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Baylor loses, but likely means nothing,

jaydee602 said:
Charlie Creme insists that UCONN will not be a #1 seed regardless of today's games. He also has UCONN locked into the Portland region because NC State (Greensville) & Louisville (Ft. Wayne) are located close to their regions while Stanford can't play in Oregon's region. Again, geography outranks performance.
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I just ignore this rotten creme ...
 
Kaizen said:
I just ignore this rotten creme ...
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Me too! But he is actually trying to follow the irrational logic of the selection committee. He had UCONN going to Dallas until the last reveal was posted. They quote bad losses, good wins, s-curves, etc. But then they place teams based solely on geography.
 
While I don't think NC State can beat So Carolina, I would like to see them in Greenville. NC State is a slow disciplined team just like Indiana. IF NC State can slow So Carolina down, they can beat them. Plus NC State in Greenville might neutralize the crowd a bit. However, I suspect most So Carolina fans who planned to attend the NCAA Tournament had already bought tickets. Just like UConn fans do when Regionals are in in Bridgeport or Albany.

Plebe said:
South Carolina is not unbeatable. They lost to Indiana, the 4th best team from the Big Ten, on a neutral court by double digits. They nearly lost to Mississippi State, at best a borderline top 10 team, on their home floor. They played a tight game at Temple. The SEC is soft this year and has made SC look unbeatable at times, but I don't believe that's the case.

Having said all that, I think SC and Oregon are the teams playing the best basketball right now. That would be an amazing matchup in the finals if it happens. But other teams might have a thing to say about that.
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This wasn't in the B12 conference tourney, was it? If so, I'm less astounded. Even the Bucks are allowed to lose during the regular season.
 
TheFarmFan said:
Huh! You’re talking to crazy people then. Two of the three already had by Christmas, and Oregon did again in losing at ASU... I think the consensus this season is that with the possible exception of South Carolina, everyone is vulnerable.
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@HuskyNan is a moderator on the BY. Of course she talks to crazy people! ;)
 
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Baylor's loss today will definitely drop them behind Oregon. If Maryland wins today, it can be argued that Baylor will drop behind the Terps as well.

But in terms of overall body of work, Baylor's win at UConn probably still keeps them on the 1 line. That was a very important game.
 
triaddukefan said:
Virginia (ACC) Virginia State (CIAA), South Carolina (SEC) South Carolina State (MEAC););)
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Ohio (Mid-America) & Ohio State (Big 10).
 
Plebe said:
Baylor's loss today will definitely drop them behind Oregon. If Maryland wins today, it can be argued that Baylor will drop behind the Terps as well.

But in terms of overall body of work, Baylor's win at UConn probably still keeps them on the 1 line. That was a very important game.
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Teams not named UConn can lose, move up or down the #1 seed line, or #2 seed line but the one constant Charlie is not wavering on...UConn going to Portland. :rolleyes:
 
mbr33ct said:
Teams not named UConn can lose, move up or down the #1 seed line, or #2 seed line but the one constant Charlie is not wavering on...UConn going to Portland. :rolleyes:
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Well, I can see why UConn fans don’t like what he’s saying, but unfortunately that’s how the cookies are crumbling. Having Louisville, Stanford and UCLA all on the 2 line leaves UConn nowhere else to go.

Maybe there’s a tiny outside chance the committee will move NC St up to a 2 seed ahead of UCLA, but they would be going to Greenville, so it makes no difference for UConn.
 
South Carolina lost to Indiana by 14, 71-57. Everybody played for SC. Yes, I realize Indiana is ranked.
 
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It seems to me in NC State was a 10 in the last reveal they have to move up to a top 8. Right now, assuming Maryland and Oregon win, I see the 5 to 8 as:


5 UConn
6 Stanford
7 NC State
8 Louisville and UCLA fighting it out.

I would see NC State in Greenville, Stanford in Texas, UConn in Ft. Wayne and Louisville in Oregon. I know there is geography, but I can't see making the 2 seed, or maybe the 1 seed play the 5 seed team. That is not fair to Oregon. I don't see them dropping Louisville below UCLA, they both lost in the semi's of their tourney, and Louisville was several spots ahead of UCLA in the last reveal. Or Baylor with today's loss gets UConn, and Stanford goes to Ft. Wayne. I see State higher than Louisville and they get first claim on the local region as a 2.
 
Ralph said:
8 Louisville and UCLA fighting it out.
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It's a shame that losing in your conference tournament prior to the Championship game carries no weight in Bracketology. Why have tournaments other than to give an "unworthy" team an automatic invite to the Big Dance???
 
IMHO, The UConn team playing the last 5/6 games is not the same team that lost to Baylor, SCAR, or Oregon. This is a tougher, more resilient, more confident, more integrated offense, more tenacious team that the UConn team of Nov, Dec, and Jan. The games going forward have no connection to any game played prior to February 10, 2020.
 
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Ralph said:
It seems to me in NC State was a 10 in the last reveal they have to move up to a top 8. Right now, assuming Maryland and Oregon win, I see the 5 to 8 as:


5 UConn
6 Stanford
7 NC State
8 Louisville and UCLA fighting it out.

I would see NC State in Greenville, Stanford in Texas, UConn in Ft. Wayne and Louisville in Oregon. I know there is geography, but I can't see making the 2 seed, or maybe the 1 seed play the 5 seed team. That is not fair to Oregon. I don't see them dropping Louisville below UCLA, they both lost in the semi's of their tourney, and Louisville was several spots ahead of UCLA in the last reveal. Or Baylor with today's loss gets UConn, and Stanford goes to Ft. Wayne. I see State higher than Louisville and they get first claim on the local region as a 2.
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Louisville isn’t dropping behind NC State. Their overall resume is still better.

It’ll be between NC St and UCLA for that last 2 seed imo.
 
Plebe said:
Well, I can see why UConn fans don’t like what he’s saying, but unfortunately that’s how the cookies are crumbling. Having Louisville, Stanford and UCLA all on the 2 line leaves UConn nowhere else to go.

Maybe there’s a tiny outside chance the committee will move NC St up to a 2 seed ahead of UCLA, but they would be going to Greenville, so it makes no difference for UConn.
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Yeah, I don't see how the Huskies don't end up in Portland because NC State will go to Greenville, Louisville will go to Fort Wayne, and Stanford can't go to Portland. And assuming Maryland doesn't collapse in the 4th quarter vs. tOSU, they'll likely be the Fort Wayne one seed. For bracket balance, putting UConn in their place would be ideal, but the geography doesn't work. I suspect they'll balance that out by sending UCLA to Fort Wayne as the strongest three seed - a bracket segment of Maryland vs. winner of Louisville and UCLA would be a pretty dang desirable second weekend of games. And even if UCLA somehow squeaks in over Louisville, it'd make sense to make Louisville the three seed in Fort Wayne, so the same rules will apply either way.
 
I see a potential shift in Portland. If Stanford loses twice in a week, although both to the big O, can they stay on the 2 line. If they and UCLA fall off, can they be replaced by NC State and Gonzaga. If that's possible, Gonzaga gets the 2 in Portland, NC State in Greenville (DARND!) and UConn in Ft. Wayne. and If I'm right I want ESPN to pay me Charlie's money!
 
HuskeyinSC said:
I see a potential shift in Portland. If Stanford loses twice in a week, although both to the big O, can they stay on the 2 line. If they and UCLA fall off, can they be replaced by NC State and Gonzaga. If that's possible, Gonzaga gets the 2 in Portland, NC State in Greenville (DARND!) and UConn in Ft. Wayne. and If I'm right I want ESPN to pay me Charlie's money!
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Gonzaga has one RPI top 25 win and a Q3 loss. Stanford has 5 RPI top 25 wins (including over Gonzaga) as well as no losses below Q1. I can't see that happening even if Stanford gets blown out by 40 vs. the Ducks. NC State's resume is comparable to Gonzaga, but winning the ACC tournament probably tips them to a two seed.

ETA: That said, I could see the Zags as the three seed in Portland.
 
HuskeyinSC said:
I see a potential shift in Portland. If Stanford loses twice in a week, although both to the big O, can they stay on the 2 line. If they and UCLA fall off, can they be replaced by NC State and Gonzaga. If that's possible, Gonzaga gets the 2 in Portland, NC State in Greenville (DARND!) and UConn in Ft. Wayne. and If I'm right I want ESPN to pay me Charlie's money!
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The job could be yours but it all depends on what you do with Tennessee. :rolleyes:
 
mbr33ct said:
The job could be yours but it all depends on what you do with Tennessee. :rolleyes:
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I've got Charlie's style down. Notice I said 3 ifs, 2 can they questions and 1 potential all in 3 chort sentences. With that style I can never be wrong.
mbr33ct said:
The job could be yours but it all depends on what you do with Tennessee. :rolleyes:
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I could probably do something with East Tenn State, they got 31 votes, but I couldn't find rocky top anywhere.
 
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mbr33ct said:
The job could be yours but it all depends on what you do with Tennessee. :rolleyes:
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Speaking of UTenn : a couple more upsets and they might have their (potential) invitation
to the dance rescinded.
Wouldn't that be a shame?
 
HuskeyinSC said:
I see a potential shift in Portland. If Stanford loses twice in a week, although both to the big O, can they stay on the 2 line. If they and UCLA fall off, can they be replaced by NC State and Gonzaga. If that's possible, Gonzaga gets the 2 in Portland, NC State in Greenville (DARND!) and UConn in Ft. Wayne. and If I'm right I want ESPN to pay me Charlie's money!
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Uh, there is no way Stanford falls off the 2 line. You can bet the house on it. They could lose by 80 today and it still won’t change.
 
@Plebe do you have quick reference to previous seasons for teams with similar win-loss records vs Top 25 and Top 50 (Q1) as this year's UConn team?

I acknowledge performance of top teams will differ from year to year and seeding is based on performance relative to the other teams but I am interested to see what those similar team's seeding were? I am going to assume not a No. 1 seed and unlikely to be a No. 2 seed.
 
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So what happens if UCONN loses? Could they move to a #3 and go somewhere other than Portland?
 
HuskeyinSC said:
I see a potential shift in Portland. If Stanford loses twice in a week, although both to the big O, can they stay on the 2 line. If they and UCLA fall off, can they be replaced by NC State and Gonzaga. If that's possible, Gonzaga gets the 2 in Portland, NC State in Greenville (DARND!) and UConn in Ft. Wayne. and If I'm right I want ESPN to pay me Charlie's money!
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I'll go vegan for a year month week day if they give Gonzaga a #2 seed. The best team they beat all year is Missouri State.
 
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