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Big 12 Pushing For UConn Part Deux!

Waquoit said:
I, for one, am not surprised.
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Right, I forgot there is one tier of opponents for True UConn fans.

Villanova, Kansas, Jacksonville State, Sacred Heart all the same.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I'd rather face a good (top 25) Nova, Georgetown, St. John's, PC or hell even Hall than any Big 12 team, including KU, but I think it's going to be difficult for more than two of those teams to be fit the bill most years.

I'd put Kansas in a second tier

Then West Virginia, Cincinnati, and Marquette.

Everyone else is more or less the same for me.
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???

I've been watching since the 1970s and this seriously doesn't make any sense for me.

I'd rather watch them play Kansas 100% of the time.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Villanova, Kansas, Jacksonville State, Sacred Heart all the same.
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It is getting harder to tell the jokes. For example, I believe the above to be an attempt at a joke.
 
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upstater said:
???

I've been watching since the 1970s and this seriously doesn't make any sense for me.

I'd rather watch them play Kansas 100% of the time.
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I'm sorry my personal preference doesn't make sense to you.

I'll ensure I fix that asap.
 
superjohn said:
Can't even tell if this is a joke, it's getting harder and harder to tell around here.
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It's best just to assume it is.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I'd rather face a good (top 25) Nova, Georgetown, St. John's, PC or hell even Hall than any Big 12 team, including KU, but I think it's going to be difficult for more than two of those teams to be fit the bill most years.

I'd put Kansas in a second tier

Then West Virginia, Cincinnati, and Marquette.

Everyone else is more or less the same for me.
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Top 25 ranked Georgetown? Good luck finding that unicorn.
 
upstater said:
I'm just worried about your health
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I've grown up seeing UConn play Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova in Big East championship games that mean something to north east basketball.

Kansas is cool, but you can't just erase decades of history and meaning associated with those games with a shiny new toy.

And if memory serves, you're a Penn State guy too so maybe it makes sense being a league with brand names and no rivals but most of us care about this kind of stuff.

Again, 100% for the move, and would be excited to play Kansas but seems kind of similar to Syracuse being gung ho to play UNC and Duke every year. Novelty eventually wears off when you realize you're about 13th on their rivalry pecking order.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
I've grown up seeing UConn play Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova in Big East championship games that mean something to north east basketball.

Kansas is cool, but you can't just erase decades of history and meaning associated with those games with a shiny new toy.

And if memory serves, you're a Penn State guy too so maybe it makes sense being a league with brand names and no rivals but most of us care about this kind of stuff.

Again, 100% for the move, and would be excited to play Kansas but seems kind of similar to Syracuse being gung ho to play UNC and Duke every year. Novelty eventually wears off when you realize you're about 13th on their rivalry pecking order.
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Yeah I think it'll be cool to play Kansas but I don't really care about it.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I've grown up seeing UConn play Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova in Big East championship games that mean something to north east basketball.

Kansas is cool, but you can't just erase decades of history and meaning associated with those games with a shiny new toy.

And if memory serves, you're a Penn State guy too so maybe it makes sense being a league with brand names and no rivals but most of us care about this kind of stuff.

Again, 100% for the move, and would be excited to play Kansas but seems kind of similar to Syracuse being gung ho to play UNC and Duke every year. Novelty eventually wears off when you realize you're about 13th on their rivalry pecking order.
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If Syracuse stayed in the upper eschalon, maybe in 10-15 years there would be enough hardcore fans and enough alumni who knew these as their rivals. Syracuse would still be second tier to them, but it might be closer to something like Duke-Maryland, which was pretty heated. Or to stay closer to home, UConn-Pitt. Even UConn hardly had a real rival for a while, not just because in the 1990s we were so good, but because in the 1980s we were so bad. It took until the mid-2000s before enough Syracuse fans disliked us to put us into their 1B or 2 slot in rivalries.

Time and meaningful games is what makes rivalries and excitement for fans. Syracuse doesn't have that right now. Neither would UConn in the B12 right now, though there'd be some Cincy and WVU juice for older fans. And they could absolutely develop rivalries with some of the other major programs like Kansas.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I've grown up seeing UConn play Georgetown, St. John's and Villanova in Big East championship games that mean something to north east basketball.

Kansas is cool, but you can't just erase decades of history and meaning associated with those games with a shiny new toy.

And if memory serves, you're a Penn State guy too so maybe it makes sense being a league with brand names and no rivals but most of us care about this kind of stuff.

Again, 100% for the move, and would be excited to play Kansas but seems kind of similar to Syracuse being gung ho to play UNC and Duke every year. Novelty eventually wears off when you realize you're about 13th on their rivalry pecking order.
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I may be older than you, who knows. I grew up watching UConn play Holy Cross in the 70s. So... yes those games were great. But we're 40 years past that. A lot of time has passed. Georgetown and St John's are not what they once were and they haven't been that in a very very very long time. Kansas is a perennial blue blood.

If we drop to Syracuse levels of ineptitude, we have other problems here anyway.

I was a UConn fan long before I did one of my grad degrees at Penn State, but really, PSU does have big rivalries in the B1G. It really does. It shouldn't even be a surprise since they've been there for 30 years now. That's a lot of time
 
If i could quietly put football in the b12 and keep basketball and all other sports in the big east I'd do it. That option doesn't exist.
 
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noeynox said:
This take is more delusional than Big12 fans who say we'll take UConn BB, but not FB.
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Don't think it's delusional. The Big East is better for basketball.

Perhaps you missed the last sentence: "That option doesn't exist"

...which is obvious since much of UConn's brand is built on basketball. B12 would never want UConn FB without the other sports
 
Tyler2Rings said:
Don't think it's delusional. The Big East is better for basketball. Perhaps you missed the last sentence: "That option doesn't exist"
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I saw it. Doesn't mean its not a delusional take. "Our outstanding BB we want to keep right here. BUT Give us a home for our decade plus struggling FB program and oh yeah, where is our 20 million a year?"
 
theathletic.com

After Big 12 adds Colorado, what’s next? Pac-12 schools targets, but don’t sleep on UConn

Step one in Big 12 expansion is adding Colorado. Though a Pac-12 school could be targeted next, Brett Yormark also likes the idea of UConn.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

If Colorado is the only Pac-12 member coming in, don’t be surprised if Yormark goes all-in on UConn. All the political capital he’s gaining in the eyes of his league presidents, chancellors and ADs from pulling off this Colorado move? Conference sources believe that’s where he wants to spend it.

But Yormark sees an entry point into New York City. He sees a dominant basketball conference and big-time events at Madison Square Garden. He sees a future in which the Big 12 makes more money down the road by decoupling its media rights package and selling its basketball rights separately. Conference sources say he sees a sort of buy-low opportunity here, a bet that the Big 12 investing in UConn over the rest of the decade will drive up the conference’s value. For him, there’s no hesitation. There’s real conviction.
 
noeynox said:
This take is more delusional than Big12 fans who say we'll take UConn BB, but not FB.
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I'm glad that you can't read. It would also depend on the amount of $$$$ involved. I think regional leagues are probably healthier for the fanbase and the rest but the money obviates all those possibilities.

But as I said, it is not a possibility. The B12 would be insane to offer that possibility. The delusional take is you took it seriously. I can't believe you did that.
 
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Patman said:
I'm glad that you can't read. It would also depend on the amount of $$$$ involved. I think regional leagues are probably healthier for the fanbase and the rest but the money obviates all those possibilities.

But as I said, it is not a possibility. The B12 would be insane to offer that possibility. The delusional take is you took it seriously. I can't believe you did that.
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I didn't take it serious in the same way i don't take Big12 fans serious when they say they want out BB to cement their status as the premier BB league but not our FB.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
How is it better for basketball?
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Prefacing this by saying I am in full support of UConn to the Big 12. But since you asked...

1) Regional rivals. We have 40 years of history with 5 members of the BE. What is our history with the B12? WVU and Cincy, and thats about it.
2) Conference Tournament. MSG, the worlds most famous arena, I don't need to explain how this is a better situation than KC/Dallas would be.
3) It's good to be king. UConn is the big dog in the BE. That is the national perception, even though we have not dominated our conference foes on the court. That is a luxury we will not have in the B12 with Kansas, Baylor and others. We will still be good no doubt, but just another team.

All of these challenges can be faced and overcome, and I think Coach Hurley and AD David Benedict are the right people to lead UConn through them. But in strict Basketball terms, we have a sweet setup in the Big East that any new conference would struggle to top
 
noeynox said:
I didn't take it serious in the same way i don't take Big12 fans serious when they say they want out BB to cement their status as the premier BB league but not our FB.
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Which is why I said "quietly". Without anybody noticing or caring. I know it's impossible. I have no delusions.
 
Tyler2Rings said:
Prefacing this by saying I am in full support of UConn to the Big 12. But since you asked...

1) Regional rivals. We have 40 years of history with 5 members of the BE. What is our history with the B12? WVU and Cincy, and thats about it.
2) Conference Tournament. MSG, the worlds most famous arena, I don't need to explain how this is a better situation than KC/Dallas would be.
3) It's good to be king. UConn is the big dog in the BE. That is the national perception, even though we have not dominated our conference foes on the court. That is a luxury we will not have in the B12 with Kansas, Baylor and others. We will still be good no doubt, but just another team.

All of these challenges can be faced and overcome, and I think Coach Hurley and AD David Benedict are the right people to lead UConn through them. But in strict Basketball terms, we have a sweet setup in the Big East that any new conference would struggle to top
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From the fan interest point of view, local is better. Local is always better. Familiar, close, and interesting will win out. B12 offers interesting but it doesn't offer familiar or close. From the money and TV perspective though that isn't how it plays.
 
Patman said:
From the fan interest point of view, local is better. Local is always better. Familiar, close, and interesting will win out. B12 offers interesting but it doesn't offer familiar or close. From the money and TV perspective though that isn't how it plays.
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Yeah I have no doubts that the B12 move has to happen if given the opportunity. There is a long list of schools who made this same decision before us. Having grown up in the "New" Old Big East era (late 2000s-10s) I still shed a tear remembering what was, but also realize it ain't coming back
 
Patman said:
From the fan interest point of view, local is better. Local is always better. Familiar, close, and interesting will win out. B12 offers interesting but it doesn't offer familiar or close. From the money and TV perspective though that isn't how it plays.
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Maybe Connecticut has changed since I last lived there 3 decades ago, but do you all really run into Villanova, St Johns, Seton Hall and Providence grads regularly?

I don't remember this phenomenon at all.

I do think UConn has great rivalries with Villanova and St. John's, but this has everything to do with basketball and the coaches and players, and almost nothing to do with local people. St. John's has obviously fallen way off.

The loss of a rivalry with Villanova will be huge. If it comes to pass.
 
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