Bart Torvik conference rankings

[shizzle787]

As I'm too cheap to buy a KenPom subscription and Sagarin is not updating his site, here is the up to the minute conference rankings according to Bart Torvik:
trank.php

1. Big 12 (.8965)
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2. SEC (.8321)
3. Big Ten (.8218)
4. Pac-12 (.8120)
5. Big East (.8110)
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6. ACC (.7396)
7. MW (.7380)
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8. A-10 (.6991)
9. WCC (.6869)
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10. AAC (.6330)
11. MVC (.6156)
12. Ivy (.5909)

Big drop off between Ivy (#12) and CUSA (#13).

A couple of observations:
1. The Big East is not the best league in the country. I could have told you this two weeks ago but some people are stubborn. We have been the #3 or #4 league almost every year for the past decade.
2. The Ivy League is making big strides. They are in the same stratosphere as the MVC and AAC (yikes!). They are also miles ahead of CUSA who is in the #13 spot.
3. The American got hit harder than I thought they would in realignment. The league is significantly behind the Atlantic 10 and WCC.
4. The ACC stinks again.

 

[auror]

When most people talk about Big East being the best, they were mostly referring to the conference with the best collection of top teams and ratio of tournament teams.

It was also with a romanticized version of Nova and St Johns.

These metrics on the other hand weight the middle and bottom equally. The bottom of the Big East is bad. Not ACC or AAC bad. But bad. It's measuring a different thing. Maybe a more accurate thing to the true question, but a different thing than what fans are really excited/talking about.

 

[husky429]

All things considered, all those 2-5 teams are basically the same and will probably flip flop around all season.

The B12 is really solid. 10 top-50 teams on Kenpom. Big East only has 5.

Georgetown and Depaul are also really killing our rankings. If they were top-100 teams we'd probably be 2nd on this list.

 

[superjohn]

As I'm too cheap to buy a KenPom subscription and Sagarin is not updating his site, here is the up to the minute conference rankings according to Bart Torvik:
trank.php

1. Big 12 (.8965)
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2. SEC (.8321)
3. Big Ten (.8218)
4. Pac-12 (.8120)
5. Big East (.8110)
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6. ACC (.7396)
7. MW (.7380)
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8. A-10 (.6991)
9. WCC (.6869)
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10. AAC (.6330)
11. MVC (.6156)
12. Ivy (.5909)

Big drop off between Ivy (#12) and CUSA (#13).

A couple of observations:
1. The Big East is not the best league in the country. I could have told you this two weeks ago but some people are stubborn. We have been the #3 or #4 league almost every year for the past decade.
2. The Ivy League is making big strides. They are in the same stratosphere as the MVC and AAC (yikes!). They are also miles ahead of CUSA who is in the #13 spot.
3. The American got hit harder than I thought they would in realignment. The league is significantly behind the Atlantic 10 and WCC.
4. The ACC stinks again.

Big East is the best, nobody cares about how horrible your worst couple of teams are.

 

[shizzle787]

Big East is the best, nobody cares about how horrible your worst couple of teams are.

We are both Big East homers, but the Big 12 is better.

 

[Tyler2Rings]

Kenpom 11/16

 

[How Sway?!]

The big 12 will get closer to the pack as the season goes on. UCF, Cincy will drag them down.

 

[navery12]

The big 12 will get closer to the pack as the season goes on. UCF, Cincy will drag them down.

Not so sure about that, every other P6 conference has multiple teams worse than UCF and Cincy that will also be dragging those conferences down

 

[Huskyforlife]

B12 is objectively the best right now. Top of the Big East compares to any conference, but the middle-end might be really bad. B10 is well rounded, but might only have 1 elite team. The SEC has the highest floor/ceiling imo.

 

[CL82]

The bottom of the Big East is bad. Not ACC or AAC bad.

I'd like to think that DePaul is as bad as any team in the country.

 

[uh-no]

sorry to say, but these ratings don't mean much 3 games into the season with most team only having games against patsies. kenpom himself says that it takes until mid-january or so when there is enough data to have a real view of the situation.

that said, it's probably not that far off from reality. It is probably slightly harder to go .500 in the B12 than the big east, and maybe so in the SEC. The ACC being at the bottom of this pile is absolutely correct, and the conference performance so far has proven that....even the games they've won have been by lackluster margins.

 

[auror]

I'd like to think that DePaul is as bad as any team in the country.

The AAC now has UTSA which has never finished in the top 148 in the country. Ever. They're #274 right now.

The ACC has Louisville which has improved all the way up to #175. And Notre Dame is somehow actually worse.

 

[Jaydumo20]

Big East is the best, nobody cares about how horrible your worst couple of teams are.

I think you may be partially joking but I agree anyway. They may not definitely be the best, but there is a possibility that 3 of the top 5 teams are out of the big east. That has to matter. But then I guess it does come down to whether or not you rank the best bottom feeders as well. I don't.
(Also, at this time last year there was an unranked UCONN team and an unranked Marquette team as well as a #1 UNC, so it's hard to say this early)

 

[kobe]

 

[HooperScooper]

Doesn't help when the school you root for is at or near the bottom of that top ranked conference.

 

[shizzle787]

Thanksgiving morning update:

1. Big 12 (.8765)
2. Big East (.8563)
3. Big Ten (.8349)
4. SEC (.8259)
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5. Pac-12 (.7729)
6. ACC (.7566)
7. MWC (.7317)
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8. Ivy (.6594)
9. A-10 (.6354)
10. MVC (.6325)
11. AAC (.6105)
12. WCC (.6039)

 

[shizzle787]

This might be the Ivy League's best season in half a century. Possible two-bid league if Princeton rips through the league and loses to somebody in the league tournament.

 

[BlueMAB]

@kobe you have been a fun poster for awhile but you’re coming dangerously close to being a Rutgers clone.

“Our team sucks but at least our conference is good!”

Let us know when Cinci gets a trophy for Kansas’ success.

 

[Glenn]

if you use Lunardi's brackets as a basis, Big12 seems strongest and then the BE, with the SEC about the same. All teh big conferences have 6-8 teams, but the BE and B12 does better in the top 4 seeds. The ACC is no longer a strong conference--as we know.

	NCAA brackets
	1​	2​	3​	4​	1 to 4	rest	total
BE		3​			3​	3​	6​
B10	1​			1​	2​	6​	8​
b12	1​	1​	1​	1​	4​	4​	8​
acc			1​	1​	2​	3​	5​
sec	1​		1​	1​	3​	5​	8​
pac	1​				1​	4​	5​

 

[Fan1978]

As I'm too cheap to buy a KenPom subscription and Sagarin is not updating his site, here is the up to the minute conference rankings according to Bart Torvik:
trank.php

1. Big 12 (.8965)
--------------------
2. SEC (.8321)
3. Big Ten (.8218)
4. Pac-12 (.8120)
5. Big East (.8110)
--------------------
6. ACC (.7396)
7. MW (.7380)
--------------------
8. A-10 (.6991)
9. WCC (.6869)
--------------------
10. AAC (.6330)
11. MVC (.6156)
12. Ivy (.5909)

Big drop off between Ivy (#12) and CUSA (#13).

A couple of observations:
1. The Big East is not the best league in the country. I could have told you this two weeks ago but some people are stubborn. We have been the #3 or #4 league almost every year for the past decade.
2. The Ivy League is making big strides. They are in the same stratosphere as the MVC and AAC (yikes!). They are also miles ahead of CUSA who is in the #13 spot.
3. The American got hit harder than I thought they would in realignment. The league is significantly behind the Atlantic 10 and WCC.
4. The ACC stinks again.

The big east is the best if you drop depaul and Georgetown. Best at top and best depth.

 

[Poe]

What the hell DePaul, 20 years and counting of dragging down the conference.

Guess that loss to us in the second round of the tourney really demoralized them for years to come.

 

[AdamaNation]

Drop DePaul go get vcu or Dayton!!!

 

[Fan1978]

if you use Lunardi's brackets as a basis, Big12 seems strongest and then the BE, with the SEC about the same. All teh big conferences have 6-8 teams, but the BE and B12 does better in the top 4 seeds. The ACC is no longer a strong conference--as we know.

	NCAA brackets
	1​	2​	3​	4​	1 to 4	rest	total
BE		3​			3​	3​	6​
B10	1​			1​	2​	6​	8​
b12	1​	1​	1​	1​	4​	4​	8​
acc			1​	1​	2​	3​	5​
sec	1​		1​	1​	3​	5​	8​
pac	1​				1​	4​	5​

This has a last year bias. Big 12 was best last year but its a new year. Big 10 sucks in tournament. Providence pounding Wisconsin says it all.

 

[How Sway?!]

Who would have thought itd be two original B12 teams dragging the conference down and not the newbies. Still, the time when all B12 teams were in tournament contention is over

 

[InTheRed]

@kobe you have been a fun poster for awhile but you’re coming dangerously close to being a Rutgers clone.

“Our team sucks but at least our conference is good!”

Let us know when Cinci gets a trophy for Kansas’ success.

I would like this twice if i could. Syracuse fans used to say that, but now their conference stinks too.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

@kobe you have been a fun poster for awhile but you’re coming dangerously close to being a Rutgers clone.

“Our team sucks but at least our conference is good!”

Let us know when Cinci gets a trophy for Kansas’ success.

Yup. I love rooting for our conference, but i would feel like a real leech if the team i root for wasn't a contributor to it's success.

 

[runner11]

@kobe you have been a fun poster for awhile but you’re coming dangerously close to being a Rutgers clone.

“Our team sucks but at least our conference is good!”

Let us know when Cinci gets a trophy for Kansas’ success.

This is not fair. Rutgers has a very promising freshman in Gavin, and look like they will sign the #2 and #3 recruits in the country. This is a program that at least has reason for on-court optimism. Kobe is on that Syracuse energy.