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ISU Brown is a much better player as a freshman than her 5th year senior sister at Duke
 
cancontent said:
Nah..... it's not that bad. It was an 8 point loss. There are other losses in the B12 that are a lot worse.

Brown had an off night. Diew needs to provide points as a starter, but overall considering no one expected much out of the team this year, this loss shouldn't be seen as a horrible one. Bad, maybe. Horrible, no.
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By pre-season expectations it was not a bad loss. By where they were sitting, at 6-0 pre-game with a TCU forfeit, it's sort of bad. Maybe fool's gold to expect a title run but we were in first place. Maybe got exposed some here. Thing is we never win the regular season title and we are adding teams that will make up for Texas leaving and it will be even harder the next couple of years even with the team maturing. We won the Big 12 tournament last year but for me the tournament title, regardless of how it qualifies for the NCAA's, is a consolation prize.
 
Huge blow to KSU's title chase as it was announced that Ayoka Lee is out for four weeks with an ankle fracture. Guessing "four weeks" is maybe optimistic and they hope to have her back for March. I'm a rival fan but everyone likes Lee and knows about all of her knee issues so this is just more suck news for the Big 12. Maybe the hopeful side of it for KSU is that the same players played last year without her so hopefully can fall back on that experience and push through this.

Was also posted in the injury thread but since it has big implications to the Big 12 title race I am posting it here also

 
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I suspect K State will still be a solid team w/o Lee, but who knows. Looks like Jackson only played 6 min in K State's win over Kansas. We are favored by 5-6 tonight at home. Obviously we haven't been playing well lately, but there were some signs of life for the O against UCF
 
Baylor must've made a heckuva deal with the basketball gods because this will be twice now they get to play one of their best Big 12 opponents very soon after the star player goes out with injury. First Harmon, now Lee.
 
12au said:
I suspect K State will still be a solid team w/o Lee, but who knows. Looks like Jackson only played 6 min in K State's win over Kansas. We are favored by 5-6 tonight at home. Obviously we haven't been playing well lately, but there were some signs of life for the O against UCF
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I thought the polls with Kansas State as #4 was sort of odd. I get they have been playing great but Lee is out for a month. and "maybe" back in time for season's close. It's the same team/players that went 5-13 in league play last year without Lee.
 
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ISUnorth said:
I thought the polls with Kansas State as #4 was sort of odd. I get they have been playing great but Lee is out for a month. and "maybe" back in time for season's close. It's the same team/players that went 5-13 in league play last year without Lee.
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That raises an interesting question:

Should pollsters
1) rank teams on how they have played OR
2) rank players on how the pollster thinks they will finish the season?
 
visitingcock said:
That raises an interesting question:

Should pollsters
1) rank teams on how they have played OR
2) rank players on how the pollster thinks they will finish the season?
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I've always wondered what the criteria for the AP Top 25 is. Don't think that's every been clarified
 
visitingcock said:
That raises an interesting question:

Should pollsters
1) rank teams on how they have played OR
2) rank players on how the pollster thinks they will finish the season?
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Weekly polls should be how they are/have played with a bias towards "right now this week". With that criteria I would have KSU in the Top 10 but you really can't say Top 4 without Lee. Losing Lee AND moving up makes no sense to me.

Will be more interesting for seeding come March. If KSU stubbles along over the next eight/ten games but gets Lee back, how do you seed them?

Anyway, big game for Big 12 fans tonight. The Lee-less Wildcats in Waco versus the somewhat slumping Baylor Bears. Still, if KSU wins is it "Man, the gals are playing well without Lee" or will it be "Man, Baylor just isn't playing well"
 
Is the Big 12 going to cannibalize itself? Oklahoma St. took what seems like a fairly costly loss to Cincinnati by 2. Oklahoma has Texas in trouble.
 
Pre-season fav Texas and Baylor are now in 5th place and 6th place. Did not see Texas losing at home to the Sooners.

My Cyclones are starting to show they were pretenders and not true surprise contenders. Lost at Kansas tonight and, other than Crooks, looked pretty bad.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Is the Big 12 going to cannibalize itself? Oklahoma St. took what seems like a fairly costly loss to Cincinnati by 2. Oklahoma has Texas in trouble.
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A mid-tier team losing to a lower tier team isn't exactly a shocker. Not sure what to think about some of the other action so far this week.
  • Is OU really better than Texas or is Texas just not as good as thought? Still skeptical about Sooners.
  • Is KSU really that good without Lee? Still skeptical.
  • Is the Cyclone mini-run at some glory over? Probably.
  • Is Baylor out of it? Probably.
 
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ISUnorth said:
A mid-tier team losing to a lower tier team isn't exactly a shocker. Not sure what to think about some of the other action so far this week.
  • Is OU really better than Texas or is Texas just not as good as thought? Still skeptical about Sooners.
  • Is KSU really that good without Lee? Still skeptical.
  • Is the Cyclone mini-run at some glory over? Probably.
  • Is Baylor out of it? Probably.
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1). I have to find it but Coach Schaefer was not happy with the effort of Texas. Injuries are one thing, heart is another.

2). KSU was competitive without Lee last season. They still have a good core that can play hard. It's fair to be skeptical but this team has survived without Lee before.

3). ISU was expected to be up and down. My question to ISU fans is what's going on with Diew? As one of the more senior players, I was expecting more of her this season.

4). Baylor....ummmmmm.....no clue but they definitely should be better than what they've showed recently.
 
cancontent said:
1). I have to find it but Coach Schaefer was not happy with the effort of Texas. Injuries are one thing, heart is another.

2). KSU was competitive without Lee last season. They still have a good core that can play hard. It's fair to be skeptical but this team has survived without Lee before.

3). ISU was expected to be up and down. My question to ISU fans is what's going on with Diew? As one of the more senior players, I was expecting more of her this season.

4). Baylor....ummmmmm.....no clue but they definitely should be better than what they've showed recently.
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No idea what's up with Diew. She's pretty much contributing nothing on offense right now. She was just missing every shot he took, now she looks like she's afraid to shot. Both equal no points from that position. Freshman Jalynn Bristow is getting more minutes now. Most fans want to see her more and Diew less based on their play the last couple of weeks.
 
West Virginia got a career high 31 from Quinerly and sent Iowa St. to to their third loss in as many games played. They did get a forfeit win against TCU.
 
UCF gets their first ever Big 12 win, in OT against Houston.
 
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triaddukefan said:
Does that really count considering its over a fellow 1st year member?
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I think it counts. I realize all of the first year members have been struggling thus far.
 
Don't look now, but BYU is taking K State down to the wire, and it's in Manhattan even.
 
nwhoopfan said:
West Virginia got a career high 31 from Quinerly and sent Iowa St. to to their third loss in as many games played. They did get a forfeit win against TCU.
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To be fair I think we would have beaten TCU in Ames. Freshman Audi Crooks had a great game, 25 points and 16 rebounds. Senior PG Ryan coughed up a hairball of a game, 9 turnovers. WVU had a great shooting game from three. Their guard JJ Quinerly had a great game, she was pretty much the difference maker, 31 points and played all 40 minute.
 
ISUnorth said:
To be fair I think we would have beaten TCU in Ames.
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No doubt, wouldn't have even needed Hilton magic. TCU has been stuck in struggle city for quite a while now.
 
Texas beat Cincy w/o Booker, who suffered an hamstring injury. Apparently Texas played a 3-2 zone in that game... I've never heard of Vic playing zone ever! We have struggled significantly against zone this season--so they may break that out again on Thursday. We were better against Oklahoma St's zone but they only played it a quarter (and aren't really a zone team)--probably b/c they weren't able to box out
 
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12au said:
Texas beat Cincy w/o Booker, who suffered an hamstring injury. Apparently Texas played a 3-2 zone in that game... I've never heard of Vic playing zone ever! We have struggled significantly against zone this season--so they may break that out again on Thursday. We were better against Oklahoma St's zone but they only played it a quarter (and aren't really a zone team)--probably b/c they weren't able to box out
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Missed that news. Not a great week to be without a star starter, Baylor on Thursday and KSU on Saturday. Wonder how long she'll be out? Seems like MLB players are always pulling/straining hamstrings but you don't hear about that being a big one in WBB (at least not that I recall).
 
Iowa State managed to get by a feisty Oklahoma State in Ames tonight. With Hannah Gusters out I thought Cyclones might win by 20 pounding the paint but Cowgirls played some inspired ball and even had the lead in the 3rd.

Cyclone freshman Audi Crooks put in 29. She's gone 25, 25, 29 her last three games and is up to 20.3/game in league play.

Sooners managed to hold off KSU by 3 and give Wildcats their first league loss.
 
ISUnorth said:
Cyclone freshman Audi Crooks put in 29. She's gone 25, 25, 29 her last three games and is up to 20.3/game in league play.
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Plus ISU got not one but two near triple-doubles: Emily Ryan with 9 pts, 9 reb, 14 assists and Addy Brown with 14 pts, 8 reb, 9 assists. It's reportedly the first time since at least 91-92 that ISU has had two players with 9+ assists in the same game. As a team, ISU had 27 assists on 32 made FG.
 
Oof, Iowa St. about to lose to last place UCF. That would be a very bad loss for the young Cyclones.
 
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