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nelsonmuntz said:
That would be the very apex of stupidity. No one will do business with an organization like that. Just because you work for Bank of America instead of Goldman Sachs, you don't tell the whole market that you think your firm sucks. Put another way, just because a company isn't the market leader the day you join doesn't mean you are better off being unemployed.
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Punative exit fees are a joke. They are like non-compete clauses. Ask Bill Gates what they are worth to anyone but the lawyers. If the PAC-16 happens there are only 4 potential teams in play. And they are gone if offered. If the SEC gores to 16 and the PAC and the ACC then exit fees are meaningless. Who's going to rob them? The BiG?
 
I tend to agree. Exit fees have never and will never prevent someone from leaving a conference. they are a negotiating ploy, just like 27 month exit clauses. On the other hand, you need to have a reasonable one, if only for public consumption. when it was written, the big East's $5 million seemed steep. Today, it is chicken feed. I owuld expect something less than the $20 million the ACC just adopted, but more than the big East's $5 million. $10-12 sounds about right.
 
UCHuskies08 said:
http://espn.go.com/college-football...st-big-12-talking-possible-merger-sources-say

Multiple Big 12 sources told ESPN.com that the Big 12 would be the home, not the Big East, in any possible merger of the two football conferences.

The sources said that if Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State were to leave the Big 12 and the five remaining schools didn't have a landing in the ACC, SEC or Big Ten then they would move to absorb remaining Big East schools, not the other way around.

One Big 12 source said the reason it would absorb the Big East is the conference's ability to secure a television deal, currently with Fox, and three more years with ESPN/ABC -- although a new configuration could open it up to a new arrangement.
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Wishful thinking by whoever made this statement. The remaining BE football schools, depending how the dominoes fall could have more cache for networks than the remaining B12 schools. When things settle there will be an uncomfortable alliance with the remnants of these two conferences and a lot of people praying they can come away with some decent revenue arrangements.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Wishful thinking by whoever made this statement. The remaining BE football schools, depending how the dominoes fall could have more cache for networks than the remaining B12 schools. When things settle there will be an uncomfortable alliance with the remnants of these two conferences and a lot of people praying they can come away with some decent revenue arrangements.
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It's not about Cache. It will be the Big XII because the Catholic Schools, especially if UConn and RU are gone, will have no interest in expanding the Big East west. Plus, while it will be renegotiated, the Big XII starts with the bigger TV contract to renegotiate from. And, by all accounts, we'd want Beebe rather than marinatto.
 
businesslawyer said:
It's not about Cache. It will be the Big XII because the Catholic Schools, especially if UConn and RU are gone, will have no interest in expanding the Big East west. Plus, while it will be renegotiated, the Big XII starts with the bigger TV contract to renegotiate from. And, by all accounts, we'd want Beebe rather than marinatto.
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Actually, the Big East starts with a blank slate, which may be the best place to be.
 
LOL. So now we have multiple opinions how the merger will evolve.
 
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I'm hearing that if (not too big of an if) UT, TT, OU and OSU bolt for the P-12, the remaining seven (including TCU) BE football schools joining the B-12 (with a prewritten succession plan if/when some of these members move on to greener pastures) is pretty much a done deal but one issue is that the Fiesta Bowl doesn't want to view this as a BCS conference (with an auto tie-in the their bowl) if UT & OU leave.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I'm hearing that if (not too big of an if) UT, TT, OU and OSU bolt for the P-12, the remaining seven (including TCU) BE football schools joining the B-12 (with a prewritten succession plan if/when some of these members move on to greener pastures) is pretty much a done deal but one issue is that the Fiesta Bowl doesn't want to view this as a BCS conference (with an auto tie-in the their bowl) if UT & OU leave.
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That's not an issue -- that's a detail. The issue is preserving the BCS big (and my assumption is that they will look at the criteria for the new conference membership and apply it fairly).
 
I realize that a lot of this is just posturing but supposedly a number of experts have said that the new B-12 (with the above stated merger) will not be able to keep a BCS bid and ESPN's article on it even has this quote:
http://espn.go.com/college-football...st-big-12-talking-possible-merger-sources-say

But the Big 12's BCS bid won't be a lock under a new configuration.
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I hope that you are correct but it wouldn't surprise me if the Fiesta ended up working a deal where they had the choice of the B-12 champ or the MWC champ.
 
Plan A: Join ACC

Plan B: Join B1G

Plan C: Merge remaining schools with Big 12

East Division:
UConn
RU
WVU
USF
Cincy
Louisville

West Division:
Kansas
K-State
Iowa St
Mizzou (assuming they don't jump to SEC)
Baylor
TCU

That is a better conference than what exists today in 2011. The bigger question is.....will it be enough to maintain AQ status? Don't know.
 
As we thought --Mizzou is gone.

UCF or Nova?
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The more I've read, the Texahoma 4 is not as done of a deal as people believed it would be, and the P12 is taking a pause. What would really suck is if the P12 said no thanks, or the 4 decide to stay put, invite TCU, UL Cinci, and WVU to move back to 12 teams and a championship game. Long shot, sure, but not out of the realm of possibilities.
 
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SAMCRO said:
The more I've read, the Texahoma 4 is not as done of a deal as people believed it would be, and the P12 is taking a pause. What would really suck is if the P12 said no thanks, or the 4 decide to stay put, invite TCU, UL Cinci, and WVU to move back to 12 teams and a championship game. Long shot, sure, but not out of the realm of possibilities.
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Agree. I think any approach of Texahoma to the Big East has to be on the basis of a merger.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Agree. I think any approach of Texahoma to the Big East has to be on the basis of a merger.
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Hope so. Make it a super confernce including RU, UConn, USF, and one other to get to 16 teams. That is actually a league I could get behind (assuming OU,Okie Lite, and UT are in it). Good hoops on par or better than ACC definitely. Great football, better than ACC, P12, and B10, only behind the SEC. Could be worse I guess (as long as wee'e on the inside of it - assuming no ACC invite).
 
SAMCRO said:
Hope so. Make it a super confernce including RU, UConn, USF, and one other to get to 16 teams. That is actually a league I could get behind (assuming OU,Okie Lite, and UT are in it). Good hoops on par or better than ACC definitely. Great football, better than ACC, P12, and B10, only behind the SEC. Could be worse I guess (as long as wee'e on the inside of it - assuming no ACC invite).
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BYU or Boise would be the far superior choice for quality, but travel would be a nightmare.
 
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