Boogie Fland decommits from Kentucky

[businesslawyer]

Whether it was intentional or lunacy, no organization has ever done anything that worked worse than allowing third parties to make NIL payments.

A rational system would allow schools to pay players, have a wage scale (even if that requires unionization) and have the schools deal with the boosters rather than the players. Not a system where college students are more capitalistic with more rights than professional basketball players have.

 

[Scottzer]

Within the context of NIL it feels like decommittment is a way to extract more money.

 

[YearoftheHusky]

Or Charlie V, Khalid, or Deandre...

Or any transfer we have had. It’s an objectively silly take.

 

[Verne]

A rational system would allow schools to pay players, have a wage scale (even if that requires unionization)

Could you imagine the disaster this would be...

Imagine a college athlete union that says Zion Williamson has to be paid the same as some girl on the Duke swim team....

"Sorry Mr Clingan the union says you make the same as the goalie on the field hockey team."

The free market and capitalism is fine guys. If someone wants to pay Ballo from Arizona $1.2m for one year of college basketball... Let them. Eventually we'll figure out whether that juice is worth squeeze.

There's other ways to regulate the timing of the portal and NIL contracts.

You wanna blow up college sports... Enter a union into the fray. Now you've got yourself the real minor league experience.

 

[UconnU]

Whether it was intentional or lunacy, no organization has ever done anything that worked worse than allowing third parties to make NIL payments.

A rational system would allow schools to pay players, have a wage scale (even if that requires unionization) and have the schools deal with the boosters rather than the players. Not a system where college students are more capitalistic with more rights than professional basketball players have.

I do fear the long term consequences of unionization of teenage athletes. Over time the game will be less competitive, you’ll get less real improvement as there will be guardrails limiting how hard a coach can push a player. Their peers will convince them that they’re being mistreated. I think the coach-centric approach is better with this age group than the player-centric approach.

 

[businesslawyer]

Could you imagine the disaster this would be...

Imagine a college athlete union that says Zion Williamson has to be paid the same as some girl on the Duke swim team....

"Sorry Mr Clingan the union says you make the same as the goalie on the field hockey team."

The free market and capitalism is fine guys. If someone wants to pay Ballo from Arizona $1.2m for one year of college basketball... Let them. Eventually we'll figure out whether that juice is worth squeeze.

There's other ways to regulate the timing of the portal and NIL contracts.

You wanna blow up college sports... Enter a union into the fray. Now you've got yourself the real minor league experience.

So it's fine for the WNBA, and rookie contracts in the NBA, but would be a total disaster in college? O.K.

 

[Verne]

So it's fine for the WNBA, and rookie contracts in the NBA, but would be a total disaster in college? O.K.

Not sure you wanna use the WNBA as a shining example of anything that works from a financial standpoint. They wouldn't exist if the nba didn't supplement them 10s of millions of dollars.

 

[UconnU]

Boogie Fland is the best player on the floor right now in the Jordan Brand classic.

 

[Stew Crew]

Could you imagine the disaster this would be...

Imagine a college athlete union that says Zion Williamson has to be paid the same as some girl on the Duke swim team....

"Sorry Mr Clingan the union says you make the same as the goalie on the field hockey team."

The free market and capitalism is fine guys. If someone wants to pay Ballo from Arizona $1.2m for one year of college basketball... Let them. Eventually we'll figure out whether that juice is worth squeeze.

There's other ways to regulate the timing of the portal and NIL contracts.

You wanna blow up college sports... Enter a union into the fray. Now you've got yourself the real minor league experience.

You can have different pay scales for different sports. What is scary is what Dartmouth MBB did. They chose a bargaining unit that also represents other Dartmouth employees. The union, in theory, could hold the basketball team hostage while trying to negotiate better agreements for maintenance workers or housekeepers. The MBB team could potentially be forced into a strike they are not in favor of.

 

[superjohn]

So it's fine for the WNBA, and rookie contracts in the NBA, but would be a total disaster in college? O.K.

The WNBA is a disaster. Unionization would be a disaster for college sports.

 

[Drame]

Boogie Fland is the best player on the floor right now in the Jordan Brand classic.

I was at the game.. Hard disagree. Nowell is better. Had rebounds and assists, pushed the ball hard and defended full court. Fland had two drives to the basket.

 

[superjohn]

I was at the game.. Hard disagree. Nowell is better. Had rebounds and assists, pushed the ball hard and defended full court. Fland had two drives to the basket.

I'm not really a fan of Boogie Fland's game.

 

[Shine21]

I was at the game.. Hard disagree. Nowell is better. Had rebounds and assists, pushed the ball hard and defended full court. Fland had two drives to the basket.

Yeah, Nowell was the best PG on the floor. He was getting others involved and taking his whenever it became available.

 

[ec33]

So it's fine for the WNBA, and rookie contracts in the NBA, but would be a total disaster in college? O.K.

Are you following him? The comparison would be NBA guys on NWSL minimum contracts.

 

[UconnU]

I'm not really a fan of Boogie Fland's game.

In his defense. A lot of Tristen Newton to his game.

 

[Zonepress]

Could you imagine the disaster this would be...

Imagine a college athlete union that says Zion Williamson has to be paid the same as some girl on the Duke swim team....

"Sorry Mr Clingan the union says you make the same as the goalie on the field hockey team."

The free market and capitalism is fine guys. If someone wants to pay Ballo from Arizona $1.2m for one year of college basketball... Let them. Eventually we'll figure out whether that juice is worth squeeze.

There's other ways to regulate the timing of the portal and NIL contracts.

You wanna blow up college sports... Enter a union into the fray. Now you've got yourself the real minor league experience.

Aaah someone who “gets it””
Thank you!!!

 

[ctbro1999]

I'm not really a fan of Boogie Fland's game.

I'm not a fan of Boogie Fland's name.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[boog204]

It's going to be so weird rooting for Arkansas and Cal to beat Kentucky for the foreseeable future...

 

[CL82]

Whether it was intentional or lunacy, no organization has ever done anything that worked worse than allowing third parties to make NIL payments.

A rational system would allow schools to pay players, have a wage scale (even if that requires unionization) and have the schools deal with the boosters rather than the players. Not a system where college students are more capitalistic with more rights than professional basketball players have.

This thing could have gone away if Emmert's NCAA had stepped up and offered a scale for schools to purchase athletes NIL rights. Instead they punted and told states to make their own laws. Now it's the wild west and there's no going back, but before all that happened some number, maybe as low as $25,000 and probably no higher than $50,000, could've been established. Everyone would've been happy because players would have been additional compensation, though still not be employees, the wild West of having boosters reach out to players agents would've been eliminated In the current system of pay for play free agency would've been eliminated.

Of course, now those dollar amounts are laughable. No point in closing the barn door because the horse is loose.

 

[businesslawyer]

This thing could have gone away if Emmert's NCAA had stepped up and offered a scale for schools to purchase athletes NIL rights. Instead they punted and told states to make their own laws. Now it's the wild west and there's no going back, but before all that happened some number, maybe as low as $25,000 and probably no higher than $50,000, could've been established. Everyone would've been happy because players would have been additional compensation, though still not be employees, the wild West of having boosters reach out to players agents would've been eliminated In the current system of pay for play free agency would've been eliminated.

Of course, now those dollar amounts are laughable. No point in closing the barn door because the horse is loose.

Well, there actually is. You can be there will be a Title IX suit with women athletes saying that just because the school has athletes paid through boosters rather than directly, that doesn't obviate the need to make sure your female student athletes are paid equally. And while I'm not a Title IX expert, I don't think that suit will be frivolous and might require the NCAA to figure out how to get the horses back in the barn.

 

[CL82]

Well, there actually is. You can be there will be a Title IX suit with women athletes saying that just because the school has athletes paid through boosters rather than directly, that doesn't obviate the need to make sure your female student athletes are paid equally. And while I'm not a Title IX expert, I don't think that suit will be frivolous and might require the NCAA to figure out how to get the horses back in the barn.

Interesting. I don't see it, though. You are imposing a duty on universities to control unaffiliated parties.

If Nike decides to give a deal to a male player at University X and a lesser deal to a female player at university Y who has committed the Title IX violation? It's not Nike, because they are not a governmental entity. Is it university X? What actions did it take or fate which are violative of title IX. What about university Y? It's athlete is being "under compensated". Should they be penalized because one of their athletes got a Nike deal, but not the best Nike deal?

 

[businesslawyer]

Interesting. I don't see it, though. You are imposing a duty on universities to control unaffiliated parties.

If Nike decides to give a deal to a male player at University X and a lesser deal to a female player at university Y who has committed the Title IX violation? It's not Nike, because they are not a governmental entity. Is it university X? What actions did it take or fate which are violative of title IX. What about university Y? It's athlete is being "under compensated". Should they be penalized because one of their athletes got a Nike deal, but not the best Nike deal?

Except that every coaching staff is telling their recruits that they are not "unaffiliated" and the staff controls payments. Can't have it both ways under oath.

 

[Mr. French]

It's going to be so weird rooting for Arkansas and Cal to beat Kentucky for the foreseeable future...

That is weird, so weird I probably wont do it.

 

[August_West]

The WNBA is a disaster. Unionization would be a disaster for college sports.

College sports is a disaster for College sports.