Blanca Checked UConn Out Before She Came

[Bone Dog]

We all agree tht Sarah had a great freshman year but seem to 4get tht she had the 2nd highest number of TOs on the team with 62, Kaitlyn had 64 and Paige had 50.

You got me thinking about this stat and on reflection it seems a bit misleading. Per game Sarah averaged 1.6 TOs, and with 3.6 assists per game that amounted to an a:to ratio of 2.25. That is an excellent ratio, not something to forget. Of course, Paige had a better ratio at 4.6 assists to 1.3 TOs, or 3.5. But I don’t think it’s fair to hold freshman Sarah to Paige’s 5th year standard, at least not yet.

 

[YKCornelius]

You got me thinking about this stat and on reflection it seems a bit misleading. Per game Sarah averaged 1.6 TOs, and with 3.6 assists per game that amounted to an a:to ratio of 2.25. That is an excellent ratio, not something to forget. Of course, Paige had a better ratio at 4.6 assists to 1.3 TOs, or 3.5. But I don’t think it’s fair to hold freshman Sarah to Paige’s 5th year standard, at least not yet.

Bone dog, I agree with you. Additionally, with regards to Sarah, I am going to defend her one step further.

Rather than just evaluate her impressive assist-to-turnover ration, I think it is prudent and germane to also evaluate turnovers against steals and block shots. Turnovers forfeit scoring opportunities for one's team, the steals and blocks deny other teams' scoring opportunities. Hence, looking at those three stats together provides an alternative perspective to assists/turnover ratio. I think the combination tells an interesting, thought-provoking story.

Sarah's Fabulous Frosh year gave us 62 TOs (1.6 pg), 66 blocks (1.7 pg) and 92 steals (2.3 pg). In other words, 4.0 denials per game against 1.6 forfeitures, for an overall plus 96 of scoring opportunities (+2.4 pg).

Contrast that against other notable bigs performance last year:
L. Betts: 91 TOs (2.7 pg), 100 blocks (2.9 pg), and 31 steals (0.9 pg), for an overall plus 40 (+1.1 pg).
J. Edwards: 69 TOs (1.8 pg), 21 blocks (0.5 pg), and 42 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall minus 6 (-0.2 pg).
K. Iriafin: 85 TOs (2.4 pg), 22 blocks (0.6 pg), and 32 steals (0.9 pg) , for an overall minus 31 (-0.9 pg).
R. Beers: 91 TOs (2.8 pg), 39 blocks (1.2 pg), and 20 steals (0.6 pg), for an overall minus 32 (-1.0 pg).
A. Morrow: 74 TOs (2.1 pg), 20 blocks (0.6 pg), and 89 steals (2.5 pg), for an overall plus 35 (+1.0 pg).
A. Crooks: 98 TOs (2.9 pg), 25 blocks (0.7 pg), and 12 steals (0.3 pg), for an overall minus 61 (-1.9 pg).
S. Williams: 99 TOs (3.3 pg), 69 blocks (2.3 pg), and 33 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall plus 3 (+0.1 pg)

Here are how other AA-caliber players performed last year using the same metrics:
P. Bueckers: 50 TOs (1.3 pg), 29 blocks (0.8 pg), 81 steals (2.1 pg), for an overall plus 60 (+1.6 pg).
A. Fudd: 35 TOs (1.0 pg), 10 blocks (0.3 pg), 46 steals (1.4 pg), for an overall plus 21 (+0.7 pg).
J. Watkins: 105 TOs (3.2 pg), 58 blocks (1.8 pg), 72 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall plus 25 (+0.8 pg).
H. Hidalgo: 87 TOs (2.7 pg), 5 blocks (0.2 pg), 119 steals (3.7 pg), for an overall plus 37 (+1.2 pg).
O. Miles: 85 TOs (2.5 pg), 8 blocks (0.2 pg), 47 steals (1.4 pg), for an overall minus 30 (-0.9 pg).
S. Citron: 58 TOs (1.8 pg), 29 blocks (0.9 pg), 62 steals (1.9 pg), for an overall plus 33 (+1.0 pg).
M. Booker: 80 TOs (2.1 pg), 18 blocks (0.5 pg), 61 steals (1.6 pg), for an overall minus 1 (-0.0 pg).
R. Harmon: 76 TOs (1.9 pg), 3 blocks (0.3 pg), 84 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall plus 11 (+0.6 pg).
F. Johnson: 91 TOs (2.7 pg), 31 blocks (0.9 pg), 57 steals (1.7 pg), for an overall minus 3 (-0.1 pg).
M. Williams: 98 TOs (2.6 pg), 14 blocks (0.4 pg), 39 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall minus 45 (-1.1 pg).
K. Pierre: 58 TOs (1.8 pg), 8 blocks (0.3 pg), 94 steals (2.9 pg), for an overall plus 44 (+1.4 pg).
M. Blakes: 96 TOs (2.9 pg), 8 blocks (0.2 pg), 78 steals (2.4 pg), for an overall minus 10 (-0.3 pg).
T. Cooper: 120 TOs (3.5 pg), 25 blocks (0.7 pg), 105 steals (3.1 pg), for an overall plus 5 (+0.3 pg).
T. Latson: 89 TOs (3.1 pg), 14 blocks (0.5 pg), 63 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall minus 12 (-0.4 pg).
G. Amoore: 95 TOs (3.1 pg), 11 blocks (0.4 pg), 32 steals (1.0 pg), for an overall minus 52 (-1.7 pg).
G. Kneepkens: 75 TOs (2.4 pg), 8 blocks (0.3 pg), 32 steals (1.0 pg), for an overall minus 35 (-1.1 pg).

These figures underscore how elite our Super Soph Sarah Strong is among the best WCBB players.

 

[Bone Dog]

Bone dog, I agree with you. Additionally, with regards to Sarah, I am going to defend her one step further.

Rather than just evaluate her impressive assist-to-turnover ration, I think it is prudent and germane to also evaluate turnovers against steals and block shots. Turnovers forfeit scoring opportunities for one's team, the steals and blocks deny other teams' scoring opportunities. Hence, looking at those three stats together provides an alternative perspective to assists/turnover ratio. I think the combination tells an interesting, thought-provoking story.

Sarah's Fabulous Frosh year gave us 62 TOs (1.6 pg), 66 blocks (1.7 pg) and 92 steals (2.3 pg). In other words, 4.0 denials per game against 1.6 forfeitures, for an overall plus 96 of scoring opportunities (+2.4 pg).

Contrast that against other notable bigs performance last year:
L. Betts: 91 TOs (2.7 pg), 100 blocks (2.9 pg), and 31 steals (0.9 pg), for an overall plus 40 (+1.1 pg).
J. Edwards: 69 TOs (1.8 pg), 21 blocks (0.5 pg), and 42 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall minus 6 (-0.2 pg).
K. Iriafin: 85 TOs (2.4 pg), 22 blocks (0.6 pg), and 32 steals (0.9 pg) , for an overall minus 31 (-0.9 pg).
R. Beers: 91 TOs (2.8 pg), 39 blocks (1.2 pg), and 20 steals (0.6 pg), for an overall minus 32 (-1.0 pg).
A. Morrow: 74 TOs (2.1 pg), 20 blocks (0.6 pg), and 89 steals (2.5 pg), for an overall plus 35 (+1.0 pg).
A. Crooks: 98 TOs (2.9 pg), 25 blocks (0.7 pg), and 12 steals (0.3 pg), for an overall minus 61 (-1.9 pg).
S. Williams: 99 TOs (3.3 pg), 69 blocks (2.3 pg), and 33 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall plus 3 (+0.1 pg)

Here are how other AA-caliber players performed last year using the same metrics:
P. Bueckers: 50 TOs (1.3 pg), 29 blocks (0.8 pg), 81 steals (2.1 pg), for an overall plus 60 (+1.6 pg).
A. Fudd: 35 TOs (1.0 pg), 10 blocks (0.3 pg), 46 steals (1.4 pg), for an overall plus 21 (+0.7 pg).
J. Watkins: 105 TOs (3.2 pg), 58 blocks (1.8 pg), 72 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall plus 25 (+0.8 pg).
H. Hidalgo: 87 TOs (2.7 pg), 5 blocks (0.2 pg), 119 steals (3.7 pg), for an overall plus 37 (+1.2 pg).
O. Miles: 85 TOs (2.5 pg), 8 blocks (0.2 pg), 47 steals (1.4 pg), for an overall minus 30 (-0.9 pg).
S. Citron: 58 TOs (1.8 pg), 29 blocks (0.9 pg), 62 steals (1.9 pg), for an overall plus 33 (+1.0 pg).
M. Booker: 80 TOs (2.1 pg), 18 blocks (0.5 pg), 61 steals (1.6 pg), for an overall minus 1 (-0.0 pg).
R. Harmon: 76 TOs (1.9 pg), 3 blocks (0.3 pg), 84 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall plus 11 (+0.6 pg).
F. Johnson: 91 TOs (2.7 pg), 31 blocks (0.9 pg), 57 steals (1.7 pg), for an overall minus 3 (-0.1 pg).
M. Williams: 98 TOs (2.6 pg), 14 blocks (0.4 pg), 39 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall minus 45 (-1.1 pg).
K. Pierre: 58 TOs (1.8 pg), 8 blocks (0.3 pg), 94 steals (2.9 pg), for an overall plus 44 (+1.4 pg).
M. Blakes: 96 TOs (2.9 pg), 8 blocks (0.2 pg), 78 steals (2.4 pg), for an overall minus 10 (-0.3 pg).
T. Cooper: 120 TOs (3.5 pg), 25 blocks (0.7 pg), 105 steals (3.1 pg), for an overall plus 5 (+0.3 pg).
T. Latson: 89 TOs (3.1 pg), 14 blocks (0.5 pg), 63 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall minus 12 (-0.4 pg).
G. Amoore: 95 TOs (3.1 pg), 11 blocks (0.4 pg), 32 steals (1.0 pg), for an overall minus 52 (-1.7 pg).
G. Kneepkens: 75 TOs (2.4 pg), 8 blocks (0.3 pg), 32 steals (1.0 pg), for an overall minus 35 (-1.1 pg).

These figures underscore how elite our Super Soph Sarah Strong is among the best WCBB players.

Yikes! That's some excellent stat-snooping. Well Done!!!!!

I'm especially impressed by the first one concerning net scoring opportunities. Wow!

 

[Skeets]

Bone dog, I agree with you. Additionally, with regards to Sarah, I am going to defend her one step further.

Rather than just evaluate her impressive assist-to-turnover ration, I think it is prudent and germane to also evaluate turnovers against steals and block shots. Turnovers forfeit scoring opportunities for one's team, the steals and blocks deny other teams' scoring opportunities. Hence, looking at those three stats together provides an alternative perspective to assists/turnover ratio. I think the combination tells an interesting, thought-provoking story.

Sarah's Fabulous Frosh year gave us 62 TOs (1.6 pg), 66 blocks (1.7 pg) and 92 steals (2.3 pg). In other words, 4.0 denials per game against 1.6 forfeitures, for an overall plus 96 of scoring opportunities (+2.4 pg).

Contrast that against other notable bigs performance last year:
L. Betts: 91 TOs (2.7 pg), 100 blocks (2.9 pg), and 31 steals (0.9 pg), for an overall plus 40 (+1.1 pg).
J. Edwards: 69 TOs (1.8 pg), 21 blocks (0.5 pg), and 42 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall minus 6 (-0.2 pg).
K. Iriafin: 85 TOs (2.4 pg), 22 blocks (0.6 pg), and 32 steals (0.9 pg) , for an overall minus 31 (-0.9 pg).
R. Beers: 91 TOs (2.8 pg), 39 blocks (1.2 pg), and 20 steals (0.6 pg), for an overall minus 32 (-1.0 pg).
A. Morrow: 74 TOs (2.1 pg), 20 blocks (0.6 pg), and 89 steals (2.5 pg), for an overall plus 35 (+1.0 pg).
A. Crooks: 98 TOs (2.9 pg), 25 blocks (0.7 pg), and 12 steals (0.3 pg), for an overall minus 61 (-1.9 pg).
S. Williams: 99 TOs (3.3 pg), 69 blocks (2.3 pg), and 33 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall plus 3 (+0.1 pg)

Here are how other AA-caliber players performed last year using the same metrics:
P. Bueckers: 50 TOs (1.3 pg), 29 blocks (0.8 pg), 81 steals (2.1 pg), for an overall plus 60 (+1.6 pg).
A. Fudd: 35 TOs (1.0 pg), 10 blocks (0.3 pg), 46 steals (1.4 pg), for an overall plus 21 (+0.7 pg).
J. Watkins: 105 TOs (3.2 pg), 58 blocks (1.8 pg), 72 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall plus 25 (+0.8 pg).
H. Hidalgo: 87 TOs (2.7 pg), 5 blocks (0.2 pg), 119 steals (3.7 pg), for an overall plus 37 (+1.2 pg).
O. Miles: 85 TOs (2.5 pg), 8 blocks (0.2 pg), 47 steals (1.4 pg), for an overall minus 30 (-0.9 pg).
S. Citron: 58 TOs (1.8 pg), 29 blocks (0.9 pg), 62 steals (1.9 pg), for an overall plus 33 (+1.0 pg).
M. Booker: 80 TOs (2.1 pg), 18 blocks (0.5 pg), 61 steals (1.6 pg), for an overall minus 1 (-0.0 pg).
R. Harmon: 76 TOs (1.9 pg), 3 blocks (0.3 pg), 84 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall plus 11 (+0.6 pg).
F. Johnson: 91 TOs (2.7 pg), 31 blocks (0.9 pg), 57 steals (1.7 pg), for an overall minus 3 (-0.1 pg).
M. Williams: 98 TOs (2.6 pg), 14 blocks (0.4 pg), 39 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall minus 45 (-1.1 pg).
K. Pierre: 58 TOs (1.8 pg), 8 blocks (0.3 pg), 94 steals (2.9 pg), for an overall plus 44 (+1.4 pg).
M. Blakes: 96 TOs (2.9 pg), 8 blocks (0.2 pg), 78 steals (2.4 pg), for an overall minus 10 (-0.3 pg).
T. Cooper: 120 TOs (3.5 pg), 25 blocks (0.7 pg), 105 steals (3.1 pg), for an overall plus 5 (+0.3 pg).
T. Latson: 89 TOs (3.1 pg), 14 blocks (0.5 pg), 63 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall minus 12 (-0.4 pg).
G. Amoore: 95 TOs (3.1 pg), 11 blocks (0.4 pg), 32 steals (1.0 pg), for an overall minus 52 (-1.7 pg).
G. Kneepkens: 75 TOs (2.4 pg), 8 blocks (0.3 pg), 32 steals (1.0 pg), for an overall minus 35 (-1.1 pg).

These figures underscore how elite our Super Soph Sarah Strong is among the best WCBB players.

Wow, either you have WAY too much time on your hands or you have an excellent source for this information. In any event using this approach, Sarah's numbers are very impressive. Somehow rebounds need to be worked into the equation as they are a more definitive denial than a block.

Also, guards will tend to have higher TOs and higher assists than front court players. That ratio needs to be worked into the equation.

 

[HopJim]

Bone dog, I agree with you. Additionally, with regards to Sarah, I am going to defend her one step further.

Rather than just evaluate her impressive assist-to-turnover ration, I think it is prudent and germane to also evaluate turnovers against steals and block shots. Turnovers forfeit scoring opportunities for one's team, the steals and blocks deny other teams' scoring opportunities. Hence, looking at those three stats together provides an alternative perspective to assists/turnover ratio. I think the combination tells an interesting, thought-provoking story.

Sarah's Fabulous Frosh year gave us 62 TOs (1.6 pg), 66 blocks (1.7 pg) and 92 steals (2.3 pg). In other words, 4.0 denials per game against 1.6 forfeitures, for an overall plus 96 of scoring opportunities (+2.4 pg).

Contrast that against other notable bigs performance last year:
L. Betts: 91 TOs (2.7 pg), 100 blocks (2.9 pg), and 31 steals (0.9 pg), for an overall plus 40 (+1.1 pg).
J. Edwards: 69 TOs (1.8 pg), 21 blocks (0.5 pg), and 42 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall minus 6 (-0.2 pg).
K. Iriafin: 85 TOs (2.4 pg), 22 blocks (0.6 pg), and 32 steals (0.9 pg) , for an overall minus 31 (-0.9 pg).
R. Beers: 91 TOs (2.8 pg), 39 blocks (1.2 pg), and 20 steals (0.6 pg), for an overall minus 32 (-1.0 pg).
A. Morrow: 74 TOs (2.1 pg), 20 blocks (0.6 pg), and 89 steals (2.5 pg), for an overall plus 35 (+1.0 pg).
A. Crooks: 98 TOs (2.9 pg), 25 blocks (0.7 pg), and 12 steals (0.3 pg), for an overall minus 61 (-1.9 pg).
S. Williams: 99 TOs (3.3 pg), 69 blocks (2.3 pg), and 33 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall plus 3 (+0.1 pg)

Here are how other AA-caliber players performed last year using the same metrics:
P. Bueckers: 50 TOs (1.3 pg), 29 blocks (0.8 pg), 81 steals (2.1 pg), for an overall plus 60 (+1.6 pg).
A. Fudd: 35 TOs (1.0 pg), 10 blocks (0.3 pg), 46 steals (1.4 pg), for an overall plus 21 (+0.7 pg).
J. Watkins: 105 TOs (3.2 pg), 58 blocks (1.8 pg), 72 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall plus 25 (+0.8 pg).
H. Hidalgo: 87 TOs (2.7 pg), 5 blocks (0.2 pg), 119 steals (3.7 pg), for an overall plus 37 (+1.2 pg).
O. Miles: 85 TOs (2.5 pg), 8 blocks (0.2 pg), 47 steals (1.4 pg), for an overall minus 30 (-0.9 pg).
S. Citron: 58 TOs (1.8 pg), 29 blocks (0.9 pg), 62 steals (1.9 pg), for an overall plus 33 (+1.0 pg).
M. Booker: 80 TOs (2.1 pg), 18 blocks (0.5 pg), 61 steals (1.6 pg), for an overall minus 1 (-0.0 pg).
R. Harmon: 76 TOs (1.9 pg), 3 blocks (0.3 pg), 84 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall plus 11 (+0.6 pg).
F. Johnson: 91 TOs (2.7 pg), 31 blocks (0.9 pg), 57 steals (1.7 pg), for an overall minus 3 (-0.1 pg).
M. Williams: 98 TOs (2.6 pg), 14 blocks (0.4 pg), 39 steals (1.1 pg), for an overall minus 45 (-1.1 pg).
K. Pierre: 58 TOs (1.8 pg), 8 blocks (0.3 pg), 94 steals (2.9 pg), for an overall plus 44 (+1.4 pg).
M. Blakes: 96 TOs (2.9 pg), 8 blocks (0.2 pg), 78 steals (2.4 pg), for an overall minus 10 (-0.3 pg).
T. Cooper: 120 TOs (3.5 pg), 25 blocks (0.7 pg), 105 steals (3.1 pg), for an overall plus 5 (+0.3 pg).
T. Latson: 89 TOs (3.1 pg), 14 blocks (0.5 pg), 63 steals (2.2 pg), for an overall minus 12 (-0.4 pg).
G. Amoore: 95 TOs (3.1 pg), 11 blocks (0.4 pg), 32 steals (1.0 pg), for an overall minus 52 (-1.7 pg).
G. Kneepkens: 75 TOs (2.4 pg), 8 blocks (0.3 pg), 32 steals (1.0 pg), for an overall minus 35 (-1.1 pg).

These figures underscore how elite our Super Soph Sarah Strong is among the best WCBB players.

Sarah touched the ball almost every trip down the floor. Not sure we want Blanca to play this role.

 

[YKCornelius]

Wow, either you have WAY too much time on your hands or you have an excellent source for this information. In any event using this approach, Sarah's numbers are very impressive. Somehow rebounds need to be worked into the equation as they are a more definitive denial than a block.

Also, guards will tend to have higher TOs and higher assists than front court players. That ratio needs to be worked into the equation.

Skeets, a rebound is "a more definitive denial than a block"? Please explain.

First, I presume you are referring to only defensive boards, since an offensive rebound doesn't deny anything but rather continues the possession for one's team.

Second, I also presume your stance is that a defensive rebound ends the opponent's possession, thereby closing the door on any subsequent opportunity. Hmmmm.....not the same as denying a scoring opportunity in my opinion, but an interesting concept nonetheless.

Mathematically I supposed someone should be able to create an algorithm to quantify the impact of a defensive rebound into the score of a game. And while they are at it, perhaps look at blocks that culminate with a defensive rebound - now that would be a definitive denial!

The source of my information was ESPN's WCBB stat leaders page(s) for 2024-25. That said, I didn't crosscheck the figures with sports-reference.com, since the missus is trying to limit my on-line time......😆