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Message: [QUOTE="Deadrody, post: 3446317, member: 937"] Sure you can. It's simple statistics. If +/- is a valid stat, then you can extrapolate that to offense / defense with the player in the game or not. It's certainly not as simple as that, and nobody on earth would claim it is, but there is nothing invalid about it. Especially when you can average it over many games and remove any small sample size oddities. At the end of a season, if a player with significant playing time has a very bad +/- defensively, I'd argue there is at least some validity to it. If the kind of stat he's talking about (and it appears that is the case) was some kind of Pro Football Focus-esque video review stat, then it's absolutely valid, especially over a long period of time. And doubly so if the results are relative to average performance. [/QUOTE]