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Maybe but everything right now is just talk. We need to play the games to see if we have multiple draft picks at the end of the year, if we play zone, if we go deeper with playing time, if Jackson is a good starting point guard, if we run a lot, if he keeps Donovan in the paint on defense...
These are great options for new pet peeves if we drop the hard hedge!
In all seriousness tho it does seem like Hurley is trying to be more flexible with his mindset which is obviously going to be tough for him. I’m hoping he shows some more growth as a coach. It seems like he wants to get there.
 
Is being picked 4th a reflection of the coaching or perceived ability of the players?
If I were to guess it is largely a function of how many points (and minutes) per game from last season are gone. Cole, Tyrese, Whaley, Polley our a huge loss. I like what we’ve picked up to replace them, but they are unproven as a team. Fourth is an entirely fair pic given that circumstance. I believe we will outperform it, perhaps significantly.
 
A lotta people are going to have to find a new pet peeve around here!
I’m thinking that won’t be a problem.
i don't know idk GIF by Robert E Blackmon
 
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Interesting comments from McDermott about NIL and the transfer portal. I wonder what percentage of high D1 coaches feel the same way.

“Before NIL and immediate eligibility we were thinking two years ahead with transfers because they had to sit a year,” he said. “Now if you have a need like we did this year, you can go and get it. I mean we brought Baylor Scheierman who fits perfectly with that piece we were missing. The transfer portal makes you think differently but I still want to maintain the ability to build a program. As soon as you totally commit to the transfer portal and get away from recruiting high school players you get in a cycle of building a new team every year, rather than building a program. I got into this business because I enjoy building a program. If it ever gets to the point where I’m forced to build a new team each year, that’s when I’ll probably go play golf for a living.”

If that didn't drive home McDermott's thoughts on the prospects of being betrothed to the the portal, he added on.

“The transfer portal is not why I got into this business,” he continued. “We’ve adjusted and learned from it, but I like watching a player grow from freshman year on. Like watching Ryan Kalkbrenner make the jump he made and continue to improve over the course of his sophomore year as he heads into his junior year. Not just watching changes on the basketball floor, but watching his comfortability talking to you guys compared to a year ago when he was here.

“You watch young people grow up and help them turn into a better version of themselves and hopefully some of the things they learn in our program can help them be successful adults. I think that takes time and I enjoy that part of my job. I like watching them grow up in front of my eyes. If you get married to the transfer portal you lose that.”


 
What does fighting the good fight mean? Doesn't sound positive. I do hope Akok makes a splash
I think he's still trying to get his explosiveness back post-achilles. That's a brutal injury for basketball players. In a way you'd almost rather tear your ACL considering the relative recovery - to - previous - form rates.
 
Interesting comments from McDermott about NIL and the transfer portal. I wonder what percentage of high D1 coaches feel the same way.

“Before NIL and immediate eligibility we were thinking two years ahead with transfers because they had to sit a year,” he said. “Now if you have a need like we did this year, you can go and get it. I mean we brought Baylor Scheierman who fits perfectly with that piece we were missing. The transfer portal makes you think differently but I still want to maintain the ability to build a program. As soon as you totally commit to the transfer portal and get away from recruiting high school players you get in a cycle of building a new team every year, rather than building a program. I got into this business because I enjoy building a program. If it ever gets to the point where I’m forced to build a new team each year, that’s when I’ll probably go play golf for a living.”

If that didn't drive home McDermott's thoughts on the prospects of being betrothed to the the portal, he added on.

“The transfer portal is not why I got into this business,” he continued. “We’ve adjusted and learned from it, but I like watching a player grow from freshman year on. Like watching Ryan Kalkbrenner make the jump he made and continue to improve over the course of his sophomore year as he heads into his junior year. Not just watching changes on the basketball floor, but watching his comfortability talking to you guys compared to a year ago when he was here.

“You watch young people grow up and help them turn into a better version of themselves and hopefully some of the things they learn in our program can help them be successful adults. I think that takes time and I enjoy that part of my job. I like watching them grow up in front of my eyes. If you get married to the transfer portal you lose that.”


I think there are broadly two types of coaches in CBB these days:

1) Guys like McD - and I think Hurley to a degree - who really are committed to teaching and developing recruits from the ground up, and have embraced the transfer portal as a necessary means to end of modern roster construction;

2) The more....'mercenary' guys like Calipari, Pearl, et al who will actively recruit the portal as a means to improve their team, whether or not the transferring player aces out one of their recruits.

I expect Case 2 to become the norm rather than exception at most perennial top 10 programs, think your KU, Kentucky, UNC etc (I'm thinking more about BB budgeting and coach salary here, so a lot of $ at stake) and so on. My hope, and it's probably not a valid hope, is that Hurley can maintain that balance as he continues to move the program forward. Of course, we did have a good amount of transfer in/out this past offseason and we will probably never know if the guys we lost were 'voluntary' or.....weeded out. And maybe we probably don't need to.
 
I think there are broadly two types of coaches in CBB these days:

1) Guys like McD - and I think Hurley to a degree - who really are committed to teaching and developing recruits from the ground up, and have embraced the transfer portal as a necessary means to end of modern roster construction;

2) The more....'mercenary' guys like Calipari, Pearl, et al who will actively recruit the portal as a means to improve their team, whether or not the transferring player aces out one of their recruits.

I expect Case 2 to become the norm rather than exception at most perennial top 10 programs, think your KU, Kentucky, UNC etc (I'm thinking more about BB budgeting and coach salary here, so a lot of $ at stake) and so on. My hope, and it's probably not a valid hope, is that Hurley can maintain that balance as he continues to move the program forward. Of course, we did have a good amount of transfer in/out this past offseason and we will probably never know if the guys we lost were 'voluntary' or.....weeded out. And maybe we probably don't need to.

Curious why you say, “to a degree”? Hurley’s been pretty clear that his preference is and always has been to recruit and develop. People were mad before when he didn’t push out guys like Whaley (Whaley! Imagine that!) or Springs or whoever. But, everyone now realizes that you can’t do just that and completely ignore transfers or you’ll get left behind. They have five freshmen coming in next season. Programs who are going to go transfer crazy don’t do that.
 
Curious why you say, “to a degree”? Hurley’s been pretty clear that his preference is and always has been to recruit and develop. People were mad before when he didn’t push out guys like Whaley (Whaley! Imagine that!) or Springs or whoever. But, everyone now realizes that you can’t do just that and completely ignore transfers or you’ll get left behind. They have five freshmen coming in next season. Programs who are going to go transfer crazy don’t do that.
Eh we’ve brought in 4 freshman twice since Hurley has been here and that didn’t stop this off season from happening. Hurley is definitely transfer portal friendly currently. Maybe that changes after this upcoming class?

That article was spot on on how it’s hard to build a program with transfers. With Calhoun it always seemed like upperclassman taught young guys the UConn way (especially PG wise) that kept that position so damn good year in and out. It’s hard to do that with guys constantly coming in and out. This current roster will not have one Hurley recruited PG (unless you want to count Andre). Again, hope that changes with 2023.
 
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Always thought that Dan Hurley was a reluctant participant in the portal era of recruiting until this past year with the turnover we experienced in our roster. His loyalty to players recruited by previous coaches and integrating them into his plans/rosters was admirable. His current staff has clearly shown they can close on targets and recruit UConn-type players.

I do think he enjoys the roster building of a Program over year-to- year "free agency" as does McD.. Old School program-building vs New School portal craziness. Trying to blend the two to restore the UConn brand.. Survival
 
Always thought that Dan Hurley was a reluctant participant in the portal era of recruiting until this past year with the turnover we experienced in our roster. His loyalty to players recruited by previous coaches and integrating them into his plans/rosters was admirable. His current staff has clearly shown they can close on targets and recruit UConn-type players.

I do think he enjoys the roster building of a Program over year-to- year "free agency" as does McD.. Old School program-building vs New School portal craziness. Trying to blend the two to restore the UConn brand.. Survival
2 of our best players were transfers last year. One was brought in to play over his recruited PG. We really just can’t say that program building is a thing right now after we pretty much replaced 4 of his own recruits with transfers this year too.
 
You are correct about Dan Hurley having transfers as 2 of our best players last year.. He had a high degree of familiarity with both of those guys. One a former player of his and another a star PG for his Dad in HS.

IMO.. Dan Hurley gets it with the necessity for portal recruiting in the new NCAA.. I still believe he enjoys program building through recruiting.. Replacing 4 of his own recruits with transfers was out of necessity (based on the time of year of those departures-end of season) . Just think he's more aligned with McD's comments than not
 
Eh we’ve brought in 4 freshman twice since Hurley has been here and that didn’t stop this off season from happening. Hurley is definitely transfer portal friendly currently. Maybe that changes after this upcoming class?

That article was spot on on how it’s hard to build a program with transfers. With Calhoun it always seemed like upperclassman taught young guys the UConn way (especially PG wise) that kept that position so damn good year in and out. It’s hard to do that with guys constantly coming in and out. This current roster will not have one Hurley recruited PG (unless you want to count Andre). Again, hope that changes with 2023.

Eh, it might help for you to consider things in context a bit, such as when players were recruited and when immediate eligibility for transfers became a thing. I know it’s your thing, but references to Calhoun in this context do not make sense given what college basketball is like. It’s interesting to consider how many of these former coaches would’ve pulled a Wright if they were working today. Fans can keep pining for how things used to be and refuse to see how it really is, but coaches have to keep up. My guess is that about 90% of coaches in the game would prefer to recruit and develop. McDermott’s hailed as the defender of recruit and develop but signed one of the best transfers available for this season. I guess he should have lamented how different things are now and just kept that spot open.
 
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Eh we’ve brought in 4 freshman twice since Hurley has been here and that didn’t stop this off season from happening. Hurley is definitely transfer portal friendly currently. Maybe that changes after this upcoming class?

That article was spot on on how it’s hard to build a program with transfers. With Calhoun it always seemed like upperclassman taught young guys the UConn way (especially PG wise) that kept that position so damn good year in and out. It’s hard to do that with guys constantly coming in and out. This current roster will not have one Hurley recruited PG (unless you want to count Andre). Again, hope that changes with 2023.
There’s a whole lot more nuance to the conversation that you are leaving out. It is obvious to anyone except maybe you that Hurley is a program builder. I think to his credit he has amended his preference for what he feels is the good of the program this off-season.
 
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There’s a whole lot more nuance to the conversation that you are leaving out. It is obvious to anyone except maybe you that Hurley is a program builder. I think to his credit he has amended his preference for what he feels is the good of the program this off-season.
'There’s a whole lot more nuance to the conversation that you, and spliffy, are leaving out. It is obvious to anyone except maybe you, and spliffy, that Hurley is a program builder.

ftfy.
ok, we're all ears, or at least, i am. please nuance how in the very recent past, having enough guys for a full-court game both coming and going, is program building. there certainly hasn't been any winning, from a program history perspective, to support that thus far. feels more like a bus stop lately. fans like me have trouble cheering for bus stop people. they keep changing and there's no time to develop an attachment to their story. there are soo many great huskie stories over the years, including the ones where our personal hero makes it to a championship. i like those stories.
 
'There’s a whole lot more nuance to the conversation that you, and spliffy, are leaving out. It is obvious to anyone except maybe you, and spliffy, that Hurley is a program builder.

ftfy.
ok, we're all ears, or at least, i am. please nuance how in the very recent past, having enough guys for a full-court game both coming and going, is program building. there certainly hasn't been any winning, from a program history perspective, to support that thus far. feels more like a bus stop lately. fans like me have trouble cheering for bus stop people. they keep changing and there's no time to develop an attachment to their story. there are soo many great Husky stories over the years, including the ones where our personal hero makes it to a championship. i like those stories.
In hurleys career he never had a transfer pre UConn.
At UConn when most coaches would have had all of Ollie’s recruits transfer he made sure that all of them stayed and felt like they were still a part of the program.
His first transfer was brendan adams, a player who everyone on this board thought would benefit from a step down. Hurley didn’t run him off he credited him for being a culture builder.
Last season the transfers were basically all moving on because playing time was not there for them.
Should he have kept gaffney and sool to prove he’s a program builder or did he do the right thing by recognizing he needed to upgrade the talent around his current big 3?
I think he did the right thing by adapting to his recruiting misses by using the portal and not being stubborn.
 
You are correct about Dan Hurley having transfers as 2 of our best players last year.. He had a high degree of familiarity with both of those guys. One a former player of his and another a star PG for his Dad in HS.

IMO.. Dan Hurley gets it with the necessity for portal recruiting in the new NCAA.. I still believe he enjoys program building through recruiting.. Replacing 4 of his own recruits with transfers was out of necessity (based on the time of year of those departures-end of season) . Just think he's more aligned with McD's comments than not
Of course it’s out of necessity but a lot of it also seemed like him not believing in the guys he recruited. Everyone on this board knew we were hitting the portal hard this off-season to find better options than what was already on the roster. That’s fine, but you can’t do that and say we’re a program builder currently.
 
Eh, it might help for you to consider things in context a bit, such as when players were recruited and when immediate eligibility for transfers became a thing. I know it’s your thing, but references to Calhoun in this context do not make sense given what college basketball is like. It’s interesting to consider how many of these former coaches would’ve pulled a Wright if they were working today. Fans can keep pining for how things used to be and refuse to see how it really is, but coaches have to keep up. My guess is that about 90% of coaches in the game would prefer to recruit and develop. McDermott’s hailed as the defender of recruit and develop but signed one of the best transfers available for this season. I guess he should have lamented how different things are now and just kept that spot open.
I’m not sure how McDermott’s roster changes from one year to the next so it’s hard for me to say. Did he have a mass exodus of his own recruits to pick up this transfer? Genuinely asking because I’m not familiar with their roster.

It’s really hard for me to say we are program building as things stand today. Again, I can’t stress enough how mindblowing it is to not have a Hurley recruited PG on the roster going into year 5. We as UConn fans should know how important a great program bred PG leader is for culture and building that program. Even if they aren’t the most talented (KEA, Talik, etc.) I don’t want to use todays times as an excuse for why we either haven’t been able to identify the right recruits here or coach them. 2023 looks amazing though so I’m very hopeful things change with that class.
 
There’s a whole lot more nuance to the conversation that you are leaving out. It is obvious to anyone except maybe you that Hurley is a program builder. I think to his credit he has amended his preference for what he feels is the good of the program this off-season.
I can buy his amended preference for the program. It seems we are going a lot more guard heavy which should be interesting to watch.
In hurleys career he never had a transfer pre UConn.
At UConn when most coaches would have had all of Ollie’s recruits transfer he made sure that all of them stayed and felt like they were still a part of the program.
His first transfer was brendan adams, a player who everyone on this board thought would benefit from a step down. Hurley didn’t run him off he credited him for being a culture builder.
Last season the transfers were basically all moving on because playing time was not there for them.
Should he have kept gaffney and sool to prove he’s a program builder or did he do the right thing by recognizing he needed to upgrade the talent around his current big 3?
I think he did the right thing by adapting to his recruiting misses by using the portal and not being stubborn.
I keep seeing this like Ollie’s recruits that stayed haven’t been amazing. Jalen Adams doesn’t need explanation, Vital was a dog his senior year. Whaley won DPOY. Tyler Polley was iffy but he was our best 3 point shooter and Carlton transferred out and was a beast for Houston. These weren’t loyalty and charity cases, they were just very useful and good players.

It’s interesting the Ollie’s guys can hit like this but he sees the need for his recruits to transfer. So the question becomes, is it a misevaluation or coaching? Either way it’s on him that it happened and you can’t be a program builder with that happening.

Thing is, I LOVE Hurley’s recruiting. Which may be part of the reason I’m so frustrated currently with how things have been shaking out because I want to see HIS guys get legitimate shots and see him actually be a program builder. But so far we have been heavily reliant on transfers.
 
Covid temporarily affected recruiting and abbreviated AAU-HS BB seasons/schedules and consequently.. Coaches had smaller sample sizes to assess/evaluate talent on..It was unusual and unfortunate. Every CBB program was impacted by it. Existing roster construction (then) affected who/how you recruited.

Building a program through recruiting is aspirational. I believe Dan Hurley prefers this to the portal approach but he realizes the practicality of selectively using the portal for certain openings as he has done for this season's roster. The portal opens up and is active after the end of the season. Season ending exit interviews happen shortly after the end of the season where the future for each and every player is discussed. The 2023 signees and the speed and efficiency with which the staff executed and closed on their targets is an example of program building. More openings after the completion of this year's season? Probably.. Portal or recruited? Who is here and who is gone-positional/roster needs
 
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Covid temporarily affected recruiting and abbreviated AAU-HS BB seasons/schedules and consequently.. Coaches had smaller sample sizes to assess/evaluate talent on..It was unusual and unfortunate. Every CBB program was impacted by it. Existing roster construction (then) affected who/how you recruited.

Building a program through recruiting is aspirational. I believe Dan Hurley prefers this to the portal approach but he realizes the practicality of selectively using the portal for certain openings as he has done for this season's roster. The portal opens up and is active after the end of the season. Season ending exit interviews happen shortly after the end of the season where the future for each and every player is discussed. The 2023 signees and the speed and efficiency with which the staff executed and closed on their targets is an example of program building. More openings after the completion of this year's season? Probably.. Portal or recruited? Who is here and who is gone-positional/roster needs
I can buy the COVID being a reason for the misses. I don’t agree that replacing 4 of your own recruits in an off-season is “selectively” using the portal. We’re going from our two leaders being portal players to now essentially most of our role players being portal players. All of our guards basically (the most important position to winning in college hoops).

Recruiting is one step in program building that we’ve seen before (2021 was a top 10 class). They still have to get here, develop, and win which they are fully capable of doing. But it has to be done first.

It’s actually really interesting to see what the numbers will look like after next year. Between potential drafted players, COVID years, etc. who tf knows who’ll be back . I am way too excited about this 2023 class though and hope the cream of the crop make instant impacts.
 
@HooperScooper shared an article that included comments from Greg McD on the transfer portal and NIL..I commented that I believed that Dan Hurley was more aligned with his position than not.. Which is to say--my words-- McD is not in the coaching biz to be a portal guy. If you sat down with Dan Hurley or Jay Wright(and many other D1 BB coaches) at a pub..And asked them if they wanted to be known as a program builder or a 2022 portal guy.. They would say the former.

Nowhere in any of my comments have I said the program is now built or that Hurley is hitting the cover off of the ball.. I simply said.. I believe that trying to build (rebuild ) programs is what gets him out of bed in the morning.. Nova has a built program that Hurley has credited Wright with on numerous occasions. He'd like to do the same at UConn.. I would like to see him do it
 
McDermott said at the end of his chat with Cooley that he’s trying to build a program while Cooley is trying to build a team. He then said that the rules now are such that they’ll all be doing it Cooley’s way eventually.
 
I can buy his amended preference for the program. It seems we are going a lot more guard heavy which should be interesting to watch.

I keep seeing this like Ollie’s recruits that stayed haven’t been amazing. Jalen Adams doesn’t need explanation, Vital was a dog his senior year. Whaley won DPOY. Tyler Polley was iffy but he was our best 3 point shooter and Carlton transferred out and was a beast for Houston. These weren’t loyalty and charity cases, they were just very useful and good players.

It’s interesting the Ollie’s guys can hit like this but he sees the need for his recruits to transfer. So the question becomes, is it a misevaluation or coaching? Either way it’s on him that it happened and you can’t be a program builder with that happening.

Thing is, I LOVE Hurley’s recruiting. Which may be part of the reason I’m so frustrated currently with how things have been shaking out because I want to see HIS guys get legitimate shots and see him actually be a program builder. But so far we have been heavily reliant on transfers.
The reason you remember those players so fondly is because of the way they DEVELOPED under Hurley! You are remembering the DPoy in Whaley because of what Hurley did for his development. You remember vitals toughness because Hurley helped mild hun from a selfish chucker to a team leader.
All this is because Hurley likes developing guys not getting finished products out of the portal, which as I said before he felt he had to do this year to get the right pieces around his big 3!
 
The reason you remember those players so fondly is because of the way they DEVELOPED under Hurley! You are remembering the DPoy in Whaley because of what Hurley did for his development. You remember vitals toughness because Hurley helped mild hun from a selfish chucker to a team leader.
All this is because Hurley likes developing guys not getting finished products out of the portal, which as I said before he felt he had to do this year to get the right pieces around his big 3!

If this was really true then he’d develop his guys he recruited to come here in Gaffney and Diggins and not tell them that he was going to go into the portal to get finished products. We can’t have our cake and eat it too here. Either he’s with the times and uses the transfer portal or he wants to develop his recruits to be a program builder. It can’t be both.

I agree those guys didn’t play that way with Ollie though. ESPECIALLY Whaley. So kudos to Hurley getting the most out of them. But we can’t act like he kept them out of loyalty and not because he thought they’d give him the best chance to win and played like it. The question still is when does his guys make those same jumps. I want to see someone like Samson who didn’t come in ready to go (like guys like Bouknight, Hawkins, Sanogo, Jackson) make a jump.
 
@HooperScooper shared an article that included comments from Greg McD on the transfer portal and NIL..I commented that I believed that Dan Hurley was more aligned with his position than not.. Which is to say--my words-- McD is not in the coaching biz to be a portal guy. If you sat down with Dan Hurley or Jay Wright(and many other D1 BB coaches) at a pub..And asked them if they wanted to be known as a program builder or a 2022 portal guy.. They would say the former.

Nowhere in any of my comments have I said the program is now built or that Hurley is hitting the cover off of the ball.. I simply said.. I believe that trying to build (rebuild ) programs is what gets him out of bed in the morning.. Nova has a built program that Hurley has credited Wright with on numerous occasions. He'd like to do the same at UConn.. I would like to see him do it
I agree and would love to see him do it as well. Feel like he just needs to trust his really really great recruiting more. This is going to be the first year we see a team led by his recruits (outside of 2020 with Bouknight kind of).
 
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