AQ Status for Conferences Gone

[zls44]

Advertising in Times Square. The Mecca of the College Football world.

That's right!

The really sad part about Carl is that he thinks the SEC and Big 12 are totally incapable of buying ads twice as big in Times Square. You know why they don't?

Because nobody in NYC gives a about college football. It's a waste of time. And yet, their ratings in NYC blow the Big East's out of the water.

Cute ad though! And you used American Eagle! The sixth-douchiest clothing line there is! They can't even get Abercrombie.

 

[UConnDan97]

1. We are not just talking about football travel, but the entire sports travel, how many programs does the BE have? That is a lot of dough, it very well might be alpha centauri.

2. Does it really matter comparing the 6th and 7th conference SOS? I mean really, we are not talking about the MWC and the ACC SOS, this is the BE where Rutgers plays Army, Howard and FI year after year. You're really not increasing your SOS that much by joining the BE, it's better I'll give you that, but not by that much to make an impact as to the BE sending a team to a national champ game.

I'm not going to debate this much further cause I don't like getting into online forum pissing matches, but I won't be too surprised if Boise St doesn't end up joining the BE. I hope they do, we shall see.

Nobody like a pissing match, including me. And Jimmy Serrano touched on one of your points already, but here's the synopsis:

1) Boise State and SDSU are football-only members, so yes, we are just talking about football travel.

2) Does it really matter comparing the 6th and 7th conference SOSs? No. So why were you doing it in your earlier posts?

3) Based on the statements above, it all comes down to MONEY, which I am feeling pretty confident will be significantly more for the NBE than it will be for the MW. It might not be nearly as good as "the other 5", but it will certainly be better than what Boise State is currently in, and that's all that matters.

4) I share your hopes that they will join the BE.

That's all I was saying, so.....thanks.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

C'mon, let's be real. UConn's percieved and real place in the college FB market is exemplified by the fact that for 110 years, UConn had no place in the college FB market.

My point is that UCONN has a chance to "re-image." Look at the existing "product." The foundation exists and is waiting to be leveraged. It's not necessary to start from scratch. Find, and deal with, the worts/weaknesses. Change the perception. For god sakes, don't roll over and die.

 

[metsfan2323]

Advertising in Times Square. The Mecca of the College Football world.

So now spending marketing dollars in the media capital of the world when we are negotiating a new TV contract is a bad idea? You would prefer ads in Bumblestump Alabama or Moonshine Arkansas?

I'm starting to believe that the biggest obstacle the Big East faces is overcoming the extreme cynicism of its own fans who tend to believe everything ESPN tells them to believe.

Man that easy win over South Carolina seems so long ago.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-we-have-a-plan-bcs-rights-may-be-undervalued

While there has been much discussion about doing away with the “automatic qualifier” labels (top six conferences) and “non-automatic qualifiers” (everyone else), they are going away in name only.
That still-to-be determined revenue distribution and access points will create at least an artificial dividing line between BCS and non-BCS leagues.
“There are still going to be five conferences that are set aside,” said Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson said. “I don't have a problem with that.”
That so-called Group of Five includes the Sun Belt, MAC, WAC, Conference USA and Mountain West. Those were the FBS conferences without an automatic BCS bid for their champion in the current system. If one of the five had a team in the BCS, they split 26.4 million (18 percent of the net revenue). If not, they split half of that ($13.2 million, 9 percent).
In 2011, the Group of Five did not have a team in a BCS bowl for the first time since the 2005 season. That was the last year before double hosting in 2006 that created a new BCS bowl for more access.
Benson probably doesn't have a problem because with the TV money likely to double (at least), the Group of Five will be guaranteed something like $30 million per year going forward.

As things become clearer it seems as if the 5 current non-bcs conferences are the ones who are going to continue to be left behind and the BE will at least retain some degree of superiority over them. Our access to marquee bowls will be diminished but I really don't think they're going to be able to actually kick the BE out of the group of six at this point. This article also alluded to the fact that the BE may still be able to get a pretty big TV contract. I also saw an earlier tweet from a BYU reporter that BYU and the BE are still talking. If in fact the B12 is less interested in BYU at this point I could see NBC trying to lure them to the BE to be part of the new TV package with ESPN working to keep them, and by extension the BE in the fold. If what is written above from the CBS article is in fact accurate it seems far more likely that everyone is getting a raise even if some leagues and schools are going to have less access.

 

[pepband99]

Baloney. The big east is very, very much relevant. The big east is the only conference in the country with regular season inventory that's for sale right now - and we've got a lot of it that's for sale. The regular season inventory of every other conference is tied up for a long, long time, with some of them having signed over all broadcasting to either a single braodcasting company, or have signed over regular season broadcasting to the conference itself....

Completely wrong. See the thread on the Mtn going under. Not that I'm shocked at all that you're talking out of your @5@%!@5@@1$#%%

 

[HartbeatHusky]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/sports/college/football&sa=NCF&eid=7863041

FBS conference commissioners have decided to eliminate designating conferences as "AQ" or "non-AQ" leagues, meaning any team in the top 10 of the final BCS standings would be eligible to play in a BCS bowl game, regardless of its conference affiliation. If BCS officials decide to maintain a pool of 10 teams playing in BCS bowl games, a fifth bowl game probably would be elevated to BCS status, possibly the Cotton Bowl in Dallas or Chick-fil-A Bowl in Atlanta.

This local report from NC indicates that existing bowl tie ins will be respected but that the BCS may elevate another game such as the Cotton Bowl to BCS level in order to invite 10 eligible teams. The fairest way to do this would be then to have the top 10 ranked teams in the BCS standing or whatever the selection criteria is all be automatically included in these top bowl games. The 4 highest ranked would complete in the playoff and the rest would play in the other former BCS bowls. There would still be a bias against the Big East and the non-AQ's but at least you pretty much know what you have to do to make it to one of the top 5 bowl games. Finish in the top 10.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

So now spending marketing dollars in the media capital of the world when we are negotiating a new TV contract is a bad idea? You would prefer ads in Bumblestump Alabama or Moonshine Arkansas?

I'm starting to believe that the biggest obstacle the Big East faces is overcoming the extreme cynicism of its own fans who tend to believe everything ESPN tells them to believe.

Man that easy win over South Carolina seems so long ago.

Yes. It will have ZERO impact on any future TV deal. Got that? ZERO. NONE. NADA. ZILCH.

You know what will have an impact? More eyeballs. Bigger fanbases. Better quality of football. If you and Carl want to close your eyes and imagine that the Big East is anywhere near the SEC in this regard, all the power to you.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Completely wrong. See the thread on the Mtn going under. Not that I'm shocked at all that you're talking out of your @5@%!@5@@1$#%%

Do you have any clue as to why that network really folded? Obviously not. The network closed business, b/c the merger and formation of a large league of 1-A teams from the left overs of the most recent earthquake in conference shifiting, is being held up by existing television contracts. The report that the merger isn't going to happen is BS.

 

[pepband99]

Do you have any clue as to why that network really folded? Obviously not. The network closed business, b/c the merger and formation of a large league of 1-A teams from the left overs of the most recent earthquake in conference shifiting, is being held up by existing television contracts. The report that the merger isn't going to happen is BS.

...and none of the above makes your post any closer to correct. Your point?

 

[Carl Spackler]

...and none of the above makes your post any closer to correct. Your point?

I have no point. A point involves a single projectile. I'm a cluster munition and the BCS is my target, and all the 1-A programs in the country that have gotten on by the BCS are the incendiaries, and they're not just the small ones or the new ones. There are plenty of "big time" programs that have gotten screwed by this system.

So I have no idea what post you're disagreeing with. As far as I"m concerned, there's nothing inaccurate in anything I've written. If something is wrong, point it out, and if you've got a valid argument, I'll correct it.

 

[metsfan2323]

Yes. It will have ZERO impact on any future TV deal. Got that? ZERO. NONE. NADA. ZILCH.

You know what will have an impact? More eyeballs. Bigger fanbases. Better quality of football. If you and Carl want to close your eyes and imagine that the Big East is anywhere near the SEC in this regard, all the power to you.

Would you kindly point out the post that said the Big East was comparable to the SEC? It's quite clear from this thread that they have better fans. I suggest you, ZLS and "BigEastConference" retire as fans, and put yourselves out to pasture where you can wax poetic on the glory days of "AQ status" and the prestige it once brought to Big East football. I'll look forward to better days ahead.

 

[Carl Spackler]

That's right!

The really sad part about Carl is that he thinks the SEC and Big 12 are totally incapable of buying ads twice as big in Times Square. You know why they don't?

Because nobody in NYC gives a about college football. It's a waste of time. And yet, their ratings in NYC blow the Big East's out of the water.

Cute ad though! And you used American Eagle! The sixth-douchiest clothing line there is! They can't even get Abercrombie.

Nobody in New York cares about colelge football huh. Ever heard of the Mara's? The Steinbrenners? the ducking Heisman trophy?

New York City doesn't need a college football team - it's too friggin big. NYC needs a football CONFERENCE.

 

[pj]

If NYC college football is so big, why is NYC high school football so small? Why do NYC high schools produce 4 BCS recruits a year? Not everything in NYC is big.

I think in the end we know how this will turn out. It will be like major league baseball. Money will go to teams in proportion to fan base and media market size, but there will have to be some redistribution from the rich teams to the middle class so that there can be enough competition to maintain fan interest and maximize the pie, just like the Yankees have to pay luxury tax to the Pirates. The elite teams win most years, but middle class teams have an outside shot once in a while.

 

[Adios]

The college football markets in Connecticut and New York really are undervalued. I think NY easily rivals the elite states, as a market.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Would you kindly point out the post that said the Big East was comparable to the SEC? It's quite clear from this thread that they have better fans. I suggest you, ZLS and "BigEastConference" retire as fans, and put yourselves out to pasture where you can wax poetic on the glory days of "AQ status" and the prestige it once brought to Big East football. I'll look forward to better days ahead.

Whatever you say, Baghdad Bob.

 

[pj]

Butchy - Yes. That's why UConn's future in college football depends on developing NYC. Building a fan following in NYC would ensure bit TV revenue and a solid place on the college football map.

Not saying it's easy. BC's pitch has been they could develop Boston as a college football market. Hasn't happened yet.

 

[Adios]

Butchy - Yes. That's why UConn's future in college football depends on developing NYC. Building a fan following in NYC would ensure bit TV revenue and a solid place on the college football map.

Not saying it's easy. BC's pitch has been they could develop Boston as a college football market. Hasn't happened yet.

We need to stretch downward into Greenwich. That would be a good start.

 

[businesslawyer]

I have no point.

Could someone please just save this for when we need it.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

We need to stretch downward into Greenwich. That would be a good start.

I agree. Greenwich is a start. It's UConn. I guess we do have some casual NYC basketball fans but we are not NYC's team and never will be. We need to focus on getting CT all on board.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

And the picture becomes clearer yet. Looks like the Big East will still be considered one of the Big 6 when all is said and done which should be a relief for all fans of UConn football and the other remaining and new Big East members. If Big East members want to go to big boy bowls they have to do the same thing as the schools from the other conferences. Win a whole lot of games during the regular season while losing hardly any. Most 1 and 2 loss teams from the Big 6 conferences will still be making the BCS or whatever it'll be called going forward.

http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2012/04/4-team_college_football_playof.html

Multiple outlets camped out in Hollywood, Fla., on Friday reported that FBS conference commissioners were close to agreeing on a bowl-oriented format for a 4-team playoff to determine the national champion of college football.
Which means two things:
The big six conferences and Notre Dame have figured out a way to keep the five have-not conferences out of the big money.
The oily businessmen who run the bowls still have their sticky fingers in the pie.

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There've been a few evacuees from those leagues lately. Utah managed to jump in with the Pac-12. The others, right now, are more like boat people. Boise State, Houston, Southern Methodist and San Diego State have taken the gamble of joining a sort of western division of a Big East desperate to retain its BCS status. Memphis, Temple and Central Florida have also signed up. Considering their alternative, they have virtually nothing to lose. We'll see if the new far-flung Big East passes muster.
But everyone else in those small-money FBS conferences will continue to live with the inherent virtual impossibility of ranking in any top 4 no matter if they go undefeated. They simply can't get the voting respect and computer ranking necessary without playing in one of the six major conferences.

 

[Dann]

I agree. Greenwich is a start. It's UConn. I guess we do have some casual NYC basketball fans but we are not NYC's team and never will be. We need to focus on getting CT all on board.

PP is doing a good job of this on a personal level effort. its time for uconn media/reaching out wise to match him.

 

[CTMike]

And the picture becomes clearer yet. Looks like the Big East will still be considered one of the Big 6 when all is said and done which should be a relief for all fans of UConn football and the other remaining and new Big East members. If Big East members want to go to big boy bowls they have to do the same thing as the schools from the other conferences. Win a whole lot of games during the regular season while losing hardly any. Most 1 and 2 loss teams from the Big 6 conferences will still be making the BCS or whatever it'll be called going forward.

http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2012/04/4-team_college_football_playof.html

Multiple outlets camped out in Hollywood, Fla., on Friday reported that FBS conference commissioners were close to agreeing on a bowl-oriented format for a 4-team playoff to determine the national champion of college football.
Which means two things:
The big six conferences and Notre Dame have figured out a way to keep the five have-not conferences out of the big money.
The oily businessmen who run the bowls still have their sticky fingers in the pie.

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There've been a few evacuees from those leagues lately. Utah managed to jump in with the Pac-12. The others, right now, are more like boat people. Boise State, Houston, Southern Methodist and San Diego State have taken the gamble of joining a sort of western division of a Big East desperate to retain its BCS status. Memphis, Temple and Central Florida have also signed up. Considering their alternative, they have virtually nothing to lose. We'll see if the new far-flung Big East passes muster.
But everyone else in those small-money FBS conferences will continue to live with the inherent virtual impossibility of ranking in any top 4 no matter if they go undefeated. They simply can't get the voting respect and computer ranking necessary without playing in one of the six major conferences.

The devil you know...

 

[HartbeatHusky]

We can all complain about the process of coming up with the BCS rankings during the regular season but I personally cannot find much to complain about if the top ten ranked teams are guaranteed a spot in one of the top bowls with the top 4 all having a shot to compete for the title. If this is what we end up with it'll be light years ahead of the current system. The New Big East still has multiple teams that have finished the regular season ranked in the top ten over the past decade. All the Big East has to do is not suck and it will be OK. Not saying it's perfect but the doom and gloom, all is lost predictions, do not appear as if they will come to fruition.

 

[Carl Spackler]

If what I understand to be correct, IS correct, and time will tell. Is that Marinatto and Slive were paired up when those guys down there in Florida went into small group "discussions" this past week to figure out what ideas work and what doesn't.

If that is the case, and that means that they're seriously looking at scrapping and re-evaluating such that a ranking system is established - that youknow - actually is fair and makes sense for seeding a playoff?

Well, Marinatto just made Dave Gavitt look down and be damn proud for the Big East. Because the Big East and big east BASKETBALL - combined with football is poised to take a new media deal come fall 2012 for regular season competition, and right after the big east talks open up for regular season sale, the college football post season playoff is going to rake in a television contract that will dwarf what the BCS was able to provide for revenue distribution among all 11 conferences in football revenue.

The big east isn't going anywhere folks, and just like in 2003, when nobody (including our own cynical fans) believed it could get stronger - the big east will be stronger than ever.

Do unto others as you would have done to you. I'm proud of the way UConn has handled ourselves in the intercollegiate landscape during these times.

 

[Carl Spackler]

If NYC college football is so big, why is NYC high school football so small? Why do NYC high schools produce 4 BCS recruits a year? Not everything in NYC is big.

I think in the end we know how this will turn out. It will be like major league baseball. Money will go to teams in proportion to fan base and media market size, but there will have to be some redistribution from the rich teams to the middle class so that there can be enough competition to maintain fan interest and maximize the pie, just like the Yankees have to pay luxury tax to the Pirates. The elite teams win most years, but middle class teams have an outside shot once in a while.

Hi PJ. The short answer to your first question is the Ivy League. The long anwer is how and why, it's the Ivy League.

The Ivy league gave birth to American college football, and was New York City's conference until they decided that the purity of competition in football was being corrupted by money -and yes - there was a time when New York City was indeed college football's 'mecca'. THe Ivy' are in need of no money from media enterprises, and New York City has been without a college football conference for far too long. I'm watching with a giant smile on my face as John Marinatto works to make that happen, because Mike Tranghese sh(t the bed for 20 years.

The Ivy league brought the rise of college football to the entire United States, and it squashed it's importance from youth to adults in the northeast while it continue to grow across the country.

College football is coming back in the northeast though, and UConn is right in the middle of it.

 

[zls44]

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The big east isn't going anywhere folks[/quote]


Exactly.

 

[zls44]

Nobody.

Anywhere.

Gives a shit.

About the ivy league.


Not me. Not my gf who went to columbia. Not her family who went to columbia.

Wellington Mara is dead. George Steinbrenner is dead. The NYAC is dead.


Grow up, Carl. Pull your ass out of 1965.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

This is the best thing that ever happened for the non-major conferences. Anyone who believes otherwise doesn't understand just how seismic this change is. We will be at a 16 team playoff by the end of the decade, and playoff where participation will be determined by quality of play, not popularity.

The majors will still dominate, because they have the most money, but everyone else will at least have a chance.

 

[HartbeatHusky]

This is the best thing that ever happened for the non-major conferences. Anyone who believes otherwise doesn't understand just how seismic this change is. We will be at a 16 team playoff by the end of the decade, and playoff where participation will be determined by quality of play, not popularity.

The majors will still dominate, because they have the most money, but everyone else will at least have a chance.

I'm not sure about how quickly the field for the playoff will expand but I agree with you 100% that this is the best thing that ever happened to the non-major programs. It's also, contrary to popular belief, the best thing that could have happened for the Big East at this point in time. There is still a reasonable chance that a BE team can finish in the top 10 in any given year and it looks like we'll be on the power 6 side of the revenue distribution set-up. Any UConn fan who doesn't take this as a huge relief doesn't really understand where it appears this is headed.