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Do anyone knows if UConn have interest in Toby Fournier?

It is my understanding that Toby has not developed her basketball skills enough (beyond the ability to dunk) to be considered a UCONN level recruit. Maybe @cancontent can confirm or deny this.
 
Sometimes I wonder if elite programs like UConn should adopt a slightly broader approach in light of hyper-competitive recruiting landscape & the best players entertaining so many schools in consideration.

Not quite Louisville model of offering everybody but what if UConn offered Kitts, Booker, Toomey, Donovan, etc. & then just rescinded offers whenever 1-2 existing committed? May apply some pressure to each recruit while not missing out on the one(s)— Kitts in this case— that could be/is forging relationships elsewhere while UConn eggs in only select, finite baskets. Risky approach, again considering present environment.

Days of UConn having head-and-shoulder advantage with these kids is over, I’m afraid. They are now one of a handful of desirable schools, & that list is growing.

As I write this, though, then again we have Transfer Portal as annual means of filling in roster with seasoned players to fit need(s), with more tape & maturity to leverage in making such decisions.
I'm sure many coaches operate this way and it's certainly their prerogative to do so. JMO but I doubt that Auriemma does or would. He is adamant that every kid he offers has to fit his criteria for his program. And a big part of that is attitude and work ethic. Looking at the current and past rosters it's clear that talent is not the dominant determinator. He builds a roster as best he can, not an all star team. And he'll pass on top talent if he doesn't think they'll fit, he just won't compromise. That's why I doubt that he offered Janiah Barker, who along with Mikaylah Williams is arguably the top talent in the 2023 class. It works pretty well and saves a lot of headaches that we're seeing at many programs.
Another point might be this. Using the bolded idea and names you gave just as example, he would surely have those 4 prioritized in an order. And let's say he needs 2 from that group and #1 is far and away the best of the group. #2 and #3 jump up and accept immediately. He's put himself in position to not only lose his #1, but risk it getting out that he's yanking accepted offers if #1 decides to come a month later. Every other coach out there would love having that tool to use in negative recruiting. I can't see him risking that.
 
Sometimes I wonder if elite programs like UConn should adopt a slightly broader approach in light of hyper-competitive recruiting landscape & the best players entertaining so many schools in consideration.
Not quite Louisville model of offering everybody but what if UConn offered Kitts, Booker, Toomey, Donovan, etc. & then just rescinded offers whenever 1-2 existing committed? May apply some pressure to each recruit while not missing out on the one(s)— Kitts in this case— that could be/is forging relationships elsewhere while UConn eggs in only select, finite baskets. Risky approach, again considering present environment.
Days of UConn having head-and-shoulder advantage with these kids is over, I’m afraid. They are now one of a handful of desirable schools, & that list is growing.

As I write this, though, then again we have Transfer Portal as annual means of filling in roster with seasoned players to fit need(s), with more tape & maturity to leverage in making such decisions.
You sound very much like @Charliebball circa 2018. UCONN has cast a wider net in the past few years and perhaps is evaluating prospects earlier that in the past. However, this conception of offering everyone and then rescinding offers is not the way UCONN WBB operates. Even with more UCONN offers coming out and perhaps earlier the evaluation process remains extremely selective. UCONN will never apply "pressure" to a recruit as long as Geno is at the helm because he is just too stubborn and prideful & I mean that in the most complementary way possible.
Geno vision is also distinctly different that ours. In a prior post I wrote that Kitts might be similar to Booker and Toomey. Geno is not opposed to bringing in players that "appear" to be duplicative. For example Kia Nurse, Gabby Williams and Sadie Edwards and Courtney Ekmark was a class of 4 guards which was followed by a class with 3 wing players in KLS, Napheesa Collier and De'Jane Boykin. Even in the most recent class one could argue based on our vision that Saylor and Caroline were duplicative players. In short Kitts and Booker might very well end up being offered by UCON. If that happens it will not be because of pressure, or fear of losing one or the other. It will have been because UCONN has done the evaluation and determined that both are worth of a UCONN offer and there is a reasonable chance that they will accept the UCONN offers.
 
You sound very much like @Charliebball circa 2018. UCONN has cast a wider net in the past few years and perhaps is evaluating prospects earlier that in the past. However, this conception of offering everyone and then rescinding offers is not the way UCONN WBB operates. Even with more UCONN offers coming out and perhaps earlier the evaluation process remains extremely selective. UCONN will never apply "pressure" to a recruit as long as Geno is at the helm because he is just too stubborn and prideful & I mean that in the most complementary way possible.
Geno vision is also distinctly different that ours. In a prior post I wrote that Kitts might be similar to Booker and Toomey. Geno is not opposed to bringing in players that "appear" to be duplicative. For example Kia Nurse, Gabby Williams and Sadie Edwards and Courtney Ekmark was a class of 4 guards which was followed by a class with 3 wing players in KLS, Napheesa Collier and De'Jane Boykin. Even in the most recent class one could argue based on our vision that Saylor and Caroline were duplicative players. In short Kitts and Booker might very well end up being offered by UCON. If that happens it will not be because of pressure, or fear of losing one or the other. It will have been because UCONN has done the evaluation and determined that both are worth of a UCONN offer and there is a reasonable chance that they will accept the UCONN offers.
Guilty as charged but that was based on some less than stellar recruiting results........UConn has been on a hot streak in the past couple of classes so I'm not complaining.........yet........;)
 
It is my understanding that Toby has not developed her basketball skills enough (beyond the ability to dunk) to be considered a UCONN level recruit. Maybe @cancontent can confirm or deny this.

I've heard rumours UConn may have reached out, maybe out of respect to the Crestwood Prep coach is my guess. I've heard Oregon has been interested along with Iowa State.

She's still raw as she only started basketball at 13/14 years old. Compared to Prosper, she's still has quite a ways to go.

There are games where she's wow, but she also has games where you scratch your head. Will be interesting to see if she makes the U17 squad this year and plays against top international competition.
 
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Key recruiting take away from the game last night: UCONN has acute needs for a more physical post presence and better perimeter defender that maybe best filled by Breya Cunningham (post presence) and Sahara Williams (perimeter defender) in the 2023 class for the long term. The short term answer might have to come from the transfer portal (Kennedy Brown) and Priscilla Williams and/or Abby Meyers.
 
Key recruiting take away from the game last night: UCONN has acute needs for a more physical post presence and better perimeter defender that maybe best filled by Breya Cunningham (post presence) and Sahara Williams (perimeter defender) in the 2023 class for the long term. The short term answer might have to come from the transfer portal (Kennedy Brown) and Priscilla Williams and/or Abby Meyers.
Do you think we need post players because of what we currently have on the roster aren't enough to contend or is it more about battling against South Carolina.
 
Do you think we need post players because of what we currently have on the roster aren't enough to contend or is it more about battling against South Carolina.
I’ll admit it is mostly about beating South Carolina. Boston will graduate in a year but Cardoso might remain. I just think it is better to have that type of player on the roster vs not having one. Evina and Caroline trying to guard Cardoso and Boston in the post last night is not something we should be looking to EVER again. Ugly! Remember UCONN not having anyone to match up against Nylassa Smith the last few years also.
 
Key recruiting take away from the game last night: UCONN has acute needs for a more physical post presence and better perimeter defender that maybe best filled by Breya Cunningham (post presence) and Sahara Williams (perimeter defender) in the 2023 class for the long term. The short term answer might have to come from the transfer portal (Kennedy Brown) and Priscilla Williams and/or Abby Meyers.
A big key for UCONN is ot not have as many injuires too.
 
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what is the latest on Ciera Toomey
Confirmed ACL injury cost her a PA state championship run. She is still holding a UCONN offer. Last visit was to UNC(?) and there might be other schools in the mix.
ACL surgery in mid-March might mean she is back in time for her senior HS season in November & just in time for her commit to UCONN during the early signing period.
 
I’ll admit it is mostly about beating South Carolina. Boston will graduate in a year but Cardoso might remain. I just think it is better to have that type of player on the roster vs not having one. Evina and Caroline trying to guard Cardoso and Boston in the post last night is not something we should be looking to EVER again. Ugly! Remember UCONN not having anyone to match up against Nylassa Smith the last few years also.
Thanks for helping understand and I would agree to with you to some degree. My only problem is Geno willing to highlight post players in his offense.
 
Thanks for helping understand and I would agree to with you to some degree. My only problem is Geno willing to highlight post players in his offense.
Without a doubt! Think about all the UCONN post players that have been featured in the UCONN offense and have become NPOY. Lobo, Wolters, Tina, Maya, Stewie. The AAs Bascom, Dolson, Collier , Tuck, & Williams.
 
That's not the problem. We couldn't rebound. Defend well enough down there vs SC. Don't need to "highlight" a low post game. Just be decent.
You have to have low post offense. It puts pressure on the Defense. Our problems against SC was defending bigs and then trying to play, help defense. That was the entire countries problem against SC.
No you don't highlight the post but you most certainly use them. To many times I see Bigs posting hard and no look inside.
 
You have to have low post offense. It puts pressure on the Defense. Our problems against SC was defending bigs and then trying to play, help defense. That was the entire countries problem against SC.

UCONN was at its best when we tr
But it doesn't have to be "a highlight." It wasn’t "A highlight" leading up to the Finals - so one team with extreme size while UCONN is banged up and we need to scrap everything that has happened over the past many years?

By the way, on another thread AGStatesman is saying we need a better defender in the low post more than anything.

Maybe a step back by fans is needed and realize we were banged up lost to a better team and did get to the Finals.
 
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I posted this on the general recruiting board, too. I don't think she's necessarily a UConn POI, but I know Hana is a fan POI.

 
You have to have low post offense. It puts pressure on the Defense. Our problems against SC was defending bigs and then trying to play, help defense. That was the entire countries problem against SC.
No you don't highlight the post but you most certainly use them. To many times I see Bigs posting hard and no look inside.
I strongly agree with you and stated this the day Napheesa Collier graduated. You need a balance of perimeter play and post play to return to championship level.
Paige by herself is sufficient perimeter play to get you most of the way there. The post play must improve. Improvement needs to be two fold- The guards cannot be ignoring open post players but the post players need to become significantly more productive with the touches they are getting in the paint and at the basket. Too many missed layup, playing to avoid contact, turnovers by dribbling into traffic and not being set on the high ball screens.
 
But it doesn't have to be "a highlight." It wasn’t "A highlight" leading up to the Finals - so one team with extreme size while UCONN is banged up and we need to scrap everything that has happened over the past many years?

By the way, on another thread AGStatesman is saying we need a better defender in the low post more than anything.

Maybe a step back by fans is needed and realize we were banged up lost to a better team and did get to the Finals.
Somehow you got scrapping our offense from my comment. I Said no such thing. Using the post by no means says scrap the perimeter orientated offense. However attracting top post players will be difficult to get if we can't showcase them within our perimeter orientated offense.

We have good defensive post players. Your bigs are only as strong as your defensive perimeter players just take a look at South Carolina's perimeter defenders.
 
Somehow you got scrapping our offense from my comment. I Said no such thing. Using the post by no means says scrap the perimeter orientated offense. However attracting top post players will be difficult to get if we can't showcase them within our perimeter orientated offense.

We have good defensive post players. Your bigs are only as strong as your defensive perimeter players just take a look at South Carolina's perimeter defenders.
But you said "highlight" the post offense, didn't you? That would be scrapping our current offense, wouldn’t it? I;m aksing - don't take offense to my question please. You are a great poster. If i'm wrong here in interpretation let me know. UCON is not going to highlight post play with the guards they have.

In regards to the 2nd point ahhh I was just bringing up that I'm arguing with you about UCONN and low post offense

and the prior post I made I'm arguing with someone opposite stating that they need more of a better big that can play defense. It was just a throwaway comment I made you vs the other poster while in seconds I'm arguing with both.
 
You have to have low post offense. It puts pressure on the Defense. Our problems against SC was defending bigs and then trying to play, help defense. That was the entire countries problem against SC.
No you don't highlight the post but you most certainly use them. To many times I see Bigs posting hard and no look inside.
I'm with you 100%. I focused on your word "highlight." Yes 100% I'm with you !!! :) As coco and you I htink both are sayign and I have said many times as well BALANCE is needed.
 
Been following UConn women since back in the Rebecca Lobo days. Olivia and Dorka were/are both very non-physical and foul-prone...we need one or 2 posts who will bang with the best of them. Edwards has the build to do it, but doesn't get it done.
 
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I strongly agree with you and stated this the day Napheesa Collier graduated. You need a balance of perimeter play and post play to return to championship level.
Paige by herself is sufficient perimeter play to get you most of the way there. The post play must improve. Improvement needs to be two fold- The guards cannot be ignoring open post players but the post players need to become significantly more productive with the touches they are getting in the paint and at the basket. Too many missed layup, playing to avoid contact, turnovers by dribbling into traffic and not being set on the high ball screens.
Can't argue when your right.
But please just let me add something to your point.
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What does productive play look like for UCONN post? For every bad play our Post players make it seems to be highlighted or weighted more negative than any other position. Watch a lot of women's basketball and post miss shots moving screens etc.. Even the POY misses shots.
 
Been following UConn women since back in the Rebecca Lobo days. Olivia and Dorka were/are both very non-physical and foul-prone...we need one or 2 posts who will bang with the best of them. Edwards has the build to do it, but doesn't get it done.
Agree in principle but:
1) Edwards, while 6'3, is still a little short compared to Boston, Cunane, Brink etc. She is developing her defensive skills and I think will be better yet. She is our most physical big easily, I don't think it is that she isn't getting it done, it's more like it isn't getting done if she is the only one banging.
2) While true that people who were injured or missing definitely handicapped us, we got killed on the boards because SC emphasized everyone working to get both offensive and defensive rebounds. In contrast, with UConn putting 3/5 to 4/5 of the team on the perimeter, then these players likely won't be in the mix for rebounds or loose balls. All SC had to do was block out one player usually. SC bet they could cover any resulting fast breaks by UConn even with crashing the boards because their guards are very quick.
3) Dorka is a good rebounding center/forward. She will benefit from another year of practice and play with the team. I hope she learns how to make lay-ups and improves on her FT percentage.
4) Geno really needs team to practice how to box out, how to always stay between opponent and basket, putting the body against the opponent and pushing them back. Just didn't happen. Boxing out needs to be done not only to the person shooting but also to teammates. Too many times we just didn't box out.
5) I'm hoping Amari will become a good big. She seems to want to stay outside, but she is tallest person on squad, I believe, and there is no reason why she can't become a good big down low.
 
But you said "highlight" the post offense, didn't you? That would be scrapping our current offense, wouldn’t it? I;m aksing - don't take offense to my question please. You are a great poster. If i'm wrong here in interpretation let me know. UCON is not going to highlight post play with the guards they have.

In regards to the 2nd point ahhh I was just bringing up that I'm arguing with you about UCONN and low post offense

and the prior post I made I'm arguing with someone opposite stating that they need more of a better big that can play defense. It was just a throwaway comment I made you vs the other poster while in seconds I'm arguing with both.
Thank you and I appreciate your insight on topics too. Never arguing but simple pleasures of debate.
No, I was not referring to highlighting the low post exclusively. If anything I'm merely saying it's time to get innovative and find ways to incorporate post offense so it is attractive to other major post players but most importantly give the other teams something to have to guard against in the post. We can't blame post for every missed shot, foul etc... when the team on whole has similar issues. It's a head scratcher for post players.

I think Amari is Taylor made for Geno's high post offense as she will be able to knock down some perimeter shots. It's the other intangibles that have me a little worried. Such as toughness and rebounding.
 
Can't argue when your right.
But please just let me add something to your point.
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What does productive play look like for UCONN post? For every bad play our Post players make it seems to be highlighted or weighted more negative than any other position. Watch a lot of women's basketball and post miss shots moving screens etc.. Even the POY misses shots.
It is not entirely about shot making. The biggest hallmarks of a UCONN post is consistency, playing to your strengths, and growth.
Consistency would mean that when Geno puts you on the floor he knows what to expect- that is not saying you are going to be a world beater it is just saying there is a predictability to the performance and you are not having days where you look like an AA and other where you fail to impact the game and are almost invisible. The playing to your strength part should be obvious and the expectation is you were recruited because you do X. Y and Z well-keep doing those at a high level but grow your game.
The growth part has been the most frustrating for this senior class IMO. CW, ONO, and Evina are graduating as pretty much the same players they were in their first year at UCONN=no growth. For example Christyn Williams best statistical year was her freshman season & ONO blocked more shots as a part-time player in her freshman season than she did as a fulltime starter in both her junior and senior campaigns. It is very rare for a UCONN player to not improve, even more so for an entire class.
 
Thank you and I appreciate your insight on topics too. Never arguing but simple pleasures of debate.
No, I was not referring to highlighting the low post exclusively. If anything I'm merely saying it's time to get innovative and find ways to incorporate post offense so it is attractive to other major post players but most importantly give the other teams something to have to guard against in the post. We can't blame post for every missed shot, foul etc... when the team on whole has similar issues. It's a head scratcher for post players.

I think Amari is Taylor made for Geno's high post offense as she will be able to knock down some perimeter shots. It's the other intangibles that have me a little worried. Such as toughness and rebounding.
There are certainly many options in Auriemma’s read and react motion offense for using the low post and he would love to be able to take advantage of a skilled, inside player or two. If he had one. The problem is that since Napheesa Collier, he hasn’t had an inside offensive threat with the hands, footwork, and variety of shots to make an impact and be able to attack the defense with any kind of consistency. There are very few of them out there to recruit who are ready made so you have to take a kid with size and some athleticism and hope for a fairly quick development. And the motivation for that development has to come mainly from the kid and recently that just hasn’t been there. You can lead a horse to water etc. etc. We’ll see if any of the current roster or incoming freshmen have that motivation in them during the offseason.
 
I hope/trust Geno is doubling down on his Toomey commitment amidst her knee injury.

Recall that Gabby Williams blew her knee in HS & Dawn Staley just mentioned in pregame presser responsive to TSN (Canada) media question that she believed in Letitia Amihere even after her HS knee injury.
 
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