been committed. coaching idiocy its called in the Cal penal code. i can almost hear joe friday: 'this is the city...when that happens, then i go to work to do my job. it was a tuesday, unusually warm for a late november day. we were working the daywatch out of robbery/homicide...'

 

[HuskyHawk]

No way Alleyne is ahead of Hawkins.

How would anyone know? I certainly don't expect it, but people saying "he started at an ACC school VT"...well Hawkins didn't start for UConn.