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Fishy said:
Clearly need more what?
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Money. PR. Some goddam ambition. We've had 2 ADs publicly state that we can't expand our stadium until there's more demand. Meanwhile, we're looking at a 3rd former Big East school pour money into expanding/renovating their football stadium and leap ahead of us. But hey, we were able to sit on plenty of birdsh1t this season.
 
Dooley said:
Money. PR. Some goddam ambition. We've had 2 ADs publicly state that we can't expand our stadium until there's more demand. Meanwhile, we're looking at a 3rd former Big East school pour money into expanding/renovating their football stadium and leap ahead of us. But hey, we were able to sit on plenty of birdsh1t this season.
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Didn't Warde make a comment in favor of Rent expansion recently?
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Ugh. Why do I feel like one last swift kick to the nuts inevitable. This is just unbearable.
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What makes you think that this is the last one?
 
Wise2 said:
When we had a good product and a good league, we were selling out. If we had a better product and were in a better league, we could have easily sold out 50-60 thousand seats. However, those days are long gone now
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When we were coming off a .500 season (our first somewhat competitive season at this level) with no conference we sold out every game in our new stadium. An AD with vision and ambition would have immediately said to himself "If we can do this now, in a decade we can fill a 60k seat stadium and after another decade we can fill an 80k seat stadium!". Instead our inept AD said "My work is done here".
 
According to McMurphy, no one talked to Cincy. So the story was wrong.

McMurphyESPN8:48pm via TweetDeck
At Big 12 function in NY: no one ever talked to Cincy, OU’s Joe C wasn't at UCF & SMU’s BOR report UM/Cincy getting invites wrong
 
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Dooley said:
Yup. And all of it comes on the heels of Cincinnati unveiling their new stadium renovation. They understand how to market themselves to get to the top of the P5 invite list. Meanwhile here in Connecticut, we are taking a "we will expand when we sell out the stadium" reactive approach that has left us buried in AAC purgatory. Others are even debating whether or not to drop football altogether just to move our hoops programs back to mid-major status. Un-fahqing-believable.
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Even with the renovation the Rent is nicer. They certainly don't have anything as nice as our overall football practice facility. This stadium crap is a red herring. It isn't relevant. Geography is relevant for Cincy and Rutgers. Winning was relevant for Louisville. Each league needs something different. ACC needed schedule strength. B1G needed NY/NJ carriage fees and eyeballs. Big XII needs somebody not too far from their footprint and close enough to WV. It's pretty simple.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Even with the renovation the Rent is nicer. They certainly don't have anything as nice as our overall football practice facility. This stadium crap is a red herring. It isn't relevant. Geography is relevant for Cincy and Rutgers. Winning was relevant for Louisville. Each league needs something different. ACC needed schedule strength. B1G needed NY/NJ carriage fees and eyeballs. Big XII needs somebody not too far from their footprint and close enough to WV. It's pretty simple.
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Thank you. If the Big 12 expands, Cincy is light years ahead of UConn in every Big 12 measure. Sure we have a nice indoor facility...a million miles from Texas. Google maps tells you all you need to know. Yes, the WVU add seemed like an outlier, adding Cincy fixes that. Adding UConn fixes nothing. Doesn't hurt that they are 87-40 over the last 10 years (or 42-22 over 5). Kind of like us...
 
jostar1 said:
According to McMurphy, no one talked to Cincy. So the story was wrong.

McMurphyESPN8:48pm via TweetDeck
At Big 12 function in NY: no one ever talked to Cincy, OU’s Joe C wasn't at UCF & SMU’s BOR report UM/Cincy getting invites wrong
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Yup. The Big 12 is going to leak inside info to a reporter paid by Connecticut taxpayers
 
So, B12 wants to take in team that is always going to be a distant 2nd in the state of Ohio to guess who?
Has to compete with a pro team in its home city. So this means that every weekend, Cincy fans will
have two football games to watch unless the Reds win the World Series, which ends in Nov.
Then Lebron James and the Cavs , which begins in Nov.
So, now the Cincy fans are also expected to follow B12 football, Big Ten Football, NFL football and high school football. That is a lot of f..k..g football.
Cincy sounds like the Boston College of the Midwest.
Sounds like all Cincy fans must attend the games live and there is little television market left.
CT is just too far away for B12. Better to go back to Big East for bb.
But Boise State, where you get an entire state to watch and
BYU, a team that brings an entire religious movement, are better choices.
So, this being college football, Cincy will have a shot.
 
Cincy sounds a lot like Pittsburgh. Substitute Penguins for Cavaliers. Of course, that was the ACC's ponderous move.
 
pnow15 said:
CT is just too far away for B12. Better to go back to Big East for bb.
But Boise State, where you get an entire state to watch and
BYU, a team that brings an entire religious movement, are better choices.
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Too far away?
  • Austin TX - Boise ID: 1628 miles
  • Austin TX - Provo UT: 1247 miles
  • Austin TX - East Hartford CT: 1865 miles
We have better flights than Boise for sure. I don't think distance is decisive here.

Connecticut is an entire state too. Connecticut population 3.6 million, Idaho 1.6 million. Boise State is not even the flagship state university. This is not even a close comparison.
 
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pj said:
Too far away?
  • Austin TX - Boise ID: 1628 miles
  • Austin TX - Provo UT: 1247 miles
  • Austin TX - East Hartford CT: 1865 miles
We have better flights than Boise for sure. I don't think distance is decisive here.

Connecticut is an entire state too. Connecticut population 3.6 million, Idaho 1.6 million. Boise State is not even the flagship state university. This is not even a close comparison.
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Exactly, and another thing is that the region around Idaho has even less football talent than Connecticut, as we saw in that Grantland analysis last year. They are importing JUCOs from Cali. in that program, and historically that strategy has blown up in the face of several schools, like Fresno with the machete incident and also Colorado way back.

Part of UConn's downturn in football no doubt has to do with the reality that we're not in a BCS conference any more, and neither Pasqualoni nor Diaco could recruit as if that was still the case. UConn's reality was fixed by Pasqualoni's second year, so no one could go into a senior's home and tell him otherwise. in other words, recruiting is not necessarily going to improve a great deal. You have to imagine that UConn football's future can only be projected according to its prior 10 years in the BE.
 
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pj said:
Too far away?
  • Austin TX - Boise ID: 1628 miles
  • Austin TX - Provo UT: 1247 miles
  • Austin TX - East Hartford CT: 1865 miles
We have better flights than Boise for sure. I don't think distance is decisive here.

Connecticut is an entire state too. Connecticut population 3.6 million, Idaho 1.6 million. Boise State is not even the flagship state university. This is not even a close comparison.
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Boise State and BYU have much better football programs.
You forget Iowa St., Kansas, Kansas St.
How far it for Boise to travel to Iowa?
How far for BYU?

BB teams could do a two/three day swing all ways for B12. Texas swing, Northern swing, Kanas/Oklahoma swing.

UConn is an Eastern school. These are all Western programs.
The idea is to get everyone in the concerned area from Utah to Texas thinking B12 football.
Ct. is an island that no one there cares about.
We would be the cousin Vinny of the B12.
 
pj said:
Too far away?
  • Austin TX - Boise ID: 1628 miles
  • Austin TX - Provo UT: 1247 miles
  • Austin TX - East Hartford CT: 1865 miles
We have better flights than Boise for sure. I don't think distance is decisive here.

Connecticut is an entire state too. Connecticut population 3.6 million, Idaho 1.6 million. Boise State is not even the flagship state university. This is not even a close comparison.
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UConn people need to be making this argument at every chance that they get. The public perception is that UConn is much farther from Big 12 territory than the western schools, but a lot of people forget how vast the distances are in the Rocky Mountain region. I'm not saying that this argument will work in the end (as I still think the Big 12 would choose Cincinnati and BYU *if* the league chooses to expand), but this is a major geographic perception bias that UConn needs to address at every opportunity if wants to have a chance.
 
pnow15 said:
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Boise State and BYU have much better football programs.
You forget Iowa St., Kansas, Kansas St.
How far it for Boise to travel to Iowa?
How far for BYU?

BB teams could do a two/three day swing all ways for B12. Texas swing, Northern swing, Kanas/Oklahoma swing.

UConn is an Eastern school. These are all Western programs.
The idea is to get everyone in the concerned area from Utah to Texas thinking B12 football.
Ct. is an island that no one there cares about.
We would be the cousin Vinny of the B12.
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From Google Maps:

Ames, IA to Storrs, CT: 1,260 miles
Ames, IA to Provo, UT: 1,116 miles
Ames, IA to Boise, ID: 1,396 miles

Lawrence, KS to Storrs, CT: 1,383 miles
Lawrence, KS to Provo, UT: 1,046 miles
Lawrence, KS to Boise, ID: 1,370 miles

Both BYU and Boise State would be islands in the Big 12, too. The argument that UConn should be making is that it would be much less of an island assuming that it joins with Cincinnati (with West Virginia in between).

IMHO, Boise State is largely a non-factor for Big 12 expansion. BYU, on the other hand, is serious competition because they have a good football brand and great national fan base.
 
frankthetank said:
UConn people need to be making this argument at every chance that they get. The public perception is that UConn is much farther from Big 12 territory than the western schools, but a lot of people forget how vast the distances are in the Rocky Mountain region. I'm not saying that this argument will work in the end (as I still think the Big 12 would choose Cincinnati and BYU *if* the league chooses to expand), but this is a major geographic perception bias that UConn needs to address at every opportunity if wants to have a chance.
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Plus while visitors come to our fine state, they can easily go enjoy the Yankees, Mets, Sox, Jets, Giants, Patriots, Rangers, Islanders, Devils, Bruins, Knicks, Nets, Celtics...
 
frankthetank said:
From Google Maps:

Ames, IA to Storrs, CT: 1,260 miles
Ames, IA to Provo, UT: 1,116 miles
Ames, IA to Boise, ID: 1,396 miles

Lawrence, KS to Storrs, CT: 1,383 miles
Lawrence, KS to Provo, UT: 1,046 miles
Lawrence, KS to Boise, ID: 1,370 miles

Both BYU and Boise State would be islands in the Big 12, too. The argument that UConn should be making is that it would be much less of an island assuming that it joins with Cincinnati (with West Virginia in between).
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Norman, OK to Storrs: 1629
Norman, OK to Provo: 1144
Norman, OK to Boise: 1546

Morgantown to Storrs: 520
Morgantown to Provo: 1930
Morgantown to Boise: 2209
 
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Google maps says:

Austin, TX to:

Hartford, CT 1865 Mi
Boise, ID 1628 mi
Provo, UT 1246 mi









Provo, UT
 
Let's play Texas and Oklahoma in Yankee Stadium. NYC is a major advantge we must leverage. Texas vs UConn be followed by the ny media.
 
Want to see an outlier? Check out U. of Washington. Farther north than Montreal and farther west than LA.
That said, we are not being invited to the Big 12.
 
I think even playing in the Yale bowl would be a unique experience once in a while.
 
Austin to Orlando: 1123 miles
Ames to Orlando: 1360
Lawrence to Orlando: 1275 miles
Norman to Orlando: 1269 miles
Morgantown to Orlando: 899
Lubbock to Orlando: 1427

Lubbock to Provo: 872
Lubbock to Boise: 1253
Lubbock to Storrs: 1949
 
frankthetank said:
UConn people need to be making this argument at every chance that they get. The public perception is that UConn is much farther from Big 12 territory than the western schools, but a lot of people forget how vast the distances are in the Rocky Mountain region. I'm not saying that this argument will work in the end (as I still think the Big 12 would choose Cincinnati and BYU *if* the league chooses to expand), but this is a major geographic perception bias that UConn needs to address at every opportunity if wants to have a chance.
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Frank,

What are the odds Notre Dame finally decides to join a conference based on the College Football Playoff?

I still maintain that is UConn's best life-raft since if ND struck a deal to move to the BIG then UConn is the only obvious choice (unless a SEC team left...), and they seem to make more sense in the ACC versus UC (who fits better into the Big 12)...

Oh, and this is a general comment (not towards Frank...) the idea that Cincinnati is OSU territory is only really believed by marketing folks. I was at Kroger's yesterday and saw a huge display of OSU paper towels. I of course being a loud mouthed UC fan asked the guy and girl stacking them what OSU towels were doing in Cincinnati...they were both to paraphrase "I dunno...its stupid". I asked some of the employees in the front who were equally confused.

Cincinnati is UC #1, UK #2 (Northern Kentucky), and I'd argue ND/OSU tie #3, and Louisville a distant #4. 10 years ago when UC was irrelevant in football then there were a lot more OSU fans (I was a PSU fan at a party when they upset OSU...almost got my ass kicked...cue up Sandusky jokes). The bigger problem is that we have the old Pitt problem of having a pro football team (although to be fair, that might be being nice to the Bengals in calling them a professional team...) in a mid-sized city competing for $$ with college football and HS football (which I will never get why its so big here...I grew up on the East Coast).
 
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