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Look at that poster's history. He has 29 posts so far and over half of them are trashing the conference. He is a troll posting from another school, but if you want to defend him, you get to own every post he makes.
I merely asked you a question. If you think I attacked or defended anyone, please provide a quote.

I'm now not referring to either of you, but just because an idiot asks a question does not make the question idiotic.
 
Just not at all true haha. I am die hard Husky fan who goes to about 2/3 of the games each year. I think we need to schedule like the women’s team does or like Gonzaga does (including OOC after big east play starts) to mitigate how bad our conference is. You are clearly very angry and take anything negative about the big east personally for some reason. Starting to think you’re Val Ackerman 😊 I’m done here but have a lovely day.

So you are saying it is impossible to win it all out of the Big East? Interesting theory.
 
So you are saying it is impossible to win it all out of the Big East? Interesting theory.
Dude what are you even talking about? I quite literally never said that. I'm no longer engaging with you.
 
So you are saying it is impossible to win it all out of the Big East? Interesting theory.
no he's saying the BE is starting to look more like a midmajor than the P4 (doesnt mean i'd prefer the AAC) so we should start beefing up our OOC slate (which we are doing) because we cannot pick up any more marquee wins in conference play (again, i dont want to join the AAC), but we can still get a 1 seed (thanks to our marquee OOC wins) and win the title (which gonzaga has never done but they have earned 1 seeds).
 
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I get what you are saying. A few things:

1) UConn is really, really good this year.
2) The bottom of the league (Marquette, Depaul, Georgetown, Creighton and even Providence) is pretty bad. Something would have to go really wrong to lose to one of these teams. Providence is more talented than the other 4 and could get lucky, but these teams are a big step down.
3) There are only really three middling teams (Butler, Villanova, Xavier), and they would have to play an A+++ game against UConn's C game to beat UConn.
4) The next two best teams, St. Johns and Seton Hall, are both flawed. Could they both pick UConn off at home? Sure, but it isn't like the last few years where there were 2 or 3 other teams about as good as UConn in the league.

This year's Big East kind of reminds me of 2024, except the middle of 2024's Big East had a bunch of teams that were decent. The league was better that year overall, but it only had 2 teams that could play at a really high level. This year the league is down and there are maybe 1.5 teams that can play at a really high level.

The way it's been at the Prudential Center you may consider it a minor miracle if UConn wins.
 
I don't buy the idea that something "would have to go really wrong" for UConn to lose at Creighton. McDermott's a great coach. His team will improve. He knows UConn inside and out. It'll be a super bowl game for them and that cornfed crowd will be lit on five cent beers. That whole post reads to me like the games are played on paper.
 
I don't buy the idea that something "would have to go really wrong" for UConn to lose at Creighton. McDermott's a great coach. His team will improve. He knows UConn inside and out. It'll be a super bowl game for them and that cornfed crowd will be lit on five cent beers. That whole post reads to me like the games are played on paper.

Have you watched Creighton play? The stats support what you see with your eyes if you are paying attention. That team is not trying, and that is a hard problem to coach out of.

There are going to be a lot more roster fails when coaching staffs are assembling rotisserie teams every offseason.
 
no he's saying the BE is starting to look more like a midmajor than the P4 (doesnt mean i'd prefer the AAC) so we should start beefing up our OOC slate (which we are doing) because we cannot pick up any more marquee wins in conference play (again, i dont want to join the AAC), but we can still get a 1 seed (thanks to our marquee OOC wins) and win the title (which gonzaga has never done but they have earned 1 seeds).

There is a whole big board on this site where you can post all the conference realignment stuff you want. Why do you feel the compulsion to pollute every thread on this board with it?
 
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The top five isn't actually all that disastrous. Since the new league's inaugural season in 2013-14, it's typically had between four and six top 50 teams. Having only two or three in the top 25 wasn't all that unusual either.

But usually there were at least a couple others right on the cusp of the top 50-60 with the remaining schools sprinkled between 60-100 (save for DePaul, or in recent years Georgetown). On the chart you posted, nearly half the league is sub 100 in at least one of the two main metrics. And that doesn't include Xavier, which is 89th and 76th.

Providence, Creighton, and Marquette were all supposed to be top 50 or at least knocking on the door. Georgetown was supposed to be firmly in the top 75 range, if not better. They all had rosters that were paid like it, anyway (which is why I'm holding off on drawing any sweeping conclusions about the future of the league). Xavier's about where it should be, and Hall has obviously blown away any sort of realistic expectations. (Can you imagine how bad things would be if they were as bad as they were supposed to be?)

My guess is that Villanova, Seton Hall, and Butler are going to end up being the biggest victims of the aforementioned schools underachieving. I think they'll trend down the NET rankings while the others trend up, and as a result the perception of the league's depth will improve but the perception of the league's middle class will not. And that means fewer tournament bids. I could see the league ending up with as many as 9-10 top 100 teams but only two safely in the top 50. We've already seen this start to take shape with the PC-Butler game a few days ago.

UConn and St. John's should be largely unaffected, as they are much better than everyone else. Basically, the middle class that was supposed to challenge them ended up merging with the lower class and creating a scenario where UConn and St. John's will both be top 4 seeds and everyone else is just hoping to get in. (On the bright side, I'm sure The Crown will be more than happy to scoop up as many Big East teams as possible!)
 
The top five isn't actually all that disastrous. Since the new league's inaugural season in 2013-14, it's typically had between four and six top 50 teams. Having only two or three in the top 25 wasn't all that unusual either.

But usually there were at least a couple others right on the cusp of the top 50-60 with the remaining schools sprinkled between 60-100 (save for DePaul, or in recent years Georgetown). On the chart you posted, nearly half the league is sub 100 in at least one of the two main metrics. And that doesn't include Xavier, which is 89th and 76th.

Providence, Creighton, and Marquette were all supposed to be top 50 or at least knocking on the door. Georgetown was supposed to be firmly in the top 75 range, if not better. They all had rosters that were paid like it, anyway (which is why I'm holding off on drawing any sweeping conclusions about the future of the league). Xavier's about where it should be, and Hall has obviously blown away any sort of realistic expectations. (Can you imagine how bad things would be if they were as bad as they were supposed to be?)

My guess is that Villanova, Seton Hall, and Butler are going to end up being the biggest victims of the aforementioned schools underachieving. I think they'll trend down the NET rankings while the others trend up, and as a result the perception of the league's depth will improve but the perception of the league's middle class will not. And that means fewer tournament bids. I could see the league ending up with as many as 9-10 top 100 teams but only two safely in the top 50. We've already seen this start to take shape with the PC-Butler game a few days ago.

UConn and St. John's should be largely unaffected, as they are much better than everyone else. Basically, the middle class that was supposed to challenge them ended up merging with the lower class and creating a scenario where UConn and St. John's will both be top 4 seeds and everyone else is just hoping to get in. (On the bright side, I'm sure The Crown will be more than happy to scoop up as many Big East teams as possible!)

The 30-70 ranked NET teams that are more likely to drop are those that are losing. Villanova, Seton Hall, Butler and Xavier should be picking up wins. The middle of the Big 12 has gotten there by pounding bad opponents, but as those opponents play their bad opponents, and those same teams start to lose league games, the Big 12 middle will start to slide. The SEC is not nearly as dominant as it was last year, so .500 records in conference are going to knock out a bunch of teams that look like bubble teams right now.

The 30 to 70 ranked teams are generally pretty tightly grouped in terms of actual rating, which means that small improvements in things like winning percentage will have a big impact. No matter what others in this thread say, the Big East is not the A10, it is just a little behind the ACC, and a little more behind the other 3 leagues, none of which are really dominant this season. There is a huge gap between the Big East and the A10 or MWC.

I think the biggest risk for the Big East bubble teams is Providence. Providence is talented and looks good when they play, English has simply blown it in the non-conference games. That team is good enough to win 12 games in league play, which probably won't get it a bid, but could cause problems for the other Big East bubble teams if PC's wins are coming against them.
 
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no he's saying the BE is starting to look more like a midmajor than the P4 (doesnt mean i'd prefer the AAC) so we should start beefing up our OOC slate (which we are doing) because we cannot pick up any more marquee wins in conference play (again, i dont want to join the AAC), but we can still get a 1 seed (thanks to our marquee OOC wins) and win the title (which gonzaga has never done but they have earned 1 seeds).

Prove this statement or admit you are trolling. This is obviously factually wrong, so you are going to own this.
 
I get what you are saying. A few things:

1) UConn is really, really good this year.
2) The bottom of the league (Marquette, Depaul, Georgetown, Creighton and even Providence) is pretty bad. Something would have to go really wrong to lose to one of these teams. Providence is more talented than the other 4 and could get lucky, but these teams are a big step down.
3) There are only really three middling teams (Butler, Villanova, Xavier), and they would have to play an A+++ game against UConn's C game to beat UConn.
4) The next two best teams, St. Johns and Seton Hall, are both flawed. Could they both pick UConn off at home? Sure, but it isn't like the last few years where there were 2 or 3 other teams about as good as UConn in the league.

This year's Big East kind of reminds me of 2024, except the middle of 2024's Big East had a bunch of teams that were decent. The league was better that year overall, but it only had 2 teams that could play at a really high level. This year the league is down and there are maybe 1.5 teams that can play at a really high level.
Those middling teams are below average middling. Xavier is not a good team - might put them in group 2. The only games we can lose in my eyes this year are @StJ and @SHU. Even there, very winnable. We won't sweep the BE slate, but as good a year as any to give it a try.
 
Those middling teams are below average middling. Xavier is not a good team - might put them in group 2. The only games we can lose in my eyes this year are @StJ and @SHU. Even there, very winnable. We won't sweep the BE slate, but as good a year as any to give it a try.

Xavier was a bad possession from beating a ranked Georgia team on a neutral court. Butler got bent over by the ACC refs in a 2 point loss against SMU. Villanova only lost to BYU by 5, although I think Villanova is a bit suspect. These teams are not bad.

I think the bottom of the league, Depaul, Marquette, Creighton and Georgetown, are really bad. I know the last three teams have decent payrolls, but the product on the court is bad.
 
Xavier was a bad possession from beating a ranked Georgia team on a neutral court. Butler got bent over by the ACC refs in a 2 point loss against SMU. Villanova only lost to BYU by 5, although I think Villanova is a bit suspect. These teams are not bad.

I think the bottom of the league, Depaul, Marquette, Creighton and Georgetown, are really bad. I know the last three teams have decent payrolls, but the product on the court is bad.
Sure, but look at their roster. They also lost to Santa Clara by 20 at home. Tre Carroll is their guy and he played 22 mpg for FAU last year. That is not a good roster, at all. It's rare that any of these new coach full portal rosters are any good year one, Nova included.

This feels like a year, now that everyone is getting healthy, we can run it. We won't, but as easy a slate as we've seen and we will be favored in every game. We'll likely get picked off a couple times on the road where a team has 1 dollar beer night, we are their SB and they get hot from 3. I don't expect to lose at home this year. StJ will be revenge for us this year, so those games will be our conference SB's against a very flawed roster. 18-2.

Other things to consider are that there are a number of players on our squad still trying to prove things for various reasons, so unlikely that we get "content". Mullins showcasing his game, Reed post injury, Solo after his early season slump, Silas. Not a team that is likely to go on cruise control, and with the depth can wear a lot of these teams out.
 
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I don't buy the idea that something "would have to go really wrong" for UConn to lose at Creighton. McDermott's a great coach. His team will improve. He knows UConn inside and out. It'll be a super bowl game for them and that cornfed crowd will be lit on five cent beers. That whole post reads to me like the games are played on paper.
Generally agree with this, but their roster is way down. This is one of those games we can get picked off due to circumstances, but we are marketably better. With Creighton unlikely to be in the tourney, this will be their SB. Those midwest away games are where I think we'll drop one at some point.

One thing we haven't done much to prepare for the BE is play many road games. Our early season has basically been all home games other than Kansas.
 
The top five isn't actually all that disastrous. Since the new league's inaugural season in 2013-14, it's typically had between four and six top 50 teams. Having only two or three in the top 25 wasn't all that unusual either.

But usually there were at least a couple others right on the cusp of the top 50-60 with the remaining schools sprinkled between 60-100 (save for DePaul, or in recent years Georgetown). On the chart you posted, nearly half the league is sub 100 in at least one of the two main metrics. And that doesn't include Xavier, which is 89th and 76th.

Providence, Creighton, and Marquette were all supposed to be top 50 or at least knocking on the door. Georgetown was supposed to be firmly in the top 75 range, if not better. They all had rosters that were paid like it, anyway (which is why I'm holding off on drawing any sweeping conclusions about the future of the league). Xavier's about where it should be, and Hall has obviously blown away any sort of realistic expectations. (Can you imagine how bad things would be if they were as bad as they were supposed to be?)

My guess is that Villanova, Seton Hall, and Butler are going to end up being the biggest victims of the aforementioned schools underachieving. I think they'll trend down the NET rankings while the others trend up, and as a result the perception of the league's depth will improve but the perception of the league's middle class will not. And that means fewer tournament bids. I could see the league ending up with as many as 9-10 top 100 teams but only two safely in the top 50. We've already seen this start to take shape with the PC-Butler game a few days ago.

UConn and St. John's should be largely unaffected, as they are much better than everyone else. Basically, the middle class that was supposed to challenge them ended up merging with the lower class and creating a scenario where UConn and St. John's will both be top 4 seeds and everyone else is just hoping to get in. (On the bright side, I'm sure The Crown will be more than happy to scoop up as many Big East teams as possible!)
In some ways, the teams that have moved up should continue to move. The analytic models are still baking in the preseason weights that underrated them, so there is more room to grow to their true ability in the metrics.

My biggest concern to the contrary of that hypothesis is something you sort of touched upon, but I'll get more specific, which is that the schools that have not been good have very good home courts and even if down this year could pick off a ton of teams at home (Fiserv, Cintas, CHI). But this could be good, if for example Creighton climbs into the NET top 75. 1 or 2 more teams like Creighton and Providence getting to top 75 could add additional Q1 wins for the Huskies if the 2-5 teams stay there as well.
 
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According to Lunardi, as of this morning 4 BE teams in, with Villanova being the first team out.

UConn (2)
St. Johns (6)
Seton Hall (9)
Butler (11)
What's up with him having Butler as the BE automatic qualifier?
 
Here's Dave Borges's stab at the predictions for the Big East standings and post season awards. He has Karaban as BE POY and Ball and Reed also on the first team. Mullins as BE FOY.
  1. UConn (17-3): Besting the record of 18 Big East wins set by the 2024 Husky team (and tied last year by St. John's) should be their goal.

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Here's Dave Borges's stab at the predictions for the Big East standings and post season awards. He has Karaban as BE POY and Ball and Reed also on the first team. Mullins as BE FOY.
  1. UConn (17-3): Besting the record of 18 Big East wins set by the 2024 Husky team (and tied last year by St. John's) should be their goal.

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Are Nova and Butlet at 12-8 tourney teams?

He’s got Xavier in last. It’s weird to see a McDermott team this low in a poor quality year.
 
Xavier was a bad possession from beating a ranked Georgia team on a neutral court. Butler got bent over by the ACC refs in a 2 point loss against SMU. Villanova only lost to BYU by 5, although I think Villanova is a bit suspect. These teams are not bad.

I think the bottom of the league, Depaul, Marquette, Creighton and Georgetown, are really bad. I know the last three teams have decent payrolls, but the product on the court is bad.
When you’re cherry picking specific games to make teams look good and you have to pick all losses it’s probably not a great sign lol.
 
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Big East records only:

UConn - 18-2 - UConn is looking pretty good so far, with only loss to the #1 team in the country and UConn missing two key players. I would like to see UConn tighten up its offense a little. Demary, Ball and Mullins are too good as shooters to be under 30%. A few too many contested pullups for my taste. UConn is still winning, but it needs to tighten up the shot selection a little because some teams are going to get hot against the Huskies at some point and UConn will not be able to afford to waste possessions in those games. The defense has looked pretty good so far, and Reed and Reibe are playing so well that Hurley should look at getting them on the court together.

St. Johns - 16-4 - The analytics look better than the eye test. No shame in losing close to Alabama and Iowa State, but the Auburn loss was not great for a team that has Final Four dreams. There is a lot of talent, but I don't get how KenPom has this team as the 23rd best offense. The defense looks pretty good, but this team is not on the same page offensively. There are a lot of plays where it feels like an offensive pileup at the rim. They need better spacing. The 3 point shooting is pretty poor at 33.7%, and they are taking a lot of wide open shots. Mississippi was clogging the lane, leaving the perimeter wide open, and St. Johns still can't shoot. Darling is the only PG, and he can't shoot at all as far as I can tell. Ejiofor is really good.

Seton Hall - 14-6 - This is one of the best defensive teams in the country. KenPom has SHU at 12th best, but that still includes the preseason rankings, so they are probably Top 10. SHU has 3 good 3 point shooters, and Parker looks like a shooter although they are not dropping for him. I like their scoring at the hoop, and think they should maybe launch fewer 3's and focus more on getting to the hoop with the pass or the dribble. Rebounding is not great, and could be a problem. Playing SHU is like getting a root canal, and this is a team that could pull off some upsets in March.

Butler - 12-8 - Offense looks pretty good, and this team is more athletic than recent vintages of the Bulldogs, so the defense, while not great, still looks a little better than recent years. There are a lot of shooters on this team, and they will be tough to defend. The team is deep, and has some shot makers when the shot clock runs down. The SMU loss was an ACC refs special, and Boise was just a good game by the Boise. The Virginia win will age well, and they have to beat Northwestern to have a shot at the tournament.

Xavier - 11-9 - This is a decent team that took a little time to gel, and I don't get the NET of over 100, because they don't have a bad loss. Their efficiency numbers are not as good as they should be, particularly on offense because while there is some talent here, there is a bit too much hero ball. The starting lineup is pretty good, especially Carroll, Milicevic and Borovicanin. This team is shooting over 37% from deep and they take some bad shots, so watch out if they tighten up their shot selection. Free throw shooting is not great which is weird for a good shooting team. If this team plays more disciplined, they could win 12 or 13 games in league play.

Villanova - 10-10 - Not sure what to make of this team yet. Played BYU close, got killed by Michigan, and easily beat the teams they were supposed to beat. KenPom has game vs. Wisconsin as a tossup, so we will see. Defense does not look good, and I don't see a ton of upside on this roster other than Lewis. Results matter, so I will predict .500 in Big East play, but I sense more downside than upside from this point with this team.

Providence - 9-11 - Providence is dangerous for a 7-5 team, and passes the eye test. They go 7 deep with legitimate players. They can shoot, and are decent offensively. The defense has been pretty bad, especially on the perimeter, but it is not a talent problem. English has blown it because the talent is NCAA caliber, but those dreams are finished with losses to VTech and Colorado. That said, Providence will pick up some wins.

Georgetown - 7-13 - This is an expensive roster to be this bad. I think Lewis is a selfish player, and this is a bad shooting team from 3. They are bad on both ends of the court, but especially on offense. They somehow beat Clemson, so they don't completely suck, but I think they have all the bad Cooley habits like fishing for fouls, without nearly enough talent to get away with it.

Creighton - 6-14 - Something is wrong with this team. I don't know if it is chemistry, or the team giving up on the season because of McAndrews' injury, but Creighton looked like a team that had given up in both the Nebraska and Kansas State games. There is no coaching around "don't care", and this team looks like it doesn't care. The KenPom rankings have residuals from last year, because they are a lot worse defensively than 87. This team sucks defensively. All the hustle stats (rebounds, turnovers caused, blocks) also suck.

Depaul - 4-18 - This team is still pretty bad, especially on offense. The defense is not terrible. Benson is fun to watch, and the backcourt is serviceable. There is more upside than downside to my prediction.

Marquette - 3-17 - I can't believe how bad this team is. I would think that Shaka knows the difference between talented and untalented, so how on earth did he think this roster would be competitive? This is not a cheap roster, but they look worse in the eye test than the analytics, and the analytics aren't good. They can't shoot from deep, and they aren't that good inside. They are even surprisingly bad defensively, which you would never expect from a Shaka Smart team. There were three competitive losses, against Maryland, Dayton and Oklahoma, but all were home games against teams that are long shots for the NCAA Tournament. They have gotten blown out from the tip in their other 3 games against good opponents.
110-112 …. Out of balance
 
Can someone please explain why it would be such a monumental feat for us to win a title this year if we didn't enter the tournament as a one seed? I've seen so much angst on this forum about this and in all candor I don't get it.

In fact, as a one seed cutting down the nets in three consecutive tournaments has never happened, I'm inclined to believe that there is a stronger chance that a two or three seed will end up cutting down the nets than there is a one seed winning it all.

We will have a couple (hopefully not too many) losses in BE play that will infuriate most of us. Keep the bigger picture in mind. If we're only capable of winning it all if we enter the tournament as a one seed we aren't as good as we need to be.
 
Can someone please explain why it would be such a monumental feat for us to win a title this year if we didn't enter the tournament as a one seed? I've seen so much angst on this forum about this and in all candor I don't get it.

In fact, as a one seed cutting down the nets in three consecutive tournaments has never happened, I'm inclined to believe that there is a stronger chance that a two or three seed will end up cutting down the nets than there is a one seed winning it all.

We will have a couple (hopefully not too many) losses in BE play that will infuriate most of us. Keep the bigger picture in mind. If we're only capable of winning it all if we enter the tournament as a one seed we aren't as good as we need to be.
I’d not look at ancient history as an example as the nature or the sport has shifted dramatically in the portal era. Last year is probably more indicative than the last 40 years. And there are so many analytics out these days that forecast well.

This year you don’t need a 1 to win it, but I would wager a heavy bet winner is no lower than a 2. You don’t need a 1 to win it, but the high seed is indicative of odds.
 
Are Nova and Butlet at 12-8 tourney teams?

He’s got Xavier in last. It’s weird to see a McDermott team this low in a poor quality year.
Butler is probably squarely on the bubble at 12-8.
 
I’d not look at ancient history as an example as the nature or the sport has shifted dramatically in the portal era. Last year is probably more indicative than the last 40 years. And there are so many analytics out these days that forecast well.

This year you don’t need a 1 to win it, but I would wager a heavy bet winner is no lower than a 2. You don’t need a 1 to win it, but the high seed is indicative of odds.
Wasn't the '23 tournament in the portal era? Was that ancient history?

If you want to place a wager right now, you have the eight schools seeded one & two, I have everyone else, I think we could come up with something.

Yes, each year going forward will create more separation between the P-4 (or 3 if the ACC doesn't get it's act together) and everyone else and yes, I do believe that in the not too distant future the BE will have as many two bid tournaments as they have tournaments where they exceed three bids.

My point to this team specifically is that even if they cannot do enough from now until the end of the BE tournament to land a one seed, they still have sufficient talent, depth, defensive ability (when everyone is focused) and offensive skill (especially once everyone is incorporated into the offense) to run through the tournament from a three, four or five. Hell, last year if we could have rebounded a couple late free throw misses by our opponent, the winner of what was basically an all chalk tournament never would have made it out of the sub-regionals.

Things aren't as dire as you believe. Yes, it is moving in that direction and yes, it is by design from the powers that be. The thing is, they've been working on this for nearly a quarter century and have made far less headway than they anticipated they would have made after a half dozen years. There's time left for us, we just have a smaller margin for error than those in power conferences and we may have a slightly more difficult road when postseason begins. I can live with that as I don't want to get there the easy way.
 
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