Aresco on Realignment

[junglehusky]

Here is a crazy idea. If programs leave maybe don't replace them with bigger crapbag teams to have a championship game that is worthless.

... he said to Bob Bowlsby...


Seriously though... anyone know if the AAC TV deal has a stipulation on # of schools? That alone might guarantee Aresco having to scrape the bottom of the barrel if schools HOPEFULLY UCONN leave.

 

[whaler11]

... he said to Bob Bowlsby...


Seriously though... anyone know if the AAC TV deal has a stipulation on # of schools? That alone might guarantee Aresco having to scrape the bottom of the barrel if schools HOPEFULLY UCONN leave.

Yeah I don't really agree that the Big 12 needs a game as bad as the coaches think they do. To me it's as likely to hurt you as help you but they look at one year and don't see the other possible outcomes.

I also think Memphis would be a hilariously bad choice if they do expand.

 

[junglehusky]

I am rooting so hard for Memphis over Cincy. Memphis / BYU to the B12 would be a godsend.

 

[gioff23]

IMO, this is far bigger than a 13th game or adding another misfit to this conerence. This is about creating change from within the B12. OU nearly jumped to Pac12 a few years back. The BIG and SEC are nice options, but the PAC aligns more with where there fans migrate to, where they recruit from, etc. I think OU has just let us know (again) they are not happy in the B12 and a CCG and/or adding Memphis/UCF/BYU are not going to make them happier. The Texas link may be all that is left for them, but they have seen Texas move on from A&M and they have long since gotten past their Nebraska rivalry. Conference realignment has taught them that they will be fine and they can live without traiditonal rivalries. Tick, tick, ....

 

[NickyNewark]

... he said to Bob Bowlsby...


Seriously though... anyone know if the AAC TV deal has a stipulation on # of schools? That alone might guarantee Aresco having to scrape the bottom of the barrel if schools HOPEFULLY UCONN leave.

If the B12 does decide to expand they'd be wise to keep their promise and add a eastern and southern school like UConn for NE numbers and wealth ditto USF or UCF to tap Fla ...add in Cinncy for its growth in a large state.Outside those your reaching or watering down.

 

[NickyNewark]

I am rooting so hard for Memphis over Cincy. Memphis / BYU to the B12 would be a godsend.

BYU brings a unique set of problems though they have a wealthy following lightly dispersed over the world outside of Utah/Nv. With Texas they would be strange bedfellows.

 

[NYUConn]

Seen some people tossing around idea of OU to B1G, but I think the one thing people aren't considering when talking about OU, is OSU.

Oklahoma and OK State are basically tied to the hip in this dance. During 2010-11 dance with the PAC-12, they were always a package deal in that the state isn't going to allow one program to gain a competitive edge over the other and I don't imagine that anything has changed since then. This basically means that OU to the B1G is a non-starter because there is no way the B1G takes both schools.

The only leverage that the Sooners have is the Pac-12. That being said, the Pac-16 with OU and OSU in the south and BYU and Boise State in the North looks like a pretty darn good conference to me.

 

[Adios]

Oh good grief....I understand the Hate mantra well. As a fan of WVU as a 2nd school and poster on their board for 13 years (14,000 +posts and counting).I understand...the "hate thing" has been so ingrained on that board that we joke about it and sometimes post hate lists semi tongue in cheek.

The Hate thing is an "us against the world" manifestation.....I don't take much seriously, and especially these broad declarations of hate.

Sure UConn fans feel shafted....and find lightning rods for their feelings. I provide that service for Buddy without near the cost of a therapist.

So you're a hillbilly, too! Let's hear you jam that banjo.

 

[Adios]

IMO, this is far bigger than a 13th game or adding another misfit to this conerence. This is about creating change from within the B12. OU nearly jumped to Pac12 a few years back. The BIG and SEC are nice options, but the PAC aligns more with where there fans migrate to, where they recruit from, etc. I think OU has just let us know (again) they are not happy in the B12 and a CCG and/or adding Memphis/UCF/BYU are not going to make them happier. The Texas link may be all that is left for them, but they have seen Texas move on from A&M and they have long since gotten past their Nebraska rivalry. Conference realignment has taught them that they will be fine and they can live without traiditonal rivalries. Tick, tick, ....

Texas at the Rent doesn't sound too bad.

 

[CAHUSKY]

BYU brings a unique set of problems though they have a wealthy following lightly dispersed over the world outside of Utah/Nv. With Texas they would be strange bedfellows.

That's by percentage of population. In sheer numbers there are way more Mormons in CA, TX, ID and WA than in NV.
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Membership_Statistics_U.S.

 

[CAHUSKY]

The only leverage that the Sooners have is the Pac-12. That being said, the Pac-16 with OU and OSU in the south and BYU and Boise State in the North looks like a pretty darn good conference to me.

The Pac12 would disband as a conference before they would add either BYU or Boise. No chance.

 

[djct1999]

The big 12 has always been reactive. My guess is this noise is a reaction to bigger things going on behind the scenes. No way they make the only move. No way the next round of realignment excludes UConn. No way.

 

[OkaForPrez]

The big 12 has always been reactive. My guess is this noise is a reaction to bigger things going on behind the scenes. No way they make the only move. No way the next round of realignment excludes UConn. No way.

It is reactionary, its just years slow.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The big 12 has always been reactive. My guess is this noise is a reaction to bigger things going on behind the scenes. No way they make the only move. No way the next round of realignment excludes UConn. No way.

I think that this noise is merely Oklahoma reminding Texas that OU also has a voice in this conference (although the reality is that UT has a full vote, OU has half a vote and the remaining eight schools combined have another half vote).

 

[CL82]

The big 12 has always been reactive. My guess is this noise is a reaction to bigger things going on behind the scenes. No way they make the only move. No way the next round of realignment excludes UConn. No way.

Fear rule 1 of conference realignment or it's wrath will be devastating.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

That's by percentage of population. In sheer numbers there are way more Mormons in CA, TX, ID and WA than in NV.
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Membership_Statistics_U.S.[/QUOTE
I don't know about actual number but in the East Valley of Phoenix it seems there is a LDS church on every corner and huge Temples in Gilbert and Mesa.
They are also a dominant force in Republican politics in the state .
We also have a few FDS communes near the Utah boarder that don't count in those numbers.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Should have included AZ too. They have triple the number of Mormons that NV has.

 

[Fishy]

The big 12 has always been reactive. My guess is this noise is a reaction to bigger things going on behind the scenes. No way they make the only move. No way the next round of realignment excludes UConn. No way.

Oh, I'd say it's almost certain to exclude us.

If the first couple rounds of expansion hurt and the last round really, really hurt, this next one is gonna make them look like the good old days.

 

[djct1999]

For any real shot at long term stability, the Big 12 should pick UConn and UCF. However, I still contend that UConn will be in the B1G by 2018, with Cincy and UCF joining the Big 12. This idea that realignment is dead for the next 10 years is simply silly. This race to the holy grail is a sprint not a marathon and the only real question left is who will finish last, the ACC or Big12.

 

[whaler11]

There is nothing the Big 12 can do to be stable in the long term.

All they can do is try and hold it together long enough and hope the television model changes enough that the SEC and Big 10 don't have as big a revenue gap.

Even getting Texas to scrap the LHN and creating a Big 12 network doesn't change their outlook.

 

[4UConn]

With the possible exception of the Big 12, which would be bad for us, expansion looks to be over for now.

I think there's nearly a 100% chance that the AAC is still whole after five years and probably 75% chance after ten years.

Wow, ten years, that's a helluva lot of non-key tweets!

 

[djct1999]

If realignment is over for the next 10 years, the next move for the P5 will be contraction, not expansion.

 

[junglehusky]

The big 12 has always been reactive. My guess is this noise is a reaction to bigger things going on behind the scenes. No way they make the only move. No way the next round of realignment excludes UConn. No way.

If the next round of CR is BXII adding only two schools, then it probably does exclude UConn. We have to wait for either B1G deciding to move and/or ACC to lose members.

 

[jostar1]

Wow, ten years, that's a helluva lot of non-key tweets!

All will be revealed on Friday after Flugaur sits down with the Big Ten Man at the bar.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Wow, ten years, that's a helluva lot of non-key tweets!

... and, valuable kicks supporting Boneyard operations. When UCONN gets an invitation off of the AAC island, will the ongoing P5 clicks make up for the current non-key and key CR tweets? I jest, but only on the latter question.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

If realignment is over for the next 10 years, the next move for the P5 will be contraction, not expansion.

Expansion is a lot easier than contraction.

Just ask the NHL, which should have contracted years ago.

In D1 college sports, excluding the demise of the Big E and before that the SWC, I believe over the last 75 years only 3 schools have left a current P5 conference without immediately joining another P5 conference - U Chicago (B1G) downgraded to DIII in 1946, U South (SEC) downgraded to DIII in 1940, and Tulane in 1966 . Two schools left a P5 conference and joined another P5 several years later - Georgia Tech (left SEC in 1964, joined ACC in 1978) and U South Carolina (left ACC in 1971, joined SEC in 1991).

 

[djct1999]

Expansion is a lot easier than contraction.

Just ask the NHL, which should have contracted years ago.

In D1 college sports, excluding the demise of the Big E and before that the SWC, I believe over the last 75 years only 3 schools have left a current P5 conference without immediately joining another P5 conference - U Chicago (B1G) downgraded to DIII in 1946, U South (SEC) downgraded to DIII in 1940, and Tulane in 1966 . Two schools left a P5 conference and joined another P5 several years later - Georgia Tech (left SEC in 1964, joined ACC in 1978) and U South Carolina (left ACC in 1971, joined SEC in 1991).

Call it what you want, but if the next round of realignment is ten years from now, I am quite sure the G5 teams will be nearly extinct and schools like Alabama and Ohio State will be less willing to share the piece of the pie with the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns. I hear ya, but its a different model now.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Call it what you want, but if the next round of realignment is ten years from now, I am quite sure the G5 teams will be nearly extinct and schools like Alabama and Ohio State will be less willing to share the piece of the pie with the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns. I hear ya, but its a different model now.

In the football centric SEC, I agree that there is a scenario that the have nots are kicked out. The B1G is a different story though as while football is important, it is just once key piece of a larger picture where other sports (total content) and academics are also very important. Northwestern is not a bad football program (they were in the 1996 Rose Bowl); but, their endowment is $9.8 billion, which is close to 3 times Ohio State's endowment of $3.5 billion. Unless Northwestern pulls a U Chicago and downgrades to DIII status, they are not going anywhere.