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Big East Coaching Hot Seat/Departure Ranking

auror said:
Sha would have to make the E8 or F4 to get a sniff of any elite job, so I think there's a pretty high chance he sticks around. I'm sure he wants to make it work there if at all possible. Hopefully some money is freed up now that the practice facility is done.
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I don't think so. We can't see inside the programs' financials, but the financials for college basketball have changed completely in the last 2-3 years. We don't know which P4 basketball programs are living off scraps left by their football program, or which ones actually have a real budget to get coaches and players. Some coaches won't leave, and some jobs that used to be good aren't that good anymore, while other jobs that seem objectively better to outsiders are not. See Willard with Maryland and Villanova last year.

Kansas pissing money away the last two seasons was stupid, but it was also a message to the next coach that Kansas is still in the game. Indiana looks to have lost a lot of his muscle to the football program, and UCLA does not appear to be trying in either major sport. I commented two years ago that WVU is in serious financial trouble, and look at their hoops and football, both with budget rosters. There are plenty of schools that look like they are pissing money away on mediocre rosters: Tennessee, Auburn, Texas, St. Johns, Mississippi, honestly, much of the SEC, NC State, Miami.

A coach that shows he can win at a high level with a budget roster is going to be very popular. This is not 2015 anymore. Coaching is very different now.
 
I honestly don’t see everyone’s infatuation with Shaka Smart. Got a miracle run to the final 4 with VCU then went to Texas and basically was run out of town. Had a couple of good seasons ending with disappointing tournaments but is now hitting the skids. His shtick starts strong but wears off quickly. Should be on the hot seat.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I don't think so. We can't see inside the programs' financials, but the financials for college basketball have changed completely in the last 2-3 years. We don't know which P4 basketball programs are living off scraps left by their football program, or which ones actually have a real budget to get coaches and players. Some coaches won't leave, and some jobs that used to be good aren't that good anymore, while other jobs that seem objectively better to outsiders are not. See Willard with Maryland and Villanova last year.

Kansas pissing money away the last two seasons was stupid, but it was also a message to the next coach that Kansas is still in the game. Indiana looks to have lost a lot of his muscle to the football program, and UCLA does not appear to be trying in either major sport. I commented two years ago that WVU is in serious financial trouble, and look at their hoops and football, both with budget rosters. There are plenty of schools that look like they are pissing money away on mediocre rosters: Tennessee, Auburn, Texas, St. Johns, Mississippi, honestly, much of the SEC, NC State, Miami.

A coach that shows he can win at a high level with a budget roster is going to be very popular. This is not 2015 anymore. Coaching is very different now.
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I agree the times have changed, I just think that he will be inclined to make it work at Seton Hall as an alumnus. Them winning a bunch this year (assuming they make the tournament as a high single digit seed) will renew his faith that he can win there. I think if he had another year like last year (or maybe slightly better) he might've been more willing to just take any decent job, but now the level of job that will make him leave is higher.

A program with budget issues isn't going to throw bank they don't have at him, and why would he leave to take another budget-challenged job when he can just stay and do that same thing at his alma mater in a no-football school that he's already started building.

But then on the other side of the spectrum, he's shown he can win with less. But he hasn't even made the tournament yet at Seton Hall, he just has that one run at St. Peter's. If he doesn't make a deep run this year, I don't think the elite schools with decent budgets will look to him as a high priority when there will be other coaches with more tangible success.

To me, he's in a bit of a holding pattern. I could see him leveraging offers from other programs he doesn't actually want to go to in order to get more money from Hall, though.
 
There was a point Cooley was a good coach, but he plateaued a while back and has not gotten any better.

It was a bad hire by Georgetown, at a juncture where they really needed to get a good coach. Sadly, their program continues their descent into irrelevance. Hard to believe they've made the tournament just once in the past ten years, with the lone instance on a miracle BE tourney run.


St. John's is at an interesting point too.

Pitino has forsaken real coaching for the perceived easier path of portal players who (based on having experience) require less coaching. The problem is that portal players may not formulate a real team. I watched some of yesterday's SJU/PC game and seeing Pitino fume and pace the court at his age just reeked of the old man yelling the clouds meme.......
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IMO the SJU job is not a easy job as their fanbase are the definition of fair-weather fans.
 
I think Holloway is coaching UNC or Cuse next year. Maaaaybe St. John's or Georgetown if they move quick and provide a giant bag, but I doubt it.

Either way, I'm thinking there's less than a 25% chance he's staying. Ceiling with Hall is just too low and the open jobs are going to be too $$$.
 
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Matrim55 said:
I think Holloway is coaching UNC or Cuse next year. Maaaaybe St. John's or Georgetown if they move quick and provide a giant bag, but I doubt it.

Either way, I'm thinking there's less than a 25% chance he's staying. Ceiling with Hall is just too low and the open jobs are going to be too $$$.
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Syracuse is an interesting one. That could be the sweet spot.
 
Marquette has a passionate and large fan base. They have donors willing to spend money on players. I believe Smart is a good coach but if he doesn’t want to play by the new rules(lol) of the recruiting game he will be fired. My Marquette buddies are out of their minds that they are 20 point dogs today.
 
Matrim55 said:
I think Holloway is coaching UNC or Cuse next year. Maaaaybe St. John's or Georgetown if they move quick and provide a giant bag, but I doubt it.

Either way, I'm thinking there's less than a 25% chance he's staying. Ceiling with Hall is just too low and the open jobs are going to be too $$$.
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I was just thinking Cuse before I read your post, but I hope he doesn’t go there. He could actually make them relevant. I can’t see UNC taking a guy like him without better pedigree
 
Matrim55 said:
I think Holloway is coaching UNC or Cuse next year. Maaaaybe St. John's or Georgetown if they move quick and provide a giant bag, but I doubt it.

Either way, I'm thinking there's less than a 25% chance he's staying. Ceiling with Hall is just too low and the open jobs are going to be too $$$.
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I think Syracuse is toast. The school is from a different era when the NY Metro was 1/3 of the nation's economy and Rochester was one of the technology centers of the country. Back then, there were a ton of middle class and upper middle class NYC and upstate suburban kids looking for options if they didn't get into an Ivy or prestige private. Now Syracuse is just an OK, expensive school in a wasteland of a city in central New York whose financials and long term outlook look weak, before anyone gets to the athletic program. I think Syracuse is perfectly happy to cash the ACC checks and let other schools worry about earning the next TV contract.

I don't see Holloway leaving Seton Hall for Syracuse.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I think Syracuse is toast. The school is from a different era when the NY Metro was 1/3 of the nation's economy and Rochester was one of the technology centers of the country. Back then, there were a ton of middle class and upper middle class NYC and upstate suburban kids looking for options if they didn't get into an Ivy or prestige private. Now Syracuse is just an OK, expensive school in a wasteland of a city in central New York whose financials and long term outlook look weak, before anyone gets to the athletic program. I think Syracuse is perfectly happy to cash the ACC checks and let other schools worry about earning the next TV contract.

I don't see Holloway leaving Seton Hall for Syracuse.
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I hope you're right, because I think Holloway is a very good-to-excellent college coach, one who's maybe good enough to resurrect a dying program. And I do not want that to happen.

Best-case scenario for Big East purposes is, I truly believe, Georgetown. Getting them consistently back into the top 15 with real aura would be killer for the league.
 
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I think Sha is a good coach, but the idea UNC can’t do better, when programs like Nova just poached a proven power conference coach, is crazy to me. You would think Sha is doing charity the way people talk about Seton Hall.
 
Huskyforlife said:
I think Sha is a good coach, but the idea UNC can’t do better, when programs like Nova just poached a proven power conference coach, is crazy to me. You would think Sha is doing charity the way people talk about Seton Hall.
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It's bull cr@p, Seton Hall isn't a poverty school like folks around here say it is.
 
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Matrim55 said:
Best-case scenario for Big East purposes is, I truly believe, Georgetown. Getting them consistently back into the top 15 with real aura would be killer for the league.
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But What about PC’s aura?? lol

Agree about Gtown but how about SJ if Pitino retires before Cooley gets fired? That would be my next preference.
 
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auror said:
Syracuse is an interesting one. That could be the sweet spot.
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The Northeastern ACC schools seem to be a black hole. I think he is better positioned to succeed in the BE whether at Hall or another school. Hope he sticks around
 
Boost'ED said:
It was a bad hire by Georgetown, at a juncture where they really needed to get a good coach. Sadly, their program continues their descent into irrelevance. Hard to believe they've made the tournament just once in the past ten years, with the lone instance on a miracle BE tourney run.
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Who else was interested, and not a liability? The only other name in the hopper was Micah Shrewsbury and he's spinning off his axis at ND. Georgetown University is in a cash crunch right now and would not entertain eating another contract.

Oh, and if things didn't get worse, DePaul (4,088 per game) has surpassed Georgetown in average attendance. Hoyas now at 4,048.
 
Shaheen is not leaving for another Big East job. I think it is 50/50 whether he leaves at all as it is his alma mater. If he does leave, I actually think it would be for the NBA.
 
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shizzle787 said:
Shaheen is not leaving for another Big East job. I think it is 50/50 whether he leaves at all as it is his alma mater. If he does leave, I actually think it would be for the NBA.
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Can't see Shaheen in the NBA. I think you're right about staying in the BE, but I could see him at an ACC school.
 
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