Big 10 Over Hyped

[Adios]

As of right now, Russell Westbrook has a better chance to get into the Hall of Fame than Kwahi Leonard or Kyrie Irving, according to professionals. It's all a joke.

 

[ConnZag3]

I'll continue to bang the drum of Illinois being the most overrated team in the country. They have 1 legit win over Iowa, otherwise have lost all their other "tough" matchups (Ohio St., Baylor, Missouri) and have racked up wins against the mediocre middle of the B1G.

Bad loss getting dominated by Michigan St. yesterday now too and have Michigan and another Ohio St. matchup still to play. Dosunmu is legit, but the rest of that team is sketchy at best. Would not be at all surprised to see them done the first weekend of the tournament.

 

[Improviser]

Can you please send this or tweet to one of the college bball talking heads.

Excellent commentary.

Excellent research.

 

[superjohn]

I'll continue to bang the drum of Illinois being the most overrated team in the country. They have 1 legit win over Iowa, otherwise have lost all their other "tough" matchups (Ohio St., Baylor, Missouri) and have racked up wins against the mediocre middle of the B1G.

Bad loss getting dominated by Michigan St. yesterday now too and have Michigan and another Ohio St. matchup still to play. Dosunmu is legit, but the rest of that team is sketchy at best. Would not be at all surprised to see them done the first weekend of the tournament.

Kofi is sketchy at best? 17.5 ppg, 10 rebs, 1.5 blocks on 67% field goals is sketchy at best?

 

[tzznandrew]

Kofi is sketchy at best? 17.5 ppg, 10 rebs, 1.5 blocks on 67% field goals is sketchy at best?

Give me that type of sketchy all day. Can you imagine if we had him this year?

 

[ConnZag3]

Kofi is sketchy at best? 17.5 ppg, 10 rebs, 1.5 blocks on 67% field goals is sketchy at best?

Kofi is foul prone and unable to be on the court at the end of games due to poor FT shooting. He's clearly their #2 and probably doesn't deserve to be lumped into the sketchy bucket so that's fine, but he's not going to go win them a game either.

 

[ZenConn]

In the end, it's a guard's game and essentially marginalized the old school big man. On our team, our bigs, with the lack of footspeed, had a problem with Wahab all game. Most of them coming off of the screen and roll for a dunk or a post up really deep into the paint. If we double on Wahab, we leave their shooters open. The stretch 4/5 will doom us in the end - Dawson Garcia, Mamu, Robinson-Earl, Freemantle, etc.

Kofi here being burned after a switch off of a screen.

 

[BlueDogs]

B1G basketball is always overrated. They play circa a 1990 big men basketball and mange to consistently under achieve.

 

[pepband99]

Minnesota is 0-8 on the road. That’s really bad.

One other annoyance for this year:

In addition to the general lack of "OOC" games, is the lack of crowds. Most of the measurements weigh road wins larger over home ones. I know there should probably be some accounting for travel/quarantining/etc etc, but the idea of that weight being unchanged, this year, seems like madness.

 

[freescooter]

You know what, the standard for getting into the Tournament isn’t really who can win it. Occasionally a lower seed does it but it’s pretty rare. If that were the standard you’d probably go back to the 1950s and just take 8 teams. Really you take every league champ and then at least in theory, the next 32 “best”. Despite all the statistical analysis that is still a beauty contest once you get past the first 8-10. Realistically it really doesn’t matter who gets the 8-12 seeds which is sort of where those 6-8 bid from a league teams end up. They aren’t going to win. They are there to fill out the field and the sponsors, the NCAA and the networks all would prefer to see Duke and Michigan State and Maryland, schools who people have heard of rather than Monmouth or Bellarmine. I haven’t researched it but iirc 3 in the 64 + team era seed 8 (3), 9(1), 10(1) and 11(4) made the Final Four. So it’s not like those teams getting the extra bids are likely going anywhere anyway. They are mostly bracket fillers no matter what Lunari or NET or RPI tell you.

 

[NatiHuskiFan]

2000 was the last time a B10 won it all (1 championship in 30 years). Much of that post is warranted. The conference rarely has a performance that justifies the lofty expectations and rankings between November and early March.

Even the 2000 championship was given a huge assist by a Kenyon Martin injury! I never understand Michigan State being included as a blue blood

 

[NJHusky]

Give me that type of sketchy all day. Can you imagine if we had him this year?

He’d be too busy running around doubling and setting picks 30 ft from the basket to get any points or rebounds

 

[tzznandrew]

B1G basketball is always overrated. They play circa a 1990 big men basketball and mange to consistently under achieve.

I know it's easy to say this, but since 2001—a year after Michigan State won the last NCAA for the conference— they've tied the ACC for most Final Four participants (14) and are second in title game appearances (7 vs. 9 for the ACC). They also have had the most different teams appear in the finals (6) over that time. As a conference, they certainly aren't underperforming...and if I went a year back, they get a title and pass the ACC on Final Four appearances. And if I go two years back, that gap widens.

Big Ten

2001: Michigan State, Final Four
2002: Indiana, Runner-up
2005: Illinois, Runner-up
2005: Michigan State, Final Four
2007: Ohio State, Runner-up
2009: Michigan State, Runner-up
2010: Michigan State, Final Four
2012: Ohio State, Final Four
2013: Michigan, Runner-up
2014: Wisconsin, Runner-up
2015: Wisconsin, Runner-up
2015: Michigan State, Final Four
2018: Michigan, Runner-up
2019: Michigan State, Final Four

14 Final Four Teams, 6 different title game participants in 7 appearances (0 titles)

ACC
2001: Duke, Champion
2001: Maryland, Final Four
2002: Maryland, Champion
2004: Georgia Tech, Runner-up
2004: Duke, Final Four
2005: North Carolina, Champion
2008: North Carolina, Final Four
2009: North Carolina, Champion
2010: Duke, Champion
2015: Duke, Champion
2016: North Carolina, Runner-up
2016: Syracuse, Final Four
2017: North Carolina, Champion
2019: Virginia, Champion

14 Final Four teams, 5 different title game participants in 9 appearances (8 titles)

Big 12
2002: Kansas, Final Four
2002: Oklahoma, Final Four
2003: Kansas, Runner-up
2004: Oklahoma State, Final Four
2008: Kansas, Champion
2012: Kansas, Runner-up
2016: Oklahoma, Final Four
2018: Kansas, Final Four
2019: Texas Tech, Runner-up

9 Final Four teams, 2 different title game participants in 3 appearances (1 title)

Pac 12
2001: Arizona, Runner-up
2006: UCLA, Runner-up
2007: UCLA, Final Four
2008: UCLA, Final Four
2017: Oregon, Final Four

5 Final Four teams, 2 different title game participants in 2 appearances (0 titles)

Big East
2003: Syracuse, Champion
2004: UConn, Champion
2007: Georgetown, Final Four
2009: UConn, Final Four
2009: Villanova, Final Four
2010: West Virginia, Final Four
2011: UConn, Champion
2012: Louisville, Final Four
2013: Louisville, Champion
2013: Syracuse, Final Four
2016: Villanova, Champion
2018: Villanova, Champion

12 Final Four teams, 4 different title game participants in 6 appearances (6 titles)

SEC
2006: Florida, Champion
2006: LSU: Final Four
2007: Florida, Champion
2011: Kentucky, Final Four
2012: Kentucky, Champion
2014: Kentucky, Runner-up
2014: Florida, Final Four
2015: Kentucky, Final Four
2017: South Carolina, Final Four
2019: Auburn, Final Four

10 Final Four teams, 2 different title game participants in 4 appearances (3 titles)

 

[tzznandrew]

He’d be too busy running around doubling and setting picks 30 ft from the basket to get any points or rebounds

You do realize if we had someone who didn't get in immediate foul trouble and averaged 17ppg, we might have a different strategy, right?

 

[7774]

I think the Big 10 sees a lot of first weekend upsets. I’ve watched a good amount of their games, and only Illinois and Wisconsin stick out as teams that can go far.

Michigan, Ohio State, and Iowa all lack really great (and deep) guard play. They have nice frontcourts but watching their offense is painful. It’s not as bad as UConn’s, but close.

Rutgers can also make a splash into the second weekend I think. They have the talent. Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, Maryland and the rest of them are so meh. They would struggle in the Big East, and any other power conference.

I can't tell if this is a joke about the offense of Iowa, OSU, and Michigan, but they are #1, 3, & 6 in the country in offensive efficiency.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

I know it's easy to say this, but since 2001—a year after Michigan State won the last NCAA for the conference— they've tied the ACC for most Final Four participants (14) and are second in title game appearances (7 vs. 9 for the ACC). They also have had the most different teams appear in the finals (6) over that time. As a conference, they certainly aren't underperforming...and if I went a year back, they get a title and pass the ACC on Final Four appearances. And if I go two years back, that gap widens.

Big Ten

2001: Michigan State, Final Four
2002: Indiana, Runner-up
2005: Illinois, Runner-up
2005: Michigan State, Final Four
2007: Ohio State, Runner-up
2009: Michigan State, Runner-up
2010: Michigan State, Final Four
2012: Ohio State, Final Four
2013: Michigan, Runner-up
2014: Wisconsin, Runner-up
2015: Wisconsin, Runner-up
2015: Michigan State, Final Four
2018: Michigan, Runner-up
2019: Michigan State, Final Four

14 Final Four Teams, 6 different title game participants in 7 appearances (0 titles)

ACC
2001: Duke, Champion
2001: Maryland, Final Four
2002: Maryland, Champion
2004: Georgia Tech, Runner-up
2004: Duke, Final Four
2005: North Carolina, Champion
2008: North Carolina, Final Four
2009: North Carolina, Champion
2010: Duke, Champion
2015: Duke, Champion
2016: North Carolina, Runner-up
2016: Syracuse, Final Four
2017: North Carolina, Champion
2019: Virginia, Champion

14 Final Four teams, 5 different title game participants in 9 appearances (8 titles)

Big 12
2002: Kansas, Final Four
2002: Oklahoma, Final Four
2003: Kansas, Runner-up
2004: Oklahoma State, Final Four
2008: Kansas, Champion
2012: Kansas, Runner-up
2016: Oklahoma, Final Four
2018: Kansas, Final Four
2019: Texas Tech, Runner-up

9 Final Four teams, 2 different title game participants in 3 appearances (1 title)

Pac 12
2001: Arizona, Runner-up
2006: UCLA, Runner-up
2007: UCLA, Final Four
2008: UCLA, Final Four
2017: Oregon, Final Four

5 Final Four teams, 2 different title game participants in 2 appearances (0 titles)

Big East
2003: Syracuse, Champion
2004: UConn, Champion
2007: Georgetown, Final Four
2009: UConn, Final Four
2009: Villanova, Final Four
2010: West Virginia, Final Four
2011: UConn, Champion
2012: Louisville, Final Four
2013: Louisville, Champion
2013: Syracuse, Final Four
2016: Villanova, Champion
2018: Villanova, Champion

12 Final Four teams, 4 different title game participants in 6 appearances (6 titles)

SEC
2006: Florida, Champion
2006: LSU: Final Four
2007: Florida, Champion
2011: Kentucky, Final Four
2012: Kentucky, Champion
2014: Kentucky, Runner-up
2014: Florida, Final Four
2015: Kentucky, Final Four
2017: South Carolina, Final Four
2019: Auburn, Final Four

10 Final Four teams, 2 different title game participants in 4 appearances (3 titles)

nice resume for an historic bunch of losers. downright 'back in the day' buffalo bills super bowl choke artist level. im sure that their moms are proud, tho. pretty funny how big 10 gets the 'they're all giants, country farmboy dominators' label, equivalent to 'them eastern city kids, they all streetwise gangsta ballin', in your face, unguardable beasts.' and don't forget those kali/west coast surfer dudes with their supposed high flyin, scoring machine tags. all 3 labels -ridiculous.
until proven otherwise, im sticking with 'big 10- a decades long chokers festival of hype,' cuz, ya know, that's what their record sez.
aaaaaannnnnnddddd, here's the list of benificiaries of big ten hype. check out the ones since their last natty. count me as unimpressed.
Big Ten Conference Players Drafted in the NBA - RealGM

 

[Get a Job]

One other annoyance for this year:

In addition to the general lack of "OOC" games, is the lack of crowds. Most of the measurements weigh road wins larger over home ones. I know there should probably be some accounting for travel/quarantining/etc etc, but the idea of that weight being unchanged, this year, seems like madness.

I hope someone does a rigorous study of this topic. It could be fascinating to learn how results from this crowdless season compare to those of a "normal" season as it pertains to home-court advantage. For example, if it turns out that road teams fared equally or worse relative to a normal season, it would raise the question if crowds matter at all (to the game outcome). Regardless of the results of such studies, it would definitely be interesting.

 

[CTBasketball]

I can't tell if this is a joke about the offense of Iowa, OSU, and Michigan, but they are #1, 3, & 6 in the country in offensive efficiency.

They don’t pass my blind eye test!

 

[NJHusky]

You do realize if we had someone who didn't get in immediate foul trouble and averaged 17ppg, we might have a different strategy, right?

I sure hope so...do you think maybe all the running around is contributing to the foul trouble? If Sanogo switched places with Kofi, my guess is his numbers would be less, but much better than at Uconn

 

[bendm]

Marquette up 17 on UNC in the first half right now. gets us some respect if they can hold on

 

[UconnFanDC]

Not exactly the same argument. The BE murdered their non con matchups in 2011.

Not my point but, I actually only care that Uconn makes the Turney.

 

[UconnFanDC]

Marquette up 17 on UNC in the first half right now. gets us some respect if they can hold on

Would be a good boost for BE but more importantly, Uconn's resume

 

[freescooter]

2011 actually showed the problem with too many teams from a single conference getting bids. With the exception of UConn, obviously, the league pretty much flamed out. 2 teams made great Sweet 16 out of 11 and that was guaranteed since 2 second round games featured Big East vs Big East. But for a league that got so many bids, it sort of unbalanced the brackets, and the league was shown to be something of a paper tiger. #1 seed Pitt lost in the second round. St Johns was a 6 and lost in the first round. #2 Notre Dame got blown out of the building by the mighty Zips of Akron. UConn won but nobody else did much. It also made a mess of the seeding. An 11 and an 8 seed went to the Final Four. Nobody wants to see Butler-VCU national semi-final Again. Generally speaking the league was way overrated that year. It resulted in a mess of seeding and silly brackets. We were a huge beneficiary but I think the NCAA will try mightily to avoid such an unbalanced tournament. Too many teams from 1 conference just causes too many problems.

 

[aburks41]

I know it's easy to say this, but since 2001—a year after Michigan State won the last NCAA for the conference— they've tied the ACC for most Final Four participants (14) and are second in title game appearances (7 vs. 9 for the ACC). They also have had the most different teams appear in the finals (6) over that time. As a conference, they certainly aren't underperforming...and if I went a year back, they get a title and pass the ACC on Final Four appearances. And if I go two years back, that gap widens.

Big Ten

2001: Michigan State, Final Four
2002: Indiana, Runner-up
2005: Illinois, Runner-up
2005: Michigan State, Final Four
2007: Ohio State, Runner-up
2009: Michigan State, Runner-up
2010: Michigan State, Final Four
2012: Ohio State, Final Four
2013: Michigan, Runner-up
2014: Wisconsin, Runner-up
2015: Wisconsin, Runner-up
2015: Michigan State, Final Four
2018: Michigan, Runner-up
2019: Michigan State, Final Four

14 Final Four Teams, 6 different title game participants in 7 appearances (0 titles)

ACC
2001: Duke, Champion
2001: Maryland, Final Four
2002: Maryland, Champion
2004: Georgia Tech, Runner-up
2004: Duke, Final Four
2005: North Carolina, Champion
2008: North Carolina, Final Four
2009: North Carolina, Champion
2010: Duke, Champion
2015: Duke, Champion
2016: North Carolina, Runner-up
2016: Syracuse, Final Four
2017: North Carolina, Champion
2019: Virginia, Champion

14 Final Four teams, 5 different title game participants in 9 appearances (8 titles)

Big 12
2002: Kansas, Final Four
2002: Oklahoma, Final Four
2003: Kansas, Runner-up
2004: Oklahoma State, Final Four
2008: Kansas, Champion
2012: Kansas, Runner-up
2016: Oklahoma, Final Four
2018: Kansas, Final Four
2019: Texas Tech, Runner-up

9 Final Four teams, 2 different title game participants in 3 appearances (1 title)

Pac 12
2001: Arizona, Runner-up
2006: UCLA, Runner-up
2007: UCLA, Final Four
2008: UCLA, Final Four
2017: Oregon, Final Four

5 Final Four teams, 2 different title game participants in 2 appearances (0 titles)

Big East
2003: Syracuse, Champion
2004: UConn, Champion
2007: Georgetown, Final Four
2009: UConn, Final Four
2009: Villanova, Final Four
2010: West Virginia, Final Four
2011: UConn, Champion
2012: Louisville, Final Four
2013: Louisville, Champion
2013: Syracuse, Final Four
2016: Villanova, Champion
2018: Villanova, Champion

12 Final Four teams, 4 different title game participants in 6 appearances (6 titles)

SEC
2006: Florida, Champion
2006: LSU: Final Four
2007: Florida, Champion
2011: Kentucky, Final Four
2012: Kentucky, Champion
2014: Kentucky, Runner-up
2014: Florida, Final Four
2015: Kentucky, Final Four
2017: South Carolina, Final Four
2019: Auburn, Final Four

10 Final Four teams, 2 different title game participants in 4 appearances (3 titles)

2014 Wisconsin was not a runner up. They got Aaron Harrison'd in the Final Four. Every UConn fan should know this lol

 

[Ricker]

Submitted this to Lunardi's facebook Bracket Bunker Q&A. Please post any related response you may hear or see. PM me If there is someplace else to send the statement, or an actual email address for him. It was Lunardi's top 32 on Feb 23, so it wouldn't be accurate for other bracketologists.

"Big Ten ZERO wins vs ANY Big 12 or SEC team or top Big East. 0-8 vs other OOC teams in your top 32. 17-14 vs other major conferences. Yet all 14 teams in Ken Pom strength of schedule top 20, and .500 teams are in. Without actual proof of true conference strength why the favoritism".