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Shout out to @Hey Adrien! for his excellent scouting report and his suggestions on beating Iona's press. Let's assume for the moment that the UConn personnel on the floor is our starting five.. Its a made basket by Iona setting up their press.. 7'0 Shema is guarding the guy inbounding the ball.. They have two guards inside foul line (probably Clayton/Jenkins) trying to trap receiver of initial pass while using corners as additional defenders--with Shema then sliding over to assist on trap.. JeanLouis--their Andre-lite athlete is roaming mid-court like a safety/centerfielder.. And Junior Joseph is defending our basket until press is broken and defense retreats as we begin our offensive sets.

Here is my question to the Yard.. Who do you want inbounding the ball after the made basket? The person taking the ball out of the bottom of the net? Who immediately inbounds ball before defense is set? Or a designated guy (like AK/TN) who you wait to get into place--as their defense is getting set for the press- with a predictable pass to one of our guards--probably Jackson or Newton (if not inbounding).. The precision and speed with which we can get ball inbounds and up-court will be one of the keys to our success on Fri ((and vs VCU)..

Understand that Pitino will mix up his pressure by waiting for ball to get inbounded first with light pressure and then press.

I believe the size/height and athleticism of our guards will be valuable.. If AK is the inbounder... Doesn't that takeaway his ability to be an outlet for the second/third pass as we move upcourt? Or does he stay in backcourt to assist AJ/TN as the ball is moved into half court?? Hawk would probably assist as outlet but can be susceptible to ball pressure.

IMO-- One of the biggest challenges for us.. They take time off of clock during the press while we're moving ball up-court and minimize Sanogo's potential dominance in the paint because we've taken time to get into our sets. Curious what you guys would do if you were Dan Hurley
 
1. Don't let Iona score = no press on inbounds.
2. If they score. Remember ability to Run the baseline . I would think our speed would take away any advantage they have using the 7 foot guy guarding the in bounds pass. If we start breaking the press our athleticism at the other end will allow us to score easy buckets. They can't have the 7 footer on both ends of court at same time.
3. Use bounce passes.
 
As @Uconn77Duke74 said, play defense and it's not an issue.

On inbounds, it should be Newton inbounding to Jackson with Hawk also back. Or Hawk to Newton with Jackson back. Goal is to get it to Jackson. He's a one man press break because he will dribble full speed ahead or throw a long pass over the defenders.

The goal with any press is to turn it into easy baskets so it stops. We've actually been really good at that most of the year. Karaban needs to be the man over half court because he can pass to Sanogo, attack the hoop or shoot.
 
@gwhuskyfan posted his excellent interview with Marist's John Dunne and in that he shared that Iona's press has a variety of looks in both personnel and objective.

Sometimes, it's designed to trap, sometimes, it's designed to focus away from the ball handler and more on help/prevent D.

This is a repeat from my report, but for me, the best recipe is to keep a big and Jackson no closer than halfcourt line and have then as wide outs while Karaban, Hawkins and a third guard to facilitate getting out of the press.

What I love about both Karaban and Hawkins is that they have two of the three lowest TO rates on the team, height to see the court and length to increase their catch radius.

IMO, the most dangerous guard vs Iona's press is Diarra (team high 29.6 TO rate, nearly 5% higher than Andre Jackson's). Ideally, it's a good game to DNP him and I'd want Alleyne and Calcaterra as the only guards off the bench, both of which are low TO rate players.

Would it be crazy to play PG-less from time to time? For example, I think a Hawkins/Karaban/Alleyne or Calcaterra backcourt would fit perfectly in navigating the press and then Jackson could be our top facilitator in the halfcourt, if need be. When we navigate the press well, halfcourt sets wouldn't even be as needed, anyways, thus maximizing Jackson's value as scorer in space under the baseline.
 
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Uconn77Duke74 said:
1. Don't let Iona score = no press on inbounds.
2. If they score. Remember ability to Run the baseline . I would think our speed would take away any advantage they have using the 7 foot guy guarding the in bounds pass. If we start breaking the press our athleticism at the other end will allow us to score easy buckets. They can't have the 7 footer on both ends of court at same time.
3. Use bounce passes.
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Their 7' guy is a stretch 4.. Joseph is a 5 as big as Adama..He would be on him during the press..
 
Hey Adrien! said:
@gwhuskyfan posted his excellent interview with Marist's John Dunne and in that he shared that Iona's press has a variety of looks in both personnel and objective.

Sometimes, it's designed to trap, sometimes, it's designed to focus away from the ball handler and more on help/prevent D.

This is a repeat from my report, but for me, the best recipe is to keep a big and Jackson no closer than halfcourt line and have then as wide outs while Karaban, Hawkins and a third guard to facilitate getting out of the press.

What I love about both Karaban and Hawkins is that they have two of the three lowest TO rates on the team, height to see the court and length to increase their catch radius.

IMO, the most dangerous guard vs Iona's press is Diarra (team high 29.6 TO rate, nearly 5% higher than Andre Jackson's). Ideally, it's a good game to DNP him and I'd want Alleyne and Calcaterra as the only guards off the bench, both of which are low TO rate players.

Would it be crazy to play PG-less from time to time? For example, I think a Hawkins/Karaban/Alleyne or Calcaterra backcourt would fit perfectly in navigating the press and then Jackson could be our top facilitator in the halfcourt, if need be. When we navigate the press well, halfcourt sets wouldn't even be as needed, anyways, thus maximizing Jackson's value as scorer in space under the baseline.
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Never thought of catch radius in BB terms before.. Like it..You must have played FB
 
HuskyHawk said:
As @Uconn77Duke74 said, play defense and it's not an issue.

On inbounds, it should be Newton inbounding to Jackson with Hawk also back. Or Hawk to Newton with Jackson back. Goal is to get it to Jackson. He's a one man press break because he will dribble full speed ahead or throw a long pass over the defenders.

The goal with any press is to turn it into easy baskets so it stops. We've actually been really good at that most of the year. Karaban needs to be the man over half court because he can pass to Sanogo, attack the hoop or shoot.
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Playing defense is an obvious solution if you're throwing a shutout..This is BB.. Iona is going to make shots/Fts.. Don't know about you but I was getting a little nervous during Providence game and their 26-5 run using their press vs us and our inefficiency on inbounds passing/avoiding traps/telegraphing lazy passes.

Believe we win on Fri.. Among other things--based on our ability to break the press..
 
I said this a couple of days ago. Don’t let them score and they can’t set up their traps. Game.

If we’re inbounding against their press all game that’d mean we’re doing something wrong on the defensive end. They aren’t some offensive juggernaut. Get stops and get out in transition. When we’re getting stops and attacking in transition we aren’t losing to anybody. Let alone Iona
 
Umami Zen said:
Playing defense is an obvious solution if you're throwing a shutout..This is BB.. Iona is going to make shots/Fts.. Don't know about you but I was getting a little nervous during Providence game and their 26-5 run using their press vs us and our inefficiency on inbounds passing/avoiding traps/telegraphing lazy passes.

Believe we win on Fri.. Among other things--based on our ability to break the press..
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That happened because we were nursing a lead and burning clock. Hurley needs to make it clear to the team that scoring quickly against the press is the goal. Every press is a gift and opportunity to be exploited.
 
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Hey Adrien! said:
@gwhuskyfan posted his excellent interview with Marist's John Dunne and in that he shared that Iona's press has a variety of looks in both personnel and objective.

Sometimes, it's designed to trap, sometimes, it's designed to focus away from the ball handler and more on help/prevent D.

This is a repeat from my report, but for me, the best recipe is to keep a big and Jackson no closer than halfcourt line and have then as wide outs while Karaban, Hawkins and a third guard to facilitate getting out of the press.

What I love about both Karaban and Hawkins is that they have two of the three lowest TO rates on the team, height to see the court and length to increase their catch radius.

IMO, the most dangerous guard vs Iona's press is Diarra (team high 29.6 TO rate, nearly 5% higher than Andre Jackson's). Ideally, it's a good game to DNP him and I'd want Alleyne and Calcaterra as the only guards off the bench, both of which are low TO rate players.

Would it be crazy to play PG-less from time to time? For example, I think a Hawkins/Karaban/Alleyne or Calcaterra backcourt would fit perfectly in navigating the press and then Jackson could be our top facilitator in the halfcourt, if need be. When we navigate the press well, halfcourt sets wouldn't even be as needed, anyways, thus maximizing Jackson's value as scorer in space under the baseline.
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My concern is that originally we had Karaban make the inbound pass and he struggled with it. And if he's receiving an inbound pass he gets easily trapped. I'd rather have him midcourt as a facilitator there.
 
As has been said here and in my post #14 in Hey Adrien's scouting report thread is that if UConn plays good half court D then Iona won't be able to set up their press. I would add that UConn might consider setting up a press, too. You know the old adage, that teams that press hate to be pressed. What I am suggesting doesn't mean a full throttle press hell bent on forcing a turnover like Iona's press, but one that slows Iona down from getting the ball over half court and into their half court offense in essence knocking 10-12 seconds off the shot clock from them getting into their half court offense. This will make it easier to stop them in the half court offense which means Iona can't set up their press.

I think the biggest thing for UConn will be mental, not just for the press but the entire game. Don't panic and break the pressure to score and don't overthink shooting open 3s. In transition don't rush the open 3 point shots, take your time.
 
HuskyHawk said:
That happened because we were nursing a lead and burning clock. Hurley needs to make it clear to the team that scoring quickly against the press is the goal. Every press is a gift and opportunity to be exploited.
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Exploiting a press.. which we have the talent to do if we're executing.. is the objective.. Getting off the inbounds pass and second pass quickly and precisely--and then up-court .. is the strategy.. I think we have been casual about this in recent games.. If we tighten it up for Iona/VCU.. The rest of our talents will be able to be showcased.
 
fleudslipcon said:
My concern is that originally we had Karaban make the inbound pass and he struggled with it. And if he's receiving an inbound pass he gets easily trapped. I'd rather have him midcourt as a facilitator there.
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Or have Karaban on the receiving end for an open 3 pointer.
 
gsmooth said:
Or have Karaban on the receiving end for an open 3 pointer.
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Absolutely possible.. But either Hawk or Alex will need to be at mid-court as an outlet for our guards as a first responsibility. The quicker we get to half court the better so that we can run 3-on-2 breaks/corner threes/dump downs to AS for easy buckets.
 
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Excalibur said:
Who do I want inbounding? The first person to grab the ball after it goes through the hoop, as quickly as possible.
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Agree with you..But. ..I can't tell you how many times our guys drop the ball on the baseline(for the inbounder) and walk away if they're not assigned to inbound.. ie Adama.. Allowing defense to get set
 
Umami Zen said:
Agree with you..But. ..I can't tell you how many times our guys drop the ball on the baseline(for the inbounder) and walk away if they're not assigned to inbound.. ie Adama.. Allowing defense to get set
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That's always annoyed the hell out of me.
 
One theory on how to attack a pressing team is to return the favor and press the presser. We have a deep enough bench to pressure Iona and potentially wear their guards down.
 
As others have said, if we defend we limit the affects of their pressure.
 
My thoughts on inbounder:

No - Sanogo, Clingan, Andre, Alleyne, Diara, Joey,
Maybe - Hawk
Yes - Newton, Karaban,

Receiver - Newton, Karaban, Andre, Hawk, Joey, Sanogo
 
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Stinger92860 said:
My thoughts on inbounder:

No - Sanogo, Clingan, Andre, Alleyne, Diara, Joey,
Maybe - Hawk
Yes - Newton, Karaban,

Receiver - Newton, Karaban, Andre, Hawk, Joey, Sanogo
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Hawk is a no.

Karaban needs to be the inbounder. He's a really friggen good passer. Having your best ballhandler (Newton) inbounding the ball doesn't make much sense.
 
Excalibur said:
Who do I want inbounding? The first person to grab the ball after it goes through the hoop, as quickly as possible.
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This is what Florida did last year in the NIT and it worked very well for them. Iona a lot of the time wasn't able to set up their pressure.
 
husky429 said:
Hawk is a no.

Karaban needs to be the inbounder. He's a really friggen good passer. Having your best ballhandler (Newton) inbounding the ball doesn't make much sense.
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Karaban has to be the target at midcourt if we are trying to run a break against the press. If we are going to let them slow us down, then he can inbound.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Karaban has to be the target at midcourt if we are trying to run a break against the press. If we are going to let them slow us down, then he can inbound.
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Eh, I disagree on this one, but I don't actually have any evidence to back it up. Karaban is not great at leading a break--his inclination is to slow it down. I'd much rather have the ball in Andre, Jordan, or Newton's hands if we're trying to run against the press. Karaban would be better served as a trailing 3-point shooter.
 
husky429 said:
Eh, I disagree on this one, but I don't actually have any evidence to back it up. Karaban is not great at leading a break--his inclination is to slow it down. I'd much rather have the ball in Andre, Jordan, or Newton's hands if we're trying to run against the press. Karaban would be better served as a trailing 3-point shooter.
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Exactly. So I don't want him on the inbounds side of half court at all. I want him across the half court line as a big target that can receive a pass from Jackson or Newton over the press and then make smart decisions to attack, pass to Sanogo or hold up to run the half court offense. I like Newton inbounding to Andre or Hawk/Alleyne who can quickly give it back to Newton if needed or move it up court with pace. When Clingan is in, you might use him as the target across half court.

But we'll see what Dan comes up with.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Exactly. So I don't want him on the inbounds side of half court at all. I want him across the half court line as a big target that can receive a pass from Jackson or Newton over the press and then make smart decisions to attack, pass to Sanogo or hold up to run the half court offense. I like Newton inbounding to Andre or Hawk/Alleyne who can quickly give it back to Newton if needed or move it up court with pace. When Clingan is in, you might use him as the target across half court.

But we'll see what Dan comes up with.
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Agree, I think its a combo of AJ & Newton bringing the ball up together - whomever is closer when the basket is made inbounds to the other & sticks around for diagonal pass if they trap. I'd guess Hurley starts with Andre doing most of the inbounding as he's closest to basket and has athleticism to counter the 7-footer contesting.
If Iona goes with a harder trap (>3 pressuring ball or denying) then Karaban is an inbounder with Jackson as 2nd pass to quickly transition to offense exploiting the press.
 
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