Please tell me again how college basketball doesn’t have an officiating problem

[Palatine]

As long as it is horrible for both sides, I'm good with it.

 

[ColchVEGAS]

Consistency is the only thing that matters in regards to officiating. A foul on one end of the floor is a foul on the other end. A call made in the first minute should be the same call made in last minute.

 

[TRUCONN76]

I don't see any mention of expectations from the officials themselves or of a goal from the participant leagues of consistent calls and consistent interpretation of the rules and a feedback process to the officials. Having a process in place to promote consistency and fairness would go a long way in fans perception of what is going on.

What I read sounds like a grammar school objective of not hurting their feelings when they make obvious bad calls.

 

[InKembaITrust]

Seems over-excessive. These refs are grown men and know what they sign up for.

Looks like not everyone's strong enough to face the wrath of Hurley.

 

[boog204]

Consistency is the only thing that matters in regards to officiating. A foul on one end of the floor is a foul on the other end. A call made in the first minute should be the same call made in last minute.

Yup... people have been having conniptions about the "freedom of movement" bs all year. We hold and bump, too. BE officials don't call it. Once we get the tourney, those might get called. But let's not act like we're constantly facing Glavine and Maddux and not getting the outside corner call. And 99% of the fouls that are called on us is because we are collectively terrible defensively.

 

[How Sway?!]

Seems over-excessive. These refs are grown men and know what they sign up for.

Looks like not everyone's strong enough to face the wrath of Hurley.

Pretty sure the issue is not Hurley or other coaches but fans on social media who take it too far. It is a fact that less people are becoming refs at the lower levels because the pay is not worth dealing with all the BS that comes along with it.

 

[prankster]

Are we really all that interested in retention of officials?

Or should we be more interested in the actual removal of obviously bad officials?

 

[ec33]

Consistency is the only thing that matters in regards to officiating. A foul on one end of the floor is a foul on the other end. A call made in the first minute should be the same call made in last minute.

This isn't true.

Calling touch falls when driving and ignoring holding players without the ball equally on the both sides impacts the game and unfairly can unfairly bias the outcome of the game (see every UConn Big East game).

These decisions are not neutral to the outcome of the game.

Don't get me started on how this impacts big football games.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Pretty sure the issue is not Hurley or other coaches but fans on social media who take it too far. It is a fact that less people are becoming refs at the lower levels because the pay is not worth dealing with all the BS that comes along with it.

There’s a difference between youth level refs and collegiate/pro. I think I read a high level college basketball ref makes 4K per game. Not saying the initiative is bad itself but to not address the poor officiating at the league level is dumb too. The Big 12 responded to poor officiating over the weekend.

 

[Storrs South]

I don't see any mention of expectations from the officials themselves or of a goal from the participant leagues of consistent calls and consistent interpretation of the rules and a feedback process to the officials. Having a process in place to promote consistency and fairness would go a long way in fans perception of what is going on.

What I read sounds like a grammar school objective of not hurting their feelings when they make obvious bad calls.

Coaches have mentioned before they do have a contact with the Big East to express concerns about officiating, but as best I can tell all I have ever heard materialize from these discussions is this individual will basically confirm or disagree with the grievance. I have yet to hear anything tangible comes out of those discussions when coaches do have fair complaints. And that's the problem.

 

[freescooter]

Consistency is the only thing that matters in regards to officiating. A foul on one end of the floor is a foul on the other end. A call made in the first minute should be the same call made in last minute.

I think this is right in theory but everyone in every sport knows that officials don’t and likely never will make calls in the final seconds that they will always make in the first ones. Beyond that calls are made for specific reasons. How many times have we all seen refs start calling games tighter if it looks like things are getting very chippy? A good official knows how to keep a game under control and how to get it back when it gets out of control.

Frankly I hope part of this is Big East refs learn to call fouls based on the rules and stop playing to the “rough tough” New Big East nonsense. When you watch other leagues, play is much less about subway mugging and more about the beauty of a free flowing game. Even Hurley commented that his system is more effective in the NCAA tournament because the do call fouls for clutching and grabbing and holding.

 

[ColchVEGAS]

@freescooter. I agree and do not at the same time. As much as I hate seeing a call in the last seconds to decide a game, I hate seeing how the game is called changed from half to half even more.

Like you said I get why they do it, to regain control if things are getting chippy, but it ultimately destroys the flow of the game after the teams have adjusted to what is being called and what is not.

I can live with "bad" calls as long as those said "bad" calls stay the same on both ends.

 

[temery]

Seems over-excessive. These refs are grown men and know what they sign up for.

Looks like not everyone's strong enough to face the wrath of Hurley.

Hurley's wrath is a problem, not a solution. There are crappy refs. There are biased refs. There are refs who hate vanilla ice cream and anchovies on pizza. But there is no conspiracy among refs to screw UConn, and there is no ref on this planet who hates UConn but decides to call a fair game because he's afraid of Hurley's wrath.

 

[uconnfan68]

This isn't true.

Calling touch falls when driving and ignoring holding players without the ball equally on the both sides impacts the game and unfairly can unfairly bias the outcome of the game (see every UConn Big East game).

These decisions are not neutral to the outcome of the game.

Don't get me started on how this impacts big football games.

Pretty sure you missed the point. Nothing was bothsided.

 

[RuffRuff]

Are we really all that interested in retention of officials?

Or should we be more interested in the actual removal of obviously bad officials?

Issue is whether there are good ones ready to replace.

Perhaps incentivizing with awards/recognitions or bonus’ could help motivate.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Are we really all that interested in retention of officials?

Or should we be more interested in the actual removal of obviously bad officials?

Mutually exclusive scenarios?

 

[prankster]

Hurley's wrath is a problem, not a solution. There are crappy refs. There are biased refs. There are refs who hate vanilla ice cream and anchovies on pizza. But there is no conspiracy among refs to screw UConn, and there is no ref on this planet who hates UConn but decides to call a fair game because he's afraid of Hurley's wrath.

I disagree with you.

And I believe it originates in John Cahill's office.

And I further believe they are intentionally rigging outcomes to try to ensure that the BE gets a minimum of 4 teams into the NCAAT. And there is no more "quality win" once conference play begins than a win over UConn.

 

[temery]

I disagree with you.

And I believe it originates in John Cahill's office.

And I further believe they are intentionally rigging outcomes to try to ensure that the BE gets a minimum of 4 teams into the NCAAT. And there is no more "quality win" once conference play begins than a win over UConn.

Keep buying the tin foil. Back-2-Back must mean the refs are not only biased against UConn, they're terrible at fixing games.

 

[prankster]

Keep buying the tin foil.

That is just so much 20th Century thinking.

I am all in on carbon fiber hats.

 

[prankster]

Keep buying the tin foil. Back-2-Back must mean the refs are not only biased against UConn, they're terrible at fixing games.

In any case, no aspect of this little exercise addresses the blatantly poor officiating that overlays the BE basketball product.

The officials just plain stink, and the Conference is worried about the lousy officials feelings. Not at all the fact that the fans have noticed how bad the officiating sucks.

And "Back 2 Back" derives from the fact that, when it counts, the BE biased officiating has been sidelined.

How in the world was UConn suddenly a world beating, dominant juggernaut? What happened right after the BE season ended that could possibly have been so impactful?

Yeah, me too! It's just a real puzzler, that.

 

[InKembaITrust]

Hurley's wrath is a problem, not a solution. There are crappy refs. There are biased refs. There are refs who hate vanilla ice cream and anchovies on pizza. But there is no conspiracy among refs to screw UConn, and there is no ref on this planet who hates UConn but decides to call a fair game because he's afraid of Hurley's wrath.

Call it whatever you want, I don't think Hurley is gong to stop yelling at refs anytime soon.

 

[GampelGladiator]

Any moment a coach is arguing with the officials...is a moment that a coach isn't coaching the players

 

[RuffRuff]

Any moment a coach is arguing with the officials...is a moment that a coach isn't coaching the players

Although in a way it’s showing your kids you have their back.

 

[Scoe]

Call it whatever you want, I don't think Hurley is gong to stop yelling at refs anytime soon.

Hurley hasn't even picked up 1 tech since Maui, if he's really abusing officials wouldn't he have a boatload of technicals.