Bill Self

[uconnfan68]

They don’t get Duke Kentucky type classes.

But they take them.

 

[John]

Wait did someone mention Bill Self and Kansas? Let me tell you about Bill Self and Kansas:

2003
Darnell Jackson becomes Self’s first commit to Kansas as after receiving over $5,000 in improper benefits during his recruitment. Kurtis Townsend hired as assistant basketball coach. Townsend’s experience includes being a member of the staff at California (1993-1997) during one of the largest NCAA recruiting violation investigations in history which landed the school on 3 years probation.

2004
Departing players receive customary graduation checks from appreciative boosters. Team sets off on illegally organized barnstorming tour where they receive the gate money to supplement their income. Kurtis Townsend hired as assistant basketball coach. Townsend’s experience includes being a member of the staff at California (1993-1997) during one of the largest NCAA recruiting violation investigations in history which landed the school on 3 years probation.

2005
In June, Kansas athletic department receives anonymous tip regarding improprieties centering around J.R. Giddens and NCAA recruiting violations.

Kansas announces that it also discovered that its basketball staff had traditionally engaged in a practice of allowing monetary payments to graduating players and other Jayhawk players who had exhausted their eligibility by boosters in violation of NCAA rules. A self-imposed two year probation is levied against their athletic department. Other sanctions are levied against women’s basketball and men’s football. Curiously, men’s basketball escapes all (self-imposed) punishment.

Darnell Jackson ruled ineligible by NCAA Eligibility Committee for 9 games for receipt of $5,000 in benefits from a Kansas booster over a three year period while being recruited by Kansas.

2006
Reports surface regarding NCAA investigation into potential violations involving Kansas freshman Brandon Rush. The potential violations centered around Rush’s involvement with an agent and possible payment of travel expenses by NBA teams the previous summer during Rush’s workouts with the teams.

The NCAA suspends Brandon Rush after the NCAA determined that he had improperly received benefits from an agent after applying for the 2005 NBA draft.

Kansas placed on probation for major violations across multiple sports and for Lack of Institutional Control. The selection is the 5th for the KU’s men’s team, no other men’s basketball team in history has more NCAA probations. Kansas is charged with:

• Illegal payments given to potential recruit in excess of $5,000
• Tickets illegally given to recruits to sit behind the bench at NCAA tournament games
• Money funneled to current student athletes through illegal barnstorming gate money
• Illegal payments given to players after eligibility is exhausted with approval of the coaching staff through a network of alumni
• Providing illegal transportation to recruits
• Providing illegal clothing and other benefits to recruits
• Providing illegal transportation to family members of recruits
• Making special arrangements to facilitate a vehicle for family members of recruits
• Failure to report violations
• Failure to employ a compliance auditor
• Negligence to provide adequate oversight
• Violation of probationary period and deemed a Repeat Offender Lack of Institutional Control. NCAA hands out punishment of three years probation.

2008
Brandon Rush arrested for failing to appear in court. The hearing is ultimately delayed until after the basketball season so that his on court production is unaffected.

Sherron Collins is accused of sexually assaulting a woman in an elevator. The authorities and coaching staff are made aware of the incident. A judge rules in favor of the women Sherron Collins sexually assaulted in an elevator in May of 2007, granting damagers in excess of $75,000. Despite the incident occurring roughly a year earlier, it is the first time the case is made public, allowing Collins to participate in the entire 2007-08 season without missing any playing time.

Reports surface that Darell Arthur, KU’s leading scorer in the championship game, did not legitimately graduate from high school and passed through the NCAA clearinghouse by submitting fraudulent transcripts. The school district that provided fraudulent transcripts for Darell Arthur for passing grades in classes not attended and work not done conducts and internal investigation on itself. Surprisingly, they find themselves not guilty.

It becomes apparent that key recruits the Morris twins are not going to qualify academically. Faced with the proposition of having only 1 player on the roster over 6’7, Self arranges for the Morris twins to finish up their high school classes in Lawrence.

2009
During a ‘no contact period’ as defined by NCAA rules, Self pays a visit to the #1 unsigned recruit in the nation John Wall, and states in front of witnesses:
Self: "I'm not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win." Demonstrating quite the bravado and respect for NCAA regulations for someone piloting a program on serious probation.

Confirmation comes in the Darell Arthur case, that his grades were artificially changed and that his ‘graduation’ from high school wasn’t legit. His high school vacates their state championship for using ineligible players. KU never sanctioned.

Markieff Morris is the driver in a two car accident. Neither himself nor the 16 year old female he is transporting are injured, but the car is registered to former NBA and ku player Scott Pollard. With only 4 days remaining on their probationary period, another potential violation is uncovered if a booster is providing improper transportation benefits to a student athlete. As the incident is being reported, Pollard himself calls up in an attempt to intimidate the host into an apology and instead engages the host in a shouting match and is informed he “is a badass.” Pollard explains he ‘sold’ the car to Morris’s teammate Tyshawn Taylor and was unaware of the accident even though he is still listed as the vehicle’s owner and claims he took the car’s license plates off at the date of the sale.

2010-11
IRS and Federal Investigators are looking into illegal practices within the KU ticket office, involving Lew Perkins. KU issues its own self report on the ticket scandal. For a period of at least 8 years approximately 4,000 to 6,000 basketball tickets per year were being improperly distributed, which equates to as many as 300 tickets per game. The KC Star exposes that in addition to his other examples of gross negligence and abuses of power Lew Perkins has been billing obscene amounts of travel expenses back to ku alumni and taxpayers due to his personal view of self importance. He charged the athletic department more than $150,000 from July 2008 to May 2010 for 22 flights on university-owned and leased planes, at times for such vital trips as visiting relatives or picking up his dog.

Reporter notes that Josh Selby drives a light blue Mercedes Benz eventually discoved to belong to Adidas representative Scottie Bowen. NCAA determines that he received $4,607.58 in improper benefits which include clothes, transportation, meals and lodging for Selby and his family. The NCAA suspends him for 9 regular season games of his freshman year, citing a rule that impermissible benefits in excess of $1,000 equates to a 30% of games suspension. The impermissible benefits total nearly $1,000 less in value than what was uncovered in Darnell Jackson’s ultimate 9 game suspension, and only about $4,200 more than what was uncovered in 2004 investigation that led to 3 years of probation and an off campus recruiting ban. Despite being cleared academically on Sept 7th, Selby elects to not attend classes until October 27th. Despite missing basically half of the first semester, he obtains a 3.0 GPA.

Sophomore point guard Elijah Johnson is arrested for neglecting to pay parking tickets. The incident stemmed from several months prior, and Johnson was falsely under the belief that societal norms did not apply to him while he still retained eligibility. He played in ku’s game the next day and will not face team discipline. "He hasn't done anything wrong," Self said of his arrested player.

Less than one month after his arrest for battery and criminal trespassing and damage, Mario Little is re-instated to the basketball team.

Yabut what's thier APR?

 

[huskyrob1]

I will start this off by saying that I know Bill Self is in the hall of fame, and if Bill Self retired tomorrow, he does not have anything else to prove to anybody from a basketball perspective, but this guy is not a big time coach. Hes getting blown out by 25 at the half vs Auburn, he got blown out by Villanova last year in the Final Four, he got upset by Northern Iowa in the second round in 2010. I know he dominates the regular season and the Big 12 which is hard to do, and hes still youg with a lot of years left to redeem himself, but hes had a lot of failures in March for somebody whos supposed to be a big time hall of fame coach.

He is a big time coach with a big time closet right next to the practice facility...............

 

[kansashusky]

Anyone that trashes on Bill Self simply doesn’t know anything about basketball. Also, if you call him a cheater, you have to label Calhoun a cheater as well.

 

[superjohn]

I’m sure superjohn the Boneyard cop will say this is stupid but it wasn’t exactly a huge secret in Lawrence that Self didn’t really want Vick back this year.

This is what it looks like when someone is in your head.

Of course I know Self didn't want Vick back as it was public knowledge. Don't know what that has to do with them losing 2 of their top 3 scorers and them being worse off for it.

I watch games with a KU guy who is connected to both the KU and K State programs, if you want any behind the scenes info just reach out.

 

[intlzncster]

Look, if you are firing Bill Self, then you are firing damn near every coach in the country but 4 or 5.

His record is as good as it gets, outside of like 2 or 3 other programs, depending on your metrics.

 

[the Q]

Look, if you are firing Bill Self, then you are firing damn near every coach in the country but 4 or 5.

His record is as good as it gets, outside of like 2 or 3 other programs, depending on your metrics.

It’s amazing to think that he’s probably underachieved anyway.

But yeah, I’m not firing him.

 

[huskyrob1]

Anyone that trashes on Bill Self simply doesn’t know anything about basketball. Also, if you call him a cheater, you have to label Calhoun a cheater as well.

Lol............Self makes Calipari and Pitino look like choirboys, and Calhoun did more (four NC's) with less than any college basketball coach in history.

 

[intlzncster]

It’s amazing to think that he’s probably underachieved anyway.

But yeah, I’m not firing him.

Probably true, but I'll take that kind of 'underachievement' going forward any time.

 

[Bulldog]

Wait did someone mention Bill Self and Kansas? Let me tell you about Bill Self and Kansas:

2003
Darnell Jackson becomes Self’s first commit to Kansas as after receiving over $5,000 in improper benefits during his recruitment. Kurtis Townsend hired as assistant basketball coach. Townsend’s experience includes being a member of the staff at California (1993-1997) during one of the largest NCAA recruiting violation investigations in history which landed the school on 3 years probation.

2004
Departing players receive customary graduation checks from appreciative boosters. Team sets off on illegally organized barnstorming tour where they receive the gate money to supplement their income. Kurtis Townsend hired as assistant basketball coach. Townsend’s experience includes being a member of the staff at California (1993-1997) during one of the largest NCAA recruiting violation investigations in history which landed the school on 3 years probation.

2005
In June, Kansas athletic department receives anonymous tip regarding improprieties centering around J.R. Giddens and NCAA recruiting violations.

Kansas announces that it also discovered that its basketball staff had traditionally engaged in a practice of allowing monetary payments to graduating players and other Jayhawk players who had exhausted their eligibility by boosters in violation of NCAA rules. A self-imposed two year probation is levied against their athletic department. Other sanctions are levied against women’s basketball and men’s football. Curiously, men’s basketball escapes all (self-imposed) punishment.

Darnell Jackson ruled ineligible by NCAA Eligibility Committee for 9 games for receipt of $5,000 in benefits from a Kansas booster over a three year period while being recruited by Kansas.

2006
Reports surface regarding NCAA investigation into potential violations involving Kansas freshman Brandon Rush. The potential violations centered around Rush’s involvement with an agent and possible payment of travel expenses by NBA teams the previous summer during Rush’s workouts with the teams.

The NCAA suspends Brandon Rush after the NCAA determined that he had improperly received benefits from an agent after applying for the 2005 NBA draft.

Kansas placed on probation for major violations across multiple sports and for Lack of Institutional Control. The selection is the 5th for the KU’s men’s team, no other men’s basketball team in history has more NCAA probations. Kansas is charged with:

• Illegal payments given to potential recruit in excess of $5,000
• Tickets illegally given to recruits to sit behind the bench at NCAA tournament games
• Money funneled to current student athletes through illegal barnstorming gate money
• Illegal payments given to players after eligibility is exhausted with approval of the coaching staff through a network of alumni
• Providing illegal transportation to recruits
• Providing illegal clothing and other benefits to recruits
• Providing illegal transportation to family members of recruits
• Making special arrangements to facilitate a vehicle for family members of recruits
• Failure to report violations
• Failure to employ a compliance auditor
• Negligence to provide adequate oversight
• Violation of probationary period and deemed a Repeat Offender Lack of Institutional Control. NCAA hands out punishment of three years probation.

2008
Brandon Rush arrested for failing to appear in court. The hearing is ultimately delayed until after the basketball season so that his on court production is unaffected.

Sherron Collins is accused of sexually assaulting a woman in an elevator. The authorities and coaching staff are made aware of the incident. A judge rules in favor of the women Sherron Collins sexually assaulted in an elevator in May of 2007, granting damagers in excess of $75,000. Despite the incident occurring roughly a year earlier, it is the first time the case is made public, allowing Collins to participate in the entire 2007-08 season without missing any playing time.

Reports surface that Darell Arthur, KU’s leading scorer in the championship game, did not legitimately graduate from high school and passed through the NCAA clearinghouse by submitting fraudulent transcripts. The school district that provided fraudulent transcripts for Darell Arthur for passing grades in classes not attended and work not done conducts and internal investigation on itself. Surprisingly, they find themselves not guilty.

It becomes apparent that key recruits the Morris twins are not going to qualify academically. Faced with the proposition of having only 1 player on the roster over 6’7, Self arranges for the Morris twins to finish up their high school classes in Lawrence.

2009
During a ‘no contact period’ as defined by NCAA rules, Self pays a visit to the #1 unsigned recruit in the nation John Wall, and states in front of witnesses:
Self: "I'm not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win." Demonstrating quite the bravado and respect for NCAA regulations for someone piloting a program on serious probation.

Confirmation comes in the Darell Arthur case, that his grades were artificially changed and that his ‘graduation’ from high school wasn’t legit. His high school vacates their state championship for using ineligible players. KU never sanctioned.

Markieff Morris is the driver in a two car accident. Neither himself nor the 16 year old female he is transporting are injured, but the car is registered to former NBA and ku player Scott Pollard. With only 4 days remaining on their probationary period, another potential violation is uncovered if a booster is providing improper transportation benefits to a student athlete. As the incident is being reported, Pollard himself calls up in an attempt to intimidate the host into an apology and instead engages the host in a shouting match and is informed he “is a badass.” Pollard explains he ‘sold’ the car to Morris’s teammate Tyshawn Taylor and was unaware of the accident even though he is still listed as the vehicle’s owner and claims he took the car’s license plates off at the date of the sale.

2010-11
IRS and Federal Investigators are looking into illegal practices within the KU ticket office, involving Lew Perkins. KU issues its own self report on the ticket scandal. For a period of at least 8 years approximately 4,000 to 6,000 basketball tickets per year were being improperly distributed, which equates to as many as 300 tickets per game. The KC Star exposes that in addition to his other examples of gross negligence and abuses of power Lew Perkins has been billing obscene amounts of travel expenses back to ku alumni and taxpayers due to his personal view of self importance. He charged the athletic department more than $150,000 from July 2008 to May 2010 for 22 flights on university-owned and leased planes, at times for such vital trips as visiting relatives or picking up his dog.

Reporter notes that Josh Selby drives a light blue Mercedes Benz eventually discoved to belong to Adidas representative Scottie Bowen. NCAA determines that he received $4,607.58 in improper benefits which include clothes, transportation, meals and lodging for Selby and his family. The NCAA suspends him for 9 regular season games of his freshman year, citing a rule that impermissible benefits in excess of $1,000 equates to a 30% of games suspension. The impermissible benefits total nearly $1,000 less in value than what was uncovered in Darnell Jackson’s ultimate 9 game suspension, and only about $4,200 more than what was uncovered in 2004 investigation that led to 3 years of probation and an off campus recruiting ban. Despite being cleared academically on Sept 7th, Selby elects to not attend classes until October 27th. Despite missing basically half of the first semester, he obtains a 3.0 GPA.

Sophomore point guard Elijah Johnson is arrested for neglecting to pay parking tickets. The incident stemmed from several months prior, and Johnson was falsely under the belief that societal norms did not apply to him while he still retained eligibility. He played in ku’s game the next day and will not face team discipline. "He hasn't done anything wrong," Self said of his arrested player.

Less than one month after his arrest for battery and criminal trespassing and damage, Mario Little is re-instated to the basketball team.

Your post is longer than the Mueller Report. Can someone please give us a summary?

 

[intlzncster]

Your post is longer than the Mueller Report. Can someone please give us a summary?

It's actually a good read tho.

 

[kansashusky]

Lol..Self makes Calipari and Pitino look like choirboys, and Calhoun did more (four NC's) with less than any college basketball coach in history.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. And Calhoun didn’t win four NC. I am not comparing their coaching abilities either, but Self has never been suspended from coaching or had a reduction of scholarships.

 

[intlzncster]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. And Calhoun didn’t win four NC. I am not comparing their coaching abilities either, but Self has never been suspended from coaching or had a reduction of scholarships.

Well than Kansas is prime example of the NCAA burying it's head in the sand for the good ol' boys. Talk to @CL82: on Bill Self

 

[Travelman6]

Your post is longer than the Mueller Report. Can someone please give us a summary?

It takes like 90 seconds to read. People don't read anymore, do they? Kind of scary.

 

[huskyrob1]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. And Calhoun didn’t win four NC. I am not comparing their coaching abilities either, but Self has never been suspended from coaching or had a reduction of scholarships.

Yeah, and Al Capone was never arrested for murder, racketteering, or bootlegging. Lol

The fourth NC was Calhoun's, his players, his assistants, his team.

 

[Travelman6]

Yeah, and Al Capone was never arrested for murder, racketteering, or bootlegging. Lol

The fourth NC was Calhoun's, his players, his assistants, his team.

I could be wrong but didn't Calhoun work hard behind the scenes as a way to integrate Ollie into the position? Like as a consultant. Then Ollie told him, more or less to take a hike after the 'ship and their relationship took a serious dive from 2015 on. Again, thought I heard that, not sure.

 

[Jaker]

Calhoun bent the rules where possible and won titles, all that matters.

 

[Burnsbros23]

Bill self to the NBA is a rumor in coaching circles. People think the FBI is coming down on them soon.

 

[kansashusky]

Well than Kansas is prime example of the NCAA burying it's head in the sand for the good ol' boys. Talk to @CL82: on Bill Self

You do realize I could write the same thing for UConn correct?

 

[John]

You do realize I could write the same thing for UConn correct?

UConn was a whipping boy, not a good ol' boy

 

[superjohn]

You do realize I could write the same thing for UConn correct?

You really can't though. We've had plenty of players screw up, it happens and we certainly aren't choir boys but if UConn did the stuff Kansas did we probably would've gotten the death penalty by now.

 

[August_West]

Anyone that trashes on Bill Self simply doesn’t know anything about basketball. Also, if you call him a cheater, you have to label Calhoun a cheater as well.

It seems that you picked the wrong day to say that.

Bill Self Caught On Tape Sneaker Gate

 

[kansashusky]

You really can't though. We've had plenty of players screw up, it happens and we certainly aren't choir boys but if UConn did the stuff Kansas did we probably would've gotten the death penalty by now.

probably would've for sure.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It seems that you picked the wrong day to say that.

Bill Self Caught On Tape Sneaker Gate

Well played.

I have no idea what any of these programs have or have not done. I basically think CBB is a cesspool of its own, and should just bring payments into the open. That will come.

But the things CL82 wrote up were a long list of violations for which the NCAA did impose penalties. KU certainly got hit in the wake of Larry Brown.

 

[Scrutiner]

See the post on

You do realize I could write the same thing for UConn correct?

If you believe you have the relevant facts you should write one for UConn so we can compare the level and severity of infractions.