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Message: [QUOTE="RichZ, post: 4005912, member: 534"] I've had very, very bad experiences with pizza from most anywhere in upstate NY. Seems like just about anywhere north of Westchester, you have trouble finding a place that will actually bake it. Char? Leoparding? Nope. Just pasty looking, soft, undercooked crust. And the same sauce they use on their pasta dishes in many cases. I did find a decent pie once in Candagua, and Buffalo has some OK pizza. I've heard rumors of, but not experienced first hand, pretty good pie in Troy, and I have identified the one pizza shop in Ticonderoga what can and will cook one decently if you ask for very well done. Owner is from CT. [/QUOTE]