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This is terribly sad, and frightening; but it would have been nice if they mentioned his well-documented history of mental illness.
 
superjohn said:
If would also be nice if he was held accountable for his violent crimes. It's crazy he's still walking the streets and not in some court-ordered mental health facility or prison.
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No question. They detailed his prior incidents, which is obviously an important part of the story. I think his mental illness is also an important part of the story.
 
Very sad, he's blessed as a father to have 2 beautiful sons and picturing him punching them is really bad. He's done a whole slew of bad things but punching his son really affects me. Always was a big fan from his recruitment onward. Needs lots of help and hope he is receptive and gets the help he needs.
 
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What is this, arrest #4? #5?

I'm confused how a dude with this much history of violence...who clearly isn't medicated...was given bail after he beat his child in a freaking airport.

Every second he spends unsupervised is a danger to the public. At a certain point he's going to kill someone, or someone is going to kill him.

Lock him up and get him some help.
 
superjohn said:
If would also be nice if he was held accountable for his violent crimes. It's crazy he's still walking the streets and not in some court-ordered mental health facility or prison.
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My sister has done far, far less than him and was mandated into rehab a few weeks ago. Different state, but it's not like he can't afford it. It's insane that a dude with multiple assault charges in the last few years is walking the streets right now. Especially after hitting a 10 year old.
 
8893 said:
No question. They detailed his prior incidents, which is obviously an important part of the story. I think his mental illness is also an important part of the story.
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Plenty of people who have mental illness don’t beat up bouncers. That is not an excuse.
 
shizzle787 said:
Plenty of people who have mental illness don’t beat up bouncers. That is not an excuse.
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Of course. Where did I say it was an excuse?

I am talking about the reporting. It’s part of the story. It was pretty newsworthy when he wrote that long piece about it. It’s sad that he hasn’t gotten the help he needs, but I’m not suggesting that anyone else is to blame. I just think it’s important to cover it.
 
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husky429 said:
What is this, arrest #4? #5?

I'm confused how a dude with this much history of violence...who clearly isn't medicated...was given bail after he beat his child in a freaking airport.

Every second he spends unsupervised is a danger to the public. At a certain point he's going to kill someone, or someone is going to kill him.

Lock him up and get him some help.
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Shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. This one is Illinois, but have you seen/heard the results of bail reform laws in NY state? Gordon’s despicable behavior at LGA wasn’t going to get him locked up, sadly.
 
shizzle787 said:
Plenty of people who have mental illness don’t beat up bouncers. That is not an excuse.
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And even if it is an "excuse" it doesn't mean he should be walking the streets. When folks are a danger to themselves and others, they are forced into getting help. Pretty fair to say that Ben has proven he cannot function in our society unsupervised
 
This one did give mention to his mental illness. Wonder what the heck happened this time? Wish he would get rehab ASAP - can't keep walking around being a threat to others like that.

www.chicagotribune.com

Former Chicago Bulls player Ben Gordon charged for allegedly hitting security guards during disturbance

A former Chicago Bulls player was arrested early Friday morning for allegedly punching a security guard in the face and throwing another to the ground when they tried to escort him from a McDonalds…
www.chicagotribune.com www.chicagotribune.com
 
karstenkibbe said:
Shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. This one is Illinois, but have you seen/heard the results of bail reform laws in NY state? Gordon’s despicable behavior at LGA wasn’t going to get him locked up, sadly.
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It's the same out here in Illinois, we have carjackers released the day of who go out and victimize other people later in the day. We have murderers on home confinement instead of in prison who have victimized others.
 
superjohn said:
If would also be nice if he was held accountable for his violent crimes. It's crazy he's still walking the streets and not in some court-ordered mental health facility or prison.
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The thing our healthcare system doesn't solve or provide for is the difference between "holding someone accountable," and providing quality assistance to those with mental health care/substance abuse issues. We can barely provide baseline healthcare at an affordable rate to those who have good insurance. It's a joke, and big pharma/insurance/healthcare systems are raking us over the coals.
 
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karstenkibbe said:
Shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone. This one is Illinois, but have you seen/heard the results of bail reform laws in NY state? Gordon’s despicable behavior at LGA wasn’t going to get him locked up, sadly.
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Not sure what you're talking about. NY bail reform ended cash bail for some misdemeanors and non-violent felonies. Obviously Ben's actions wouldn't exempt him.

There are still huge amounts of people (over 75% of Rikers population) who are in jail simply awaiting trial, most because they couldn't afford bail (which has actually risen, on average, per defendant since the reforms were put in place).
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
It’s the Post.
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Yeah I get it. I didn’t want to send this in a political direction but I see that’s happening in other posts irrespective.

My point was that it’s not the police blotter. They weren’t merely reporting the incident; they took the time to detail his prior incidents, which, as I said, are also an important part of the story.
 
8893 said:
Yeah I get it. I didn’t want to send this in a political direction but I see that’s happening in other posts irrespective.

My point was that it’s not the police blotter. They weren’t merely reporting the incident; they took the time to detail his prior incidents, which, as I said, are also an important part of the story.
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BigErnMcCracken said:
It’s the Post.
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From the Associated Press and posted on ESPN, no mention of Ben Gordon's mental health...

Ben Gordon faces charges for 2nd time in month after McDonald's guard hit
www.espn.com

Ben Gordon faces charges for 2nd time in month after McDonald's guard hit

Former NBA guard Ben Gordon has been arrested and charged after a Chicago McDonald's security guard was punched in the face, police said.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
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andy34 said:
Not sure what you're talking about. NY bail reform ended cash bail for some misdemeanors and non-violent felonies. Obviously Ben's actions wouldn't exempt him.

There are still huge amounts of people (over 75% of Rikers population) who are in jail simply awaiting trial, most because they couldn't afford bail (which has actually risen, on average, per defendant since the reforms were put in place).
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You should brush up on “Less is More” that has resulted from flaws in NY bail reform. And I hope you don’t have friends or acquaintances who have become victims as a result. I have.

nypost.com

Paroled criminals avoid jail despite new arrests thanks to dangerous NY law reform: critics

“This is another example of progressive politicians taking another tool out of our toolbox,” a disgusted officer said of “Less is More.”
nypost.com nypost.com
 
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karstenkibbe said:
You should brush up on “Less is More” that has resulted from flaws in NY bail reform. And I hope you don’t have friends or acquaintances who have become victims as a result. I have.

nypost.com

Paroled criminals avoid jail despite new arrests thanks to dangerous NY law reform: critics

“This is another example of progressive politicians taking another tool out of our toolbox,” a disgusted officer said of “Less is More.”
nypost.com nypost.com
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"That would be harsher punishment for parole violators, Stan............
"And world peace."
 
karstenkibbe said:
You should brush up on “Less is More” that has resulted from flaws in NY bail reform. And I hope you don’t have friends or acquaintances who have become victims as a result. I have.

nypost.com

Paroled criminals avoid jail despite new arrests thanks to dangerous NY law reform: critics

“This is another example of progressive politicians taking another tool out of our toolbox,” a disgusted officer said of “Less is More.”
nypost.com nypost.com
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I don't know enough about this issue to have an opinion one way or the other. I do know that using the NY Post as your reference makes you look wrong.

Future warning: the NY Post is a laughably terrible publication. Find something else!

And FWIW it is already hella easy to go back to prison for parole violations. I don't know how much of this article is right, but I do know it's misleading. Parole officers are also abusive pieces of crap. My brother went back for a 3 day dip because the battery wouldn't charge on his ankle monitor and no one at the parole office would pick up the phone. I know people who left the county for less than 30 minutes to see their kid and had months added to their sentence.
 
WNConn said:
Yeah the answer for seriously mentally ill people is not prison
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The answer for violent criminals is the courts locking them up in a mental health institution or in prison. The answer for violent criminals certainly isn't leaving them be where they will victimize more people.

He's shown through his behavior he won't help himself and he's shown he has a penchant for abusing people. These decisions already should've been out of his hands.
 
husky429 said:
I don't know enough about this issue to have an opinion one way or the other. I do know that using the NY Post as your reference makes you look wrong.

Future warning: the NY Post is a laughably terrible publication. Find something else!

And FWIW it is already hella easy to go back to prison for parole violations. I don't know how much of this article is right, but I do know it's misleading. Parole officers are also abusive pieces of crap. My brother went back for a 3 day dip because the battery wouldn't charge on his ankle monitor and no one at the parole office would pick up the phone. I know people who left the county for less than 30 minutes to see their kid and had months added to their sentence.
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Please don’t lecture me on my sources. I’m aware of the right-of-center POV of the NY Post. Would you prefer that I cite The NY Times, WaPo or the Atlantic?
 
karstenkibbe said:
Please don’t lecture me on my sources. I’m aware of the right-of-center POV of the NY Post. Would you prefer that I cite The NY Times, WaPo or the Atlantic?
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There are plenty right-of-center sources that aren't the laughingstock of the journalism industry. I think we could all tell you're not the brightest bulb on the bush, but you've shown yourself to be better than stooping this low.

It took me less than a minute to find info from both sides on NY's bail system. All you have tl do is not copy and paste the first result that comes up on Google my guy.
 
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