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Big 12 Non-Expansion: What Does It Mean to the AAC and UConn?

noeynox said:
Break down by geographic pods. The purposes are to be the undisputed best league outside the P5, and secure that NY6, bid every year. Everyone doesn't agree I get it, but it's time to try something different.
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The American is by far the best non P5 league. It's the AAC+Boise+BYU.

Adding 11 more mouths to feed of schools that spend a fraction of we do does nothing to lessen that.

Everyone knows the AAC isn't a great place for UConn, but somehow adding 12 teams that a) make less than us b) have no national cache aside from Boise Football c) further dilute our schedule makes no sense.

Ride it out until our TV deal is up and if we don't get poached between now and then we should see a marginal increase in our TV deal and could fight to get tier 3 back.
 
frankthetank said:
Now, you might not like how the line is constructed, but it's actually a very clear line and there's nothing really artificial about it.

In the BCS era, there were 6 AQ conferences that were provided with guaranteed access to the top level bowls.

In the CFP era, there are now 5 P5 conferences that are provided with guaranteed access to the top level bowls.

That seems pretty clear. Maybe it's not "fair", but it's definitely clear.

Also, it doesn't matter whether Wake Forest is more valuable than UConn or not. Wake Forest is a founding member of the ACC and, just like the founding member of a successful company, they get to enjoy the fruits of that founding status as long as the ACC exists. They were in the right place at the right time. As a comparison, Mark Zuckerberg's personal assistant/secretary that was granted a bunch of Facebook options before their IPO and is surely wealthier now than all of us here on this board combined and then some. If you or I wanted to get the same amount of Facebook stock as a new employee, we'd essentially have to create an entire new line of business for Facebook that generated billions of dollars of revenue. Is that "fair" even if you had a PhD from MIT and an MBA from Harvard with genius math ability while Zuckerberg's PA just happened to answer the right Monster ad back when Facebook was a tiny startup? Well, the point is that first movers and founders get disproportionate rewards. This is a long-winded way of saying that being better than Wake Forest is NOT the standard to get into the P5. Instead, you have to compare yourselves to at least the middle of the pack of the P5 (if not better) because that's really the standard that's going to apply to G5 schools wanting to get in going forward.
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You made comment about the P5 label being valuable to the TV networks. My point is that there is very little difference between your bottom 1/3 of the P5 and much of the schools in the AAC with respect to on field performance.
The only difference is that some have a P5 label and others don't. It's an artificial line that only exists to create a two tier system.
And one that creates significant value for the networks at the cost of schools like Uconn. On top of that, the rules are skewed so that G5 don't even get a chance to compete on a level playing field which only further propagates the notion of P5 superiority. It's crap.

On the open market WF has minimal value vs Uconn. And if schools are willing to collude with networks to artificially deflate the value of other peer schools, how long before they go after the WF's.
It's happening now with the Big12. The little eight are about to get cut out.
 
ZooCougar said:
No. Just look at the results at USF. There is far more evidence that I am right.
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No it doesn't. Being an Assistant Coach is very, very different than being a Head Coach. It may be that PP could still be a successful assistant. So what.
 
businesslawyer said:
No it doesn't. Being an Assistant Coach is very, very different than being a Head Coach. It may be that PP could still be a successful assistant. So what.
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You seriously wouldn't even consider him as an OC? Alrighty then.
 
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ZooCougar said:
Most head coaches were successful coordinators first, right?
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Don't know if you saw the article prior to our game with them but he doesn't call the plays for USF (Taggart does). While he certainly plays a part in the success of their offense this year, you could easily say that has as much to do with the talent they have on the field as well as the plays called by Taggart.

He himself said he didn't think he earned the UConn Head Coach offer with his performance as Interim.
 
Yeah but I almost wonder a bit if it's just kind of time to break a lot of the traditional rules. Because playing by those rules has gotten these teams almost nowhere.

The prospective merger to me - or at least going full blown rogue and adding all of the nation's misfit toys... reminds me in a way a lot of the original Big East's mentality minus the more regional appeal, obviously. You have a lot of different schools with different structures, who are all competitive but considered second tier. I think you can maintain the 'markets' approach if you're selective and as long as you're willing to have a few tomato cans in each of your big sports, I feel like it'd be do-able.

-Boise State is obviously the lynch pin. We're a ferocious football conference with them added.
-San Diego State and UNLV make sense on both the football and hoops fronts.
-Colorado State makes sense for football, but there really isn't a hoops compliment that makes much sense...

...unless you allow a VCU type to take up hoops-only membership.. I'm getting into STUPID fantasy land here, but you're looking at a pretty good hoops conference with:

UConn
Houston
Memphis
Cincinnati
UNLV
San Diego State
Temple
VCU

....All within the conference.. and a really good collection of coaches to go with some of your less competitive programs looking to move the ball forward a bit.

With football you're looking at

Air Force, UConn, Boise State, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, SDSU, UNLV, UCF, USF, Temple, East Carolina..

To me it's a mess of interests, scheduling and some other things... but that's a pretty good conference on both ends of the spectrum. Maybe even Wichita State has some interest as a hoops member..

I'm totally off the rails on a range of fronts, but I think if the American is going to have a fighting chance, then they need to kind of shake the approach up and break a lot of stuff to do it..
 
I'd see if Army and Air Force would be interested in football-only adds a la Navy. I would think having all three service academies in the conference could uniquely enhance the AAC's footprint in a national way. This would further increase the value of the AAC's football product. Perhaps CBS Sports would want to be league-wide exclusive broadcast partners then for all sports. They already have the service academy contract for football, right?
 
Towney007 said:
Yeah but I almost wonder a bit if it's just kind of time to break a lot of the traditional rules. Because playing by those rules has gotten these teams almost nowhere.

The prospective merger to me - or at least going full blown rogue and adding all of the nation's misfit toys... reminds me in a way a lot of the original Big East's mentality minus the more regional appeal, obviously. You have a lot of different schools with different structures, who are all competitive but considered second tier. I think you can maintain the 'markets' approach if you're selective and as long as you're willing to have a few tomato cans in each of your big sports, I feel like it'd be do-able.

-Boise State is obviously the lynch pin. We're a ferocious football counference with them added.
-San Diego State and UNLV make sense on both the football and hoops fronts.
-Colorado State makes sense for football, but there really isn't a hoops compliment that makes much sense...

...unless you allow a VCU type to take up hoops-only membership.. I'm getting into STUPID fantasy land here, but you're looking at a pretty good hoops conference with:

UConn
Houston
Memphis
Cincinnati
UNLV
San Diego State
Temple
VCU

....All within the conference.. and a really good collection of coaches to go with some of your less competitive programs looking to move the ball forward a bit.

With football you're looking at

Air Force, UConn, Boise State, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, SDSU, UNLV, UCF, USF, Temple, East Carolina..

To me it's a mess of interests, scheduling and some other things... but that's a pretty good conference on both ends of the spectrum. Maybe even Wichita State has some interest as a hoops member..

I'm totally off the rails on a range of fronts, but I think if the American is going to have a fighting chance, then they need to kind of shake the approach up and break a lot of stuff to do it..
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Wichita Kansas is a short drive to Tulsa (2.5 hours) so even though they have talked MW the AAC is a natural. In case anyone missed it Aresco recently went on record siting schools like UConn and a few others unhappiness with the lack of BB competition. It sounded like something that should be addressed.
I don't necessarily want football adds unless it's to appease a key football member like Navy or media partner.
Let's not pretend any G5 conference actually is a long term school goal and conference collegiality can be achieved . . It's a marraige of convienence to keep your hopes alive .
The only goal is maximizing revenue short term
 
frankthetank said:
Well, I agree that it's setting the bar at a really high level. The Big 12 just decided not to invite anyone despite having the lowest financial and academic barriers to entry out of any P5 league, so it's even higher for the other power conferences. The bar is only going to get higher from this point forward (which is why alternative options like football independence for UConn, which would have been a terrible idea before yesterday, might now need to be at least considered since the P5 is effectively shutting its doors down for the next generation).
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Frank:

Like I said, UMASS would love to be in the American right now.

Big 12 football expansion: UMass needs to be ready to pounce on conference realignment trickle-down effect
 
jbdphi said:
Don't know if you saw the article prior to our game with them but he doesn't call the plays for USF (Taggart does). While he certainly plays a part in the success of their offense this year, you could easily say that has as much to do with the talent they have on the field as well as the plays called by Taggart.

He himself said he didn't think he earned the UConn Head Coach offer with his performance as Interim.
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I think he was being humble. Things turned out alright for him, and he didn't want to come off as bitter.
 
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Towney007 said:
I'm friends with the highest up in the athletic administration at UMass. I don't have a lot of connections in life, but I know everyone meaningful there well.

They'd eat their left toe to be in the American.
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One of the big problems in athletics is that some AD convinced some president to make a decision, and 10-15 years down the road, the new Ad and the new president claim that the decision has already been made, and that they are stuck with the investments already made, and that to blow it up now is to admit to sunk costs, and that risks the current job.

This is how schools get stuck in no win situations. You can explain the absurdity of it all. Schools will risk losing AAU status over it. But in the end, the leaders are gutless and continue on doing craziness.

This is another way of saying that UMass has not yet sunk its financial future with $200m in debt for building facilities.
 
frankthetank said:
Tulane is a legitimately excellent academic school, though - that's what university presidents want..
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So CR is all about football success, except that university presidents are making the decisions, so it's really about academics, except that it is really about and ratings, except that ratings don't matter unless you are P5, and the games that rated the highest are football, so CR is all about football success, except that university presidents....
 
Football does seem to drive some of the media contracts...at least we know that is true for the ACC according to several statements from the conference commissioner. Other conferences may have different drivers but we have heard a lot of rumbling from the Big 12 about teams not having enough "value". Whatever that means to the conference.

I am sure that markets and other factors also play in.

But football seems to be the straw that stirs the drink.


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This board is showing its aholeness and truncated his email

athletic director
@
UConn.edu
 
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MattMang23 said:
There is an entirely different reason it stops mattering after two nutkicks. When you don't have any nuts left to kick it no longer hurts.
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don't undersell the taint kick...
 
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