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Are we tiring teams out due to superior conditioning?

bendm said:
Is clingan gonna break 30 mins if we get to the finals against Purdue? Edey just played 38 and 39 mins in 2 days. What’s Clingan season high in minutes?
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32 against Kansas, 31 against Marquette in the B.E. Finals and 30 against Indiana.
 
I don't know how many times in the chat room that we find ourselves waiting for an opponents run that just never happens. We make them work so hard, they can never find a second gear. Conditioning is a key ingredient.
 
bendm said:
Is clingan gonna break 30 mins if we get to the finals against Purdue? Edey just played 38 and 39 mins in 2 days. What’s Clingan season high in minutes?
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Unless Samson gets abused, 25-30 is where Danny wants him. Bad things happen when he gets gassed.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Our conditioning is better than nearly everyone and yes, this plays a large role in our success but I believe the combination of physical fatigue that we impose and mental fatigue is what causes damage.
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I agree. I think the work it takes to defend our offense wears other teams out. Every team has to play every possession.
 
Its like a compound effect of conditioning, talent, great decision making, heart, skills, size, etc. These other teams can play amazing and give it their all, but the sum total eventually catches up after 15, 20, 25 mins.
 
Kitaman said:
A lot of it is conditioning yes, but getting your ass stomped is demoralizing and will also cause players to tire or 'quit' in different ways.

Just saying there is some mental tiring as well as physical. Futile situations will do that.
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Former long distance hiker here, and getting beat (rain) doesn't make the hike that much harder but it makes one want to stop that much sooner. I could do a fair distance over many days but afternoon thunderstorms, they were the worst.
 
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UCfor3 said:
At times yes, but the 30-0 run was right after halftime when Illinois was rested up. You can mentally break a team as well.
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They looked like they didn't want to be on the court anymore in the second half. I get it. It has to suck facing that unrelenting onslaught.
 
ctbro1999 said:
Also must be very demoralizing for a team to be playing a great defensive possession for 25 seconds, then 1 slip up by someone and we drain an open 3/alley-oop/backdoor layup....those are backbreakers. Then go on offense and you think you run a good set for an easy shot...and then Cling Kong sends the ball back 3 rows deep.
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And if you miss a shot the odds are good that there's going to be a long outlet pass for an easy lay up.
 
UConn has turned up defensive effort to incredible levels. Does that impact or detract from our 3 point shooting?
 
RedStickHusky said:
Unless Samson gets abused, 25-30 is where Danny wants him. Bad things happen when he gets gassed.
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Samson presents some challenges for our coaching staff to game plan on defense against Edey to say the least but his speed and athleticism would also present Edey with some big issues on the other side of the ball. He would beat Edey down the floor handily every single time and presents a lob threat in the half court that Edey has struggled with.
 
If we meet Purdue Edey is going to have to keep up with Donovan and Samson running the court. I hope the refs let them play and don’t put 2 early fouls on DC
 
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It's conditioning, depth, effort, basketball IQ and mix of size and speed that few, if any, other teams off.
It's like asking a group to chase and wrestle a pride of lions. Then, you take a few of the lions out and then ask the guy to chase a few lions and a few cheetahs.
It's also coaching, and reading your guys and knowing when they need a breather. Aside from the offense he installed and the defense that his teams always bring, Hurley doesn't get enough credit still for knowing how well he knows his guys and how he handles them.
 
UCfor3 said:
At times yes, but the 30-0 run was right after halftime when Illinois was rested up. You can mentally break a team as well.
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See Clingan stuffing Shannon's attempted slam. Will broken.
 
jibsey said:
UConn has turned up defensive effort to incredible levels. Does that impact or detract from our 3 point shooting?
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I theorize that when we shoot a non-forced three (even most 'open' ones) too soon in the clock, we forfeit the compounding advantage of requiring opponents to play defense for longer periods of time through several 'looks.' This allows opponents to set up their offense more easily.

If we start with defense, the offense flows better, and the points come. Saturday's missed threes were what I call "self-rushed." Yes, they would be back-breakers and crowd-pleasers if they went in, but if they aren't going in, change the pace by making an extra pass. This team has other ways to break the opponent's back & please the crowd. Lately, it has been called "the second half."
 
Have you seen the video of Hurley exhorting the team about running?

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"Championship program was built on men who ran everywhere."
 
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Alabama doesn't have a great defense, so I can't imagine it's going to be easy for them to run their uptempo offense and chase our guys around for 80% of the shot clock most defensive possessions.
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
I theorize that when we shoot a non-forced three (even most 'open' ones) too soon in the clock, we forfeit the compounding advantage of requiring opponents to play defense for longer periods of time through several 'looks.' This allows opponents to set up their offense more easily.

If we start with defense, the offense flows better, and the points come. Saturday's missed threes were what I call "self-rushed." Yes, they would be back-breakers and crowd-pleasers if they went in, but if they aren't going in, change the pace by making an extra pass. This team has other ways to break the opponent's back & please the crowd. Lately, it has been called "the second half."
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Agree with forfeiting the physical compounding effect of playing D, but if we don't shoot those open 3s early in the clock, opponents will sit on them and play back/help against back screens. It removes a decision that the defenders have to make which forfeits the mental compounding effect of having to play D on this team.

We need our shooters to continue to shoot open shots regardless of the shot clock; they just need to go in more frequently.
 
Our team's low pace metric is a perfect example of why analytics should always be taken with a grain of salt.
Pace is based on number of possessions a team has per game, which depends on a team's offensive and defenive possessions... not just if they're offensively pushing the ball.

UConn is often elaborate with their offensive sets, resulting in slow pace. But they can also push things in transition and rim run when needed. Defensively, we are pretty good, so that typically creates long possessions for our opponents, impacting our possessions and pace.

Make no mistake, this team is well conditioned mentally and physically. Bama fans citing the pace metric as an opportunity for their team will be in for a rude awakening.
 
Kemba Blood said:
Agree with forfeiting the physical compounding effect of playing D, but if we don't shoot those open 3s early in the clock, opponents will sit on them and play back/help against back screens. It removes a decision that the defenders have to make which forfeits the mental compounding effect of having to play D on this team.

We need our shooters to continue to shoot open shots regardless of the shot clock; they just need to go in more frequently.
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You might be right.

Expressed with greater specificity, my ask is modest: work an extra pass around the perimeter for a few cycles if 3 consecutive well-chosen 3-point attempts miss. I'm referring to the ones where you wince that a good shooter was open but the shot surprised & disappointed you for not just missing, but looking bad.

The Illinois & Northwestern games had a shockingly high percentage of misses.

It's not a big deal, given how the games turned out, but it has gotten this crowd concerned.
 
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Been texting all year during games: Gotta Go 4 - 0!
 
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Hans Sprungfeld said:
You might be right.

Expressed with greater specificity, my ask is modest: work an extra pass around the perimeter for a few cycles if 3 consecutive well-chosen 3-point attempts miss. I'm referring to the ones where you wince that a good shooter was open but the shot surprised & disappointed you for not just missing, but looking bad.

The Illinois & Northwestern games had a shockingly high percentage of misses.

It's not a big deal, given how the games turned out, but it has gotten this crowd concerned.
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Fair. I've been concerned with our three point shooting dating back to before the Creighton loss. Too many games with percentages in the teens and 20s.
 
nomar said:
Alabama doesn't have a great defense, so I can't imagine it's going to be easy for them to run their uptempo offense and chase our guys around for 80% of the shot clock most defensive possessions.
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They could be like SJU and just not really get back on defense so UConn takes faster shots. lol
 
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