Don't see much class with this ND group at ALL. In fact, the past several years at least, I'd put them in with the likes of Stringer's teams and, more recently, the Orange and G'town. As a Protestant kid growing up, I was a huge ND football fan and loved listening to them on the radio. Continue to this day to follow, support, and enjoy their football - but, from Little Miss Muffett on down, there is no one on that basketball club that I care for.........though I do admire their skills and their toughness and their confidence......not so the hacking, blatant shoving, etc. MIGHTY glad we took em.