Asia Barnes reprimanded by the PAC 10

[visitingcock]

All this sounds like a personal perspective/generational thing. No one is going to agree on this topic from what I'm reading.

1) For years, male coaches from all sports have been celebrated for being tough and the language they used on the sidelines/locker room didn't cause many to bat an eye. We've seen it with the likes of Bobby Knight, John Madden, and other legends from various teams and programs.

2) Similar for male athletes. I recall recently, people were complaining on social that Tom Brady was given a pass for yelling something along the lines "screw you" to a coach on the opposing team's sidelines when he should have been flagged for taunting. Who remembers Jason Kelce using a similar phrase when the Eagles won the Superbowl during their celebration parade? The clip was retweeted, shared on social media constantly and celebrated as a "Philly way to celebrate". I don't recall too much hand wringing over the "example" he may be setting at the time.

3) For some reason, when it comes to women, we don't get the same latitude if we like to use "colourful" language as part of our vocabulary. Should there be a time in place during certain situations, I'll agree there. Otherwise, if it's okay for the goose, why isn't okay for the gander?

I swear and I don't shy away from the fact that I do. I also know when it's better not to and conduct myself accordingly. Does it take away from me as a person? I don't think so. If you disagree, that's fine because we're allowed to have different opinions. The people who know me, both professionally and personally also know who I am, including my vocabulary and accept me as I am.

Generational? Yeah, uhn, maybe. I'm from a generation that frowns on such behavior. That same generation that saw Bobby Knight in action - and nobody outside Indiana liked it. I hated John McEnroe while appreciating his talent.

Good for the goose but not the gander? Well, does the gander have to be an just because the goose is? I do not like to see it in either sex/gender/whatever.

If I hit my thumb with a hammer, I ask the Lord's forgiveness in advance for what I MIGHT say. Yeah, there are other slips.

It ain't a good look and a professional SHOULD be above it. None of us are perfect. but two examples are poor.

 

[LwrcasefaN]

I've heard and seen worse...and kids have too. I think Adia is building off her momentum from last year...as ar as being vocal and firing up her kids. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and chastise her because...some of the officiating has been horrific and I've been known to slip a time or two and just say whatever I want to say. She and Graves are probably laughing at the free publicity.

 

[cancontent]

Generational? Yeah, uhn, maybe. I'm from a generation that frowns on such behavior. 1)That same generation that saw Bobby Knight in action - and nobody outside Indiana liked it. I hated John McEnroe while appreciating his talent.

2) Good for the goose but not the gander? Well, does the gander have to be an just because the goose is? I do not like to see it in either sex/gender/whatever.

If I hit my thumb with a hammer, I ask the Lord's forgiveness in advance for what I MIGHT say. Yeah, there are other slips.

It ain't a good look and a professional SHOULD be above it. None of us are perfect. but two examples are poor.

1) I have to challenge you on the "nobody outside of Indiana liked it". If that was the case, how was he able to convince players of the caliber he had to come to the program? How did he end up getting the sponsorship deals he signed over the years? In high school during the late 80s/early 90s, my coaches talked about Bobby Knight with awe in their voices. And we're talking Ontario, Canada which is WAY outside of Indiana.

Same for McEnroe. You may have hated and appreciated his talent, however it caught the attention of others who became fans of the sport because they saw something they could relate to. At the time, his behaviour may have been frowned upon, because of what was considered acceptable, however it never went away and eventually the perception of a "tennis player" and how they should "act", changed. And he profited off it as well, so obviously the public didn't have an issue overall.

2) I'm pointing out what I consider to be a double-standard. In my opinion and from my experience men seem to get a pass more than women in this case. Similar to when people thought Serena shouldn't be talking back to umpires during tennis matches, it's okay for male players to blast the umps without any reproach or punishment.

I appreciate the fact that you don't appreciate no matter who uses the language, however I come from a background where the double-standard would be applied in this case, along with many others and it never made any sense because it was hypocritical.

You may not think it's a good look and that's okay. Others have a different opinion and that's okay. Like I said, no one in this thread are going to agree 100%.

 

[SECbbfan24]

One thing is for sure, she can’t sling a jacket like Kim

 

[cancontent]

One thing is for sure, she can’t sling a jacket like Kim

NO ONE EVER WILL!!!!

 

[Figurehead]

If the allegations against Graves are true hope to see discipline there as well.

Huh, So the pac-12 is in that business? Learned something new every day.

 

[Floridaduck]

Basically there are no credible allegations against Graves. The reprimand against Barnes was about the frank and direct criticism of the refs postgame. That’s a no-no in the league. Barnes made vague references about standing up to “a man”. Graves was not named.
Pellington made some wildly unsubstantiated accusations that were an attempt to provide cover for Barnes misbehavior. There has been and will be no corroboration of any misbehavior by Graves.

 

[baggerbob]

Basically there are no credible allegations against Graves. The reprimand against Barnes was about the frank and direct criticism of the refs postgame. That’s a no-no in the league. Barnes made vague references about standing up to “a man”. Graves was not named.
Pellington made some wildly unsubstantiated accusations that were an attempt to provide cover for Barnes misbehavior. There has been and will be no corroboration of any misbehavior by Graves.

All leagues don't like coaches criticizing the refs. Almost all fine the coaches.

 

[Figurehead]

Basically there are no credible allegations against Graves. The reprimand against Barnes was about the frank and direct criticism of the refs postgame. That’s a no-no in the league. Barnes made vague references about standing up to “a man”. Graves was not named.
Pellington made some wildly unsubstantiated accusations that were an attempt to provide cover for Barnes misbehavior. There has been and will be no corroboration of any misbehavior by Graves.

In the end it kind of backfired on Pellington from what I heard throught the grapevine. She was privately reprimanded.

 

[Wonder 12]

If you're going to spend days criticizing Barnes for her behavior, then you should be doing the same for Geno.
Barnes got more criticism for one instance than Geno has in 20+ years on this board.

I've heard and seen worse...and kids have too. I think Adia is building off her momentum from last year...as ar as being vocal and firing up her kids. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and chastise her because...some of the officiating has been horrific and I've been known to slip a time or two and just say whatever I want to say. She and Graves are probably laughing at the free publicity.

 

[Alydar]

She got in trouble because the Oregon radio announcer reported her "saying things I can't repeat" on live radio. That was what generated attention to her press conference. I've heard a lot of post-game pressers where coaches commented obtusely about the officiating without any repercussions.
There's a sizable portion of the fanbase that wants to believe that their team doesn't even know what those words mean.

 

[JellyBean]

One thing is for sure, she can’t sling a jacket like Kim

Cheryl Reeves tried but definitely wasn't on Kim's level.