Attendence Post Season

[azfan]

Over the upcoming 4-day weekend there will be 64 games across the United States in the Ncaaw, Wnit and Wbit tournaments.

South Carolina will most certainly have the highest attendance followed in no particular order by Connecticut, LSU, Tennessee.

I'm wondering if it's possible for one of the also rans in the Wnit ot Wbit to host a tournament to crack the top five and you know where I'm looking. Or could it be ...

 

[azfan]

Kitties have a track record of showing up and showing out. Fans down in the dirty t certainly remember the WNIT attendance record set back in the McDonald era in the 2019 championship.

14,000+

One wonders if numbers will approach that level Thursday night as the 1.2 million dollar coach seeks revenge for a drumming her squad received at the hands of Loree Payne's Lumberjacks back November in Flagstaff 92-75.

Or will the kitty fans recline on the comfort of their home to watch a wide array of games on TV that evening? Stanford, James madison, minnesota, Seton Hall are all playing that evening on ESPN Plus

Maybe the Colorado game? Too bad we can't watch Colorado State but they decided not to dance or waltz or do the twist. Sadly Emma and Hannah who didn't get to end their final game together in Vegas appear to be done playing together.

The kitties drew 7000 for their final home game against Texas Tech.

I know I'll be turning and both for the game to see what the fashionista coach is wearing and to see how many fouls Cunningham picks up in the first half.

Arizona Wildcats women's basketball team wins WNIT, sets new Pac-12 attendance record

14,644 watched UA beat Northwestern

www.abc15.com

 

[DefenseBB]

As an ardent tracker of attendance, the probable lowest attendance site will be Duke (sorry @triaddukefan) as they have been rather pathetic in the past, were mostly abysmal this year ranking dead last of the 16 host schools at 2,784 per game. I would say quite a few of the WBIT games will outdraw Duke, which frankly is a bit embarrassing (your Tucson neighbors aside, who even you have to admit, do a great job with fans 6,930 per game).

 

[Ladeeeeda]

As an ardent tracker of attendance, the probable lowest attendance site will be Duke (sorry @triaddukefan) as they have been rather pathetic in the past, were mostly abysmal this year ranking dead last of the 16 host schools at 2,784 per game. I would say quite a few of the WBIT games will outdraw Duke, which frankly is a bit embarrassing (your Tucson neighbors aside, who even you have to admit, do a great job with fans 6,930 per game).

Not really embarrassing at all. We compete with two other host schools 3x our size and within 25 miles of us. Who else does that? No one.

 

[packwrap]

Something tells me the Cameron Crazies (or similar) will jump on your bandwagon soon enough. Regular sweet sixteens/elite eights and big triangle games should do the trick.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Kitties have a track record of showing up and showing out. Fans down in the dirty t certainly remember the WNIT attendance record set back in the McDonald era in the 2019 championship.

14,000+

One wonders if numbers will approach that level Thursday night as the 1.2 million dollar coach seeks revenge for a drumming her squad received at the hands of Loree Payne's Lumberjacks back November in Flagstaff 92-75.

Or will the kitty fans recline on the comfort of their home to watch a wide array of games on TV that evening? Stanford, James madison, minnesota, Seton Hall are all playing that evening on ESPN Plus

Maybe the Colorado game? Too bad we can't watch Colorado State but they decided not to dance or waltz or do the twist. Sadly Emma and Hannah who didn't get to end their final game together in Vegas appear to be done playing together.

The kitties drew 7000 for their final home game against Texas Tech.

I know I'll be turning and both for the game to see what the fashionista coach is wearing and to see how many fouls Cunningham picks up in the first half.

Arizona Wildcats women's basketball team wins WNIT, sets new Pac-12 attendance record

14,644 watched UA beat Northwestern

www.abc15.com

I don't expect a "huge" attendance, but fans will not be sitting home watching the other games. Like many schools, Arizona fans are mostly Arizona fans. They won't be watching the other options, especially mostly WNIT games. Actually, the wife and I don't tend to watch games that are not on regular TV. We'll tape the 2 First Four.

Expecting around 5000 I would think. I could be surprised either way.

 

[azfan]

Expecting around 5000 I would think. I could be surprised either way.

Interesting. That would be below the average attendance wouldn't it?

I would think the dirty tea would love to show up to see the 1.2 million dollar coach get her 20th victory on the season and pound a little revenge on The lumberjacks?

I'm very bummed A prior commitment prevents me from driving down to witness the Carnage.

And the fashion show and shoes.....

 

[azfan]

At 1:00 p.m. I'm the only BYer who believes in the kitties ability to rock McKale against the Jacks.

Wish I could be there and had I known that these unlikely events would lead to a rematch I would have never committed to the evening upcoming.

Thankfully ESPN plus will allow me to keep tabs on Cunningham's heroic effort to stay in the game. I'm also wondering if Taylor Feldman will have a bounce back game after really having a tough time in the lost to Montana. And I fully expect that the 1.2 million dollar coach will be sporting some red carpet fashion to commemorate her 20th victory.

This will be the final game for the Moran twins and Leia Beattie. Those three will be sorely missed and Coach Payne will be hard pressed to duplicate 26 wins next year unless transfers and Superstar freshman decide they want to enjoy skiing up in the pines.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Interesting. That would be below the average attendance wouldn't it?

I would think the dirty tea would love to show up to see the 1.2 million dollar coach get her 20th victory on the season and pound a little revenge on The lumberjacks?

I'm very bummed A prior commitment prevents me from driving down to witness the Carnage.

And the fashion show and shoes.....

I don't get the obsession with 20 wins. Years ago - I mean really long time ago - a coach at Florida named Carol Ross found out what 20 wins and a crappy schedule will get you - no invite to the big dance. Since then, I haven't really paid attention to 20; it wasn't a thing with Vivian either for all our years at Rutgers. Success isn't measured by an arbitrary number although a lot of fans think so. I do get that it is in some coach's contracts but I've never understood it.

 

[azfan]

I don't get the obsession with 20 wins. Years ago - I mean really long time ago - a coach at Florida named Carol Ross found out what 20 wins and a crappy schedule will get you - no invite to the big dance. Since then, I haven't really paid attention to 20; it wasn't a thing with Vivian either for all our years at Rutgers. Success isn't measured by an arbitrary number although a lot of fans think so. I do get that it is in some coach's contracts but I've never understood it.

Ikr ... I listened to the broadcast of the ASU game on the kitty Network and that's all the announcers could talk about was the streak of 20 win seasons that the fashionista Coach was at risk of terminating. I do think you're on point in terms of both her contract which may have incentives and more importantly retaining the stature she has as she works the transfer pool and young recruits.

I will say this is a long-suffering Sun Devil fan a streak of 20 win seasons is much better than a streak of 20 loss seasons.

 

[packwrap]

I saw on the game recap that attendance was 2706.

Does that make sense?

Felt bad for AZ, but a win for NAU is good for promoting the in state rivalries.

 

[azfan]

I saw on the game recap that attendance was 2706.

Does that make sense?

Felt bad for AZ, but a win for NAU is good for promoting the in state rivalries.

Absolutely and I credit Barnes for her willingness to play the other Arizona schools with mixed results. The kitties pounded the now departed Natasha Adair led Sun Devils twice but lost to the Jacks twice and to Grand Canyon.

With all of these classic tournaments that tend to be scheduled over the preseason, thanksgiving, and the holiday break I would wonder if some leadership in Arizona could put together an all Arizona tournament. It would be fantastic to see these four schools play one another.

I'm willing to donate $5 to make this happen and I'll bet the 1.2 million dollar coach from the dirty team would match that. If Michael Crowe could be convinced that this would help his branding effort and real estate game we could get an all Arizona tournament in the future

 

[azfan]

Well. So far

South Carolina 11,000
ND 7500
Louisville 6500
UCLA 5700
Duke 4200

Today there should be at least five games with similar attendance so the kitties were unable to get into the top 10 attendance in the first round.

The poll results reflected the underlying insight of the Wisdom of Crowds by James Surowiecki as well as the wisdom of the BY.

The kitties did have the highest attendance in wbit and wnit games with Wyoming and Gonzaga also in 2000 range.

 

[12au]

The way they count attendance for these games is odd. For example the Baylor-Grand Canyon game apparently had announced attendance ~4400. But that number is listed for Ball State-Ole Miss--and no attendance is listed for the prior game. Most people left after the Baylor game.

So no way that many were at the Nebraska-Louisville game--that was probably the attendance for TCU-FDU.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

The way they count attendance for these games is odd. For example the Baylor-Grand Canyon game apparently had announced attendance ~4400. But that number is listed for Ball State-Ole Miss--and no attendance is listed for the prior game. Most people left after the Baylor game.

So no way that many were at the Nebraska-Louisville game--that was probably the attendance for TCU-FDU.

Attendance is always put onto one of the two games (traditionally). A few schools listed the same attendance for both, but historically, as I say, the number is listed for the "session" against one of the games (the second, presumably). So in the end it is impossible to know how many folks were at the lesser attended game.

 

[maple]

FWIW, the attendance for UConn’s game yesterday was 10,299. (This was a sell out at Gample.)

 

[DefenseBB]

Ok, for the complete 16 set of games for round 1 of the NCAAT, the sites averaged 7,177 led by SC with 11,683, UConn was 2nd at 10,299.
Bottom 2 were Kentucky at 4,035 and Duke at 4,280.

For the WBIT, Arizona had 2,706 attend their loss to NAU but that was still good enough for 1st of their 16 sites. They averaged 1,547 fans with the bottom 2 of Florida 405 and St. Joe's at 708.

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

Ok, for the complete 16 set of games for round 1 of the NCAAT, the sites averaged 7,177 led by SC with 11,683, UConn was 2nd at 10,299.
Bottom 2 were Kentucky at 4,035 and Duke at 4,280.

For the WBIT, Arizona had 2,706 attend their loss to NAU but that was still good enough for 1st of their 16 sites. They averaged 1,547 fans with the bottom 2 of Florida 405 and St. Joe's at 708.

Duke holds 9,314. 4280 looks very different there than say at a stadium that holds 15,000 or 20,000.

 

[DefenseBB]

@CamrnCrz1974 I am not understanding your context here. Don't try to "spin" the fact you can't get the arena filled to 50% as some good thing-it isn't espectially during the NCAAT. For as good a job as Kara has done constantly rolling over her roster to get it to an elite level (and she has churned and burned quite a bit of players in her 4 years), she's be just as bad as NOT reaching out to the community to get fanny's in the seats. But hey, tell yourself what ever you want to help you sleep at night.

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

@CamrnCrz1974 I am not understanding your context here. Don't try to "spin" the fact you can't get the arena filled to 50% as some good thing-it isn't espectially during the NCAAT. For as good a job as Kara has done constantly rolling over her roster to get it to an elite level (and she has churned and burned quite a bit of players in her 4 years), she's be just as bad as NOT reaching out to the community to get fanny's in the seats. But hey, tell yourself what ever you want to help you sleep at night.

It is not spin. Capacity is a part of attendance.
Look at the Atlanta Dream. 3500 attendance ... except that is the capacity of the arena.

 

[DefenseBB]

It is not spin. Capacity is a part of attendance.
Look at the Atlanta Dream. 3500 attendance ... except that is the capacity of the arena.

Now you completely lost me. What is your point? Cameron seats 9,314 and the season attendance was 2,784 per game, for the 2 NCAA games 3,870 average and you are stating being at 42% capacity is a good thing?

Yes, that a team has a small arena the sells out may hurt them like UConn which sold out last night at 10,299 but would have sold out Hartford if we played there (15,684) but Duke didn't sell out. In fact, Duke has had a sell out in women's hoop since Kara took over.

Your team came in dead last on the 16 host sites. How is 42% capacity a good thing?

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

Now you completely lost me. What is your point? Cameron seats 9,314 and the season attendance was 2,784 per game, for the 2 NCAA games 3,870 average and you are stating being at 42% capacity is a good thing?

Please point to where I said it was "a good thing."

 

[DefenseBB]

Cam-I am hoping this nice run translates into better season attendance as frankly, Kara has been abysmal. Her 5 years at the helm, pales in comparison to McCallie. Kara averages 2,844 while JPM averaged 4,933 (for 13 years). Gail averaged 5,064 for 8 years of 1999-2007 (no stats for 2000 and I stopped for 1999 as I only have UConn that far back). I will say your site is awesome with stats and show how much your school cares as many other "blue bloods" have atrocious history links (cough, cough-Stanford)....

The fans used to show up so something has occurred. I know many coaches create outreach program efforts (Kim Mulkey, Dawn, Bill Fennelly, even JPM did) that maybe Kara could at least amp up something to gains support. That's my point.

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

Cam-I am hoping this nice run translates into better season attendance as frankly, Kara has been abysmal. Her 5 years at the helm, pales in comparison to McCallie. Kara averages 2,844 while JPM averaged 4,933 (for 13 years). Gail averaged 5,064 for 8 years of 1999-2007 (no stats for 2000 and I stopped for 1999 as I only have UConn that far back). I will say your site is awesome with stats and show how much your school cares as many other "blue bloods" have atrocious history links (cough, cough-Stanford)....

The fans used to show up so something has occurred. I know many coaches create outreach program efforts (Kim Mulkey, Dawn, Bill Fennelly, even JPM did) that maybe Kara could at least amp up something to gains support. That's my point.

Might want to check a few facts, especially about McCallie.
The primary reason why McCallie's attendance numbers were high because she benefited from what Goestenkors built. If you look across her 13 years, the highest ones were the closest to Goestenkors' tenure.
By the time McCallie's contract was not renewed, attendance had dropped to 3417 (buoyed by Duke having special events for kids and a mental health day to even get to that number).

Check out the top seasons in Duke's history -- and notice how none appear between 2013 and 2020, the last seasons of McCallie's tenure.

 

[packwrap]

On the positive side this Duke v UNC sweet 16 game is sure to draw a lot of excitement!

Both programs now consistent winners/on upswing. Just missing is the superstar recruit/player and some titles.

Sure outreach programs help, but keys to driving regular sellouts are 1- winning and 2- star players.

Cameron an amazing facility. I think they will get there.