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Borges article comparing PT of UConn recruits to other programs

Hurley's reaction to fan criticism is, “At a place like this,” he said on Monday, “anytime you lose, there’s a certain level of hysteria that begins.”

Not what I was expecting. If he can't see his deficiencies, he he's not likely to improve. He also doesn't understand the need to invest in younger players with higher ceilings. Hopefully he'll figure it out before a revolving door to the Transfer Portal bites him in the ass.
 
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I’d love to see the data in the article plotted on a graph with the X axis being player rank in the Y axis being number of minutes played. That would more clearly show how our guys stand relative to their ranked peers.

Note that when I say I’d love to see that, not so much that I’d actually take the time to do it, but I’d certainly look at it if someone did.
 
CL82 said:
I’d love to see the data in the article plotted on a graph with the X axis being player rank in the Y axis being number of minutes played. That would more clearly show how our guys stand relative to their ranked peers.

Note that when I say I’d love to see that, not so much that I’d actually take the time to do it, but I’d certainly look at it if someone did.
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According to the Boneyard:
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dogpause said:
Hurley's reaction to fan criticism is, “At a place like this,” he said on Monday, “anytime you lose, there’s a certain level of hysteria that begins.”

Not what I was expecting. If he can't see his deficiencies, he he's not likely to improve. He also doesn't understand the need to invest in younger players with higher ceilings. Hopefully he'll figure it out before a revolving door to the Transfer Portal bites him in the ass.
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You get it.
 
CL82 said:
I’d love to see the data in the article plotted on a graph with the X axis being player rank in the Y axis being number of minutes played. That would more clearly show how our guys stand relative to their ranked peers.

Note that when I say I’d love to see that, not so much that I’d actually take the time to do it, but I’d certainly look at it if someone did.
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I started looking at that for the recruits in the 40-60 range (similar to our 3 freshmen) but nobody volunteered to finish it.

the-boneyard.com

4 star recruits

So far we are getting next to nothing from what was supposed to be a really good group of incoming players. Hawkins looks over whelmed, and Johnson and Diggins get almost no playing time. If next years 3 four star recruits face the same fate, then why bother to hype them? So much is expected...
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Hurley is a massive upgrade from our last head coach, but he still seems to have some substantial blind spots. I bet if he was being completely honest, he would admit that Johnson and Diggins both should have logged more minutes in the games UConn won by over 20 points. There was lots of upside to getting these guys getting some run, and virtually no downside.
 
Basically, there are some recruits in the same ranking range getting significant minutes and some who are not. Seems dependent on team + situation.

The minutes Hurley is giving to Diggins and Johnson isn’t anything to be alarmed about. But also doesn’t mean he can’t get them more (especially if they earn them).
 
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CL82 said:
I’d love to see the data in the article plotted on a graph with the X axis being player rank in the Y axis being number of minutes played. That would more clearly show how our guys stand relative to their ranked peers.

Note that when I say I’d love to see that, not so much that I’d actually take the time to do it, but I’d certainly look at it if someone did.
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HooperScooper said:
I started looking at that for the recruits in the 40-60 range (similar to our 3 freshmen) but nobody volunteered to finish it.

the-boneyard.com

4 star recruits

So far we are getting next to nothing from what was supposed to be a really good group of incoming players. Hawkins looks over whelmed, and Johnson and Diggins get almost no playing time. If next years 3 four star recruits face the same fate, then why bother to hype them? So much is expected...
the-boneyard.com the-boneyard.com
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I'm not the greatest with Excel charts, I'm more of a table guy. It gets really messy with the full top 100 but here's 40-70. Best way I could find to show it

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And just in terms of total minutes played not per game arranged by recruiting ranking for what @CL82 actually asked for. Couldn't get the players names on here without making it look like a mess, Johnson, Hawkins, Diggins are circled in that order left to right

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dogpause said:
Hurley's reaction to fan criticism is, “At a place like this,” he said on Monday, “anytime you lose, there’s a certain level of hysteria that begins.”

Not what I was expecting. If he can't see his deficiencies, he he's not likely to improve. He also doesn't understand the need to invest in younger players with higher ceilings. Hopefully he'll figure it out before a revolving door to the Transfer Portal bites him in the ass.
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Maybe instead of worrying about the fan hysteria he should do some serious self soul searching
 
Thanks. This is good info. An even more interesting chart will be how many of those players in this range who don't get a lot of minutes will transfer.
 
olehead said:
Are W. McClendon and Z. Harmon hurt. Avging 0 min/game?
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Harmon didn't play the first few games and then has been listed as being out for personal reasons, so not sure what's going on there. McClendon tore his ACL so is out for the year
 
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navery12 said:
And just in terms of total minutes played not per game arranged by recruiting ranking for what @CL82 actually asked for. Couldn't get the players names on here without making it look like a mess, Johnson, Hawkins, Diggins are circled in that order left to right

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This chart way more indicative than the MPG chart, because I believe the MPG number only counts games they entered (not total team games).

Eyeballing it, only 5 guys in the 40-70 range have played less total minutes than either Diggins or Johnson.
 
Huskybass said:
Hurley is a massive upgrade from our last head coach, but he still seems to have some substantial blind spots. I bet if he was being completely honest, he would admit that Johnson and Diggins both should have logged more minutes in the games UConn won by over 20 points. There was lots of upside to getting these guys getting some run, and virtually no downside.
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i mean, i agree with this take on the surface, but do you think we win the 2OT game against auburn if our starters aren't in A+ game shape? that was the argument hurley made at the time and it resulted in what might be the best win in college basketball right now.
 
JohnFSilver said:
It's like $1 for 6 months. Journalists getting paid like $30K to report and y'all don't want to give a dollar.
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$5 a week after that. For people who aren't local it doesn't make sense. I'd pay .25 an article if they'd move to that model.

I think there is a better argument to get Johnson in than there is for Diggins. He has much more position competition, but he has been reasonably effective when he plays. Nobody else has his length and at times we can use it.
 
McLovin said:
This chart way more indicative than the MPG chart, because I believe the MPG number only counts games they entered (not total team games).

Eyeballing it, only 5 guys in the 40-70 range have played less total minutes than either Diggins or Johnson.
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Yeah but on the first graph it looks as if they are pretty much clustered in a pretty significant group. In other words their minutes aren’t dramatically different. On the other hand when looking at total minutes, they are way down at the bottom.

@navery12 Nice work!
 
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Playing time is going to be pretty variable based on so many variable. The player’s skill level is Probably #1, but the team need and current situation comes into play too. If one of these guys is at a place that didn’t have what he brings, that guy probably plays.

Still for all the big talk about our recruiting, you might expect to see SOMEBODY get some burn.
 
CL82 said:
Yeah but on the first graph it looks as if they are pretty much clustered in a pretty significant group. In other words their minutes aren’t dramatically different. On the other hand when looking at total minutes, they are way down at the bottom.

@navery12 Nice work!
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The 2nd graph has a confounding variable not found in the first; we had a few games canceled because of prolonged COVID pause, so we've played less games than the average team. So total minutes will be lower for our players.
 
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McLovin said:
This chart way more indicative than the MPG chart, because I believe the MPG number only counts games they entered (not total team games).

Eyeballing it, only 5 guys in the 40-70 range have played less total minutes than either Diggins or Johnson.
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But if Hurley had given these guys 5-7 mins more of run in all of our cupcake games, then they’d be right in the middle of the other frosh in the 40-70 rankings, even without playing a minute in conference.

I wonder if a lot of this complaining about minutes would have been placated if we saw more Diggins and Johnson in the early blowout wins.

Maybe Hurley wonders the same thing too…
 
navery12 said:
And just in terms of total minutes played not per game arranged by recruiting ranking for what @CL82 actually asked for. Couldn't get the players names on here without making it look like a mess, Johnson, Hawkins, Diggins are circled in that order left to right

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Great work, man. This is super interesting to see laid out like this.
 
I really appreciate the graphs.

The other variables to consider (which can’t possibly be shown on a graph) are the quality/performance of the team and the number of returning players, since both affect playing time for freshmen. I think I remember we had something like the seventh most returning minutes from last year, which obviously leaves fewer minutes for freshmen.

For what it’s worth, Diggins looked plenty happy dancing in the pregame huddle at the beginning of the game. Hopefully he knows he has a bright future in the program.
 
Great work by @navery12...the graphs paint an interesting picture....after watching Gaffney's very poor performance last night, I do not see what the downside would be to giving Diggins some playing time....I am not sure that he would have done, or would do, any worse.
 
Gaffney kind of teases us. He had that beautiful drive to the basket, but then makes unforced turnovers to follow.

To his credit, Gaffney does bring the ball over the timeline the vast majority of the time, and at times can hit the three.

Not having seen Diggins against decent competition, it is guesswork as to how he would perform, but if Diggins plays at the same time as Cole, or even with Gaffney, what's the harm for a few minutes when we have an 8 or 9 point lead?

Unless he is like Springs and is happy being a spectator and cheerleader, I could see him bolting at the end of the season.

Maybe Hurley sees him not measuring up in practice? And, Jay Wright does not play his freshmen that much, other Yarders have said.

Will he just wait and grow and play?
 
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