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lateralous said:
I don't know, we probably would have lost one of, if not both, of Stewart and Mullins if Liam came back. Liam would obviously be the best of the bunch in 2026 but I kind of think Stewart might be a better compliment to AKs game and I'm guessing that Mullins is the only one of the three that would even be an option to come off the bench next year.
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I think a lot depends on how Hurley etc view Mullins - he was primarily a shooting guard in high school, but they like positionless (which to me means SG + SF). Thus Mullins will get time in a 3 guard set and then sometimes behind Stewart. Either Stewart or Ross would have gone IMHO.
 
IllinoisHuskie said:
Yes. I base it on his performance with our team.
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The NBA draft is NOT based on college performance. It is based on potential.

Sanogo would be a good example of this fact. Virtually no one in college performed any better than Sanogo his senior year.

The NBA is mostly concerned with a players ceiling. Liam's is pretty high.
 
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I thought McNeeley should go, but I thought his draft status dropped at the end of the season. In the NBA, his shooting will gain him playing time and in his last 10 games, he shot 31.7% FG, and 22.8% 3Pt which is not good and he averaged 2 assists and 2 TOs per game over the last 10 games. In the 4 games of the BET/NCAAT, he shot 31.6% FG and 16.7% 3 Pt.

I think he is a better shooter than he showed at UConn and I think NBA teams will evaluate him on his workouts.
 
Well…he’ll be getting paid nicely to play basketball either way and adding to the number of Huskies that Dan has put in the NBA which helps the brand, so not a bad scenario whether he’s a lottery pick or middle first rounder.
 
This is expected. He wasn't supposed to go that early, not after the injury. He showed up bigger than expected and shot well at the combine. Once he gets into the teens there will be teams who will be thrilled to get him. I don't see him getting past 20, because somebody will move up/pick swap to grab him.

He's probably not ever an NBA star. But we are seeing that teams are now really valuing guys who can do everything pretty well, and he's exactly that.
 
Palatine said:
The NBA draft is NOT based on college performance. It is based on potential.

Sanogo would be a good example of this fact. Virtually no one in college performed any better than Sanogo his senior year.

The NBA is mostly concerned with a players ceiling. Liam's is pretty high.
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Great post. It is an odd phenomenon but it is true. The NBA is unique in this way. My Dad never watches the nba but loves college ball. I win a lot of money from him when we bet on lottery picks. He'll always say "that guy? No way he is even drafted. He only put up 10pts/5 reb/ game in colllege"
 
Jaydumo20 said:
Great post. It is an odd phenomenon but it is true. The NBA is unique in this way. My Dad never watches the nba but loves college ball. I win a lot of money from him when we bet on lottery picks. He'll always say "that guy? No way he is even drafted. He only put up 10pts/5 reb/ game in colllege"
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Yeah, if Wemby had been injured the entire last year before he got drafted and didn't play a single game, he probably still ends up going #1 just purely from the potential perspective.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Did he have some bad tryouts?
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Supposedly he shot the ball very well at pre draft events.

I think he'll get a fair shot even if he's a mid to late first round pick.

If it doesn't work out there's always work overseas that pay well. He has a lot of good attributes, but landing with the right team that would allow him to develop such as the Wizards, Suns or Celtics will be key. He has to shed the project label and you can only do that by going out there and contributing. It is what it is
 
Jaydumo20 said:
Great post. It is an odd phenomenon but it is true. The NBA is unique in this way. My Dad never watches the nba but loves college ball. I win a lot of money from him when we bet on lottery picks. He'll always say "that guy? No way he is even drafted. He only put up 10pts/5 reb/ game in colllege"
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This used to be more true than it has been lately. That is what the lottery is all about. But you used to see very good players fall because they weren't perceived as having "star" potential. Teams would draft guys who had done nothing. Many were complete duds. Now, after the lottery or late in the lottery, teams are looking for rotational players who may have little star potential. This is great for Liam. Fantastic complementary player who doesn't need to dominate the ball.

It's good for guys like Kalkbrenner too. He might make it to the second round but while he has little chance to become a starting NBA center, he's a guy that can help any team with rim protection, passing and shooting.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Not a good sign, although this is complicated and can break both ways. Did he have some bad tryouts?

NBA teams will be strategic and hold their later first round picks closer to the vest because they don’t want to be held up by an another team grabbing their target before their team’s pick, so it is possible that a couple of teams like him and don’t want to highlight that interest by communicating it to the league. We will see.
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I don't think anyone should have expected him to go lottery after he shot 38% from the field and 32% from 3. All the current draft projections have him going late teens/early-mid 20s of the first round. Only 13 green room invites have gone out so far, 25 went out the previous 2 years, I'd imagine we'll get a better idea of where he stands when the next batch(es) of invites go out.
 
I know that this isn't the place to give objective, unbiased takes, but I will be brave and provide mine. Liam needed another year. I know that I am triggering the money replies, to wit, his money will be better because of the move. I get that. But I believe that money isn't everything. I think this kid would have had a much better CV had he stayed. What does he do great? Shoot? there are a plenty of players who shot better % last year. Rebound? The kid had moxy, but he was not Rodman. Ball handling? Not his forte. He was not a shot down defensive player. And we know that he is not the greatest athlete, so I am unsure, after seeing play for the whole year, why we expected him to be a lottery pick. I will root for him like crazy, but this was a kid who should have stayed.
 
ctbro1999 said:
Castle only averaged 11 points per game during his 1 season at UConn...middle of 2nd round material, how did he ever go #4???
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You see, if I were you I would have withheld that little pearl. Castle was a shot down defender for 4 months. That comp is weak.
 
Iluvsuebird said:
I know that this isn't the place to give objective, unbiased takes, but I will be brave and provide mine. Liam needed another year. I know that I am triggering the money replies, to wit, his money will be better because of the move. I get that. But I believe that money isn't everything. I think this kid would have had a much better CV had he stayed. What does he do great? Shoot? there are a plenty of players who shot better % last year. Rebound? The kid had moxy, but he was not Rodman. Ball handling? Not his forte. He was not a shot down defensive player. And we know that he is not the greatest athlete, so I am unsure, after seeing play for the whole year, why we expected him to be a lottery pick. I will root for him like crazy, but this was a kid who should have stayed.
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And you certainly can't develop these things while making millions playing professionally. Can only happen if you're playing for a team I root for
 
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IllinoisHuskie said:
I think it will be a middle second round pick. He is a future asset. Needs development. Came out a year too early. I was not all that impressed with the player he was last season but the potential reward is very high.
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LOL, no
 
I know any higher pick guarantees more money than any lower pick at baseline for all first round picks, but is there anything else fundamentally better about being a lottery pick? For example, is being picked 14th rather than 15th any more advantageous than being picked 7th rather than 8th or 20th rather than 21st? Or is it, as I understand, just additional clout that may be desirable?
 
Iluvsuebird said:
I am unsure, after seeing play for the whole year, why we expected him to be a lottery pick.
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He's 6-foot-8 and was shooting 40% from 3 before the injury, with a 2-to-1 a/to ratio as a secondary playmaker against a tough schedule as a freshman.

If he'd stayed healthy he'd have been a bigger Kon Knueppel, and Knueppel's gonna be a top 5 pick.

Like I said, I hope teams are dumb enough to let him drop to my Celtics.
 
Matrim55 said:
He's 6-foot-8 and was shooting 40% from 3 before the injury, with a 2-to-1 a/to ratio as a secondary playmaker against a tough schedule as a freshman.

If he'd stayed healthy he'd have been a bigger Kon Knueppel, and Knueppel's gonna be a top 5 pick.

Like I said, I hope teams are dumb enough to let him drop to my Celtics.
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If he's there at 20 or so, Brad will move up to get him.
 
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Iluvsuebird said:
I know that this isn't the place to give objective, unbiased takes, but I will be brave and provide mine. Liam needed another year. I know that I am triggering the money replies, to wit, his money will be better because of the move. I get that. But I believe that money isn't everything. I think this kid would have had a much better CV had he stayed. What does he do great? Shoot? there are a plenty of players who shot better % last year. Rebound? The kid had moxy, but he was not Rodman. Ball handling? Not his forte. He was not a shot down defensive player. And we know that he is not the greatest athlete, so I am unsure, after seeing play for the whole year, why we expected him to be a lottery pick. I will root for him like crazy, but this was a kid who should have stayed.
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He will have access to better coaching, better facilities, better support staff, better S&C, play against better competition, and have more time to devote to development in the pros. If an NBA team is willing to invest in a player, their development opportunities in the NBA are far better than college.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
He will have access to better coaching, better facilities, better support staff, better S&C, play against better competition, and have more time to devote to development in the pros. If an NBA team is willing to invest in a player, their development opportunities in the NBA are far better than college.
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Some people are ao entrenched in stupidity it's really quite impressive.
 
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