Just looking ahead...how do transfers impact a team's APR. I know that they do in some way, but I figure some of you guys would have a better handle on it than me. Just wondering if we lose some guys as possible transfers (AO, DD, ?) with the possible 2013 ban looming how that would affect our APR moving forward? Would hate to see that because we may be banned in 2013 that we actually get screwed again in a later year because we have too many transfers. BTW new to the board and I just want to say lots of good stuff to find here.
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If a transfer leaves a school in bad academic standing points are taken away from that schools APR score. Same if a player leaves early for the NBA. If in good academic standing no points are taken away.
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It depends on what you call "good academic standing". I think the standards for transfers (~2.6 GPA) are higher than for academic standing for guys leaving for the NBA (~2.0 GPA?). We lost an APR point because of Jamal Coombs-McDaniel transferring: he was in good standing (>2.0 GPA), but didn't meet the elevated requirement for transfers to not cost you a point.
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I think it's a joke that you can lose a point off the APR score because a kid transfers to get more playing time. How many examples of this have we seen? Sometimes coaches miss on players, those players rightfully decide to transfer to a smaller conference, and somehow, the NCAA takes this to mean that the program does not put an emphasis on academics, even though the kid could be hard worker who goes to class every day.
It's bull . *k the NCAA.
It's bull . *k the NCAA.
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It's kind of stupid to need a higher GPA to transfer to not take a hit on the APR than the school that they are transferring to requires for a GPA. So Hofstra took all Jamal Coombs-McDaniel's credits and let him transfer into the school but the NCAA says that's not good enough? The NCAA is ridiculous.
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OK - I will ask the taboo question - Did Kemba actually graduate? We all know he walked but has he actually graduated? If not, when will that have an APR impact? . Keep in mind he left in what is normally a student's JR year but we were told he was ahead credit wise. You need both over-all credits, credits in your Major and a certain grade point average in both. If he lacks any of these requirements he can't graduate.
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I'm not sure if Kemba graduated, but since he went pro and left in good academic standing, I don't think that matters.
I think players not graduating only matters if they stay the full 4 years (in which case graduation is equivalent to being in good academic standing).
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that.
I think players not graduating only matters if they stay the full 4 years (in which case graduation is equivalent to being in good academic standing).
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that.
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Even if he never graduates, it won't affect APR since he left to pursue a professional career in good academic standing.
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The APR is all phoney Emmert posturing as an academic advocate when the NCAA is really all about money for themselves at the kid's expense.i
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Bilas was ripping the APR on twitter today, by the way. The casual observer likely doesn't know how APR is calculated, which is probably why there isn't much public outrage over the fact that a team can be punished twice for a system that's broken. There are a lot of flaws and head scraching calculations that go into the APR, while we have had kids who inexplicably did not graduate after four+ years, UConn would still be fine if the NCAA didn't punish the program for a player transferring because of basketball purposes.
It would be wrong of me to make UConn look like victims here though. There was no reason for kids like Stanley, Edwards, and Mandeldove not to graduate. I still don't think it's right to leave them out of the tournament when the punishment at the time was much less severe than it is now. We have double jeopardy and retroactive punishment at work here, two big no no's in law making.
It would be wrong of me to make UConn look like victims here though. There was no reason for kids like Stanley, Edwards, and Mandeldove not to graduate. I still don't think it's right to leave them out of the tournament when the punishment at the time was much less severe than it is now. We have double jeopardy and retroactive punishment at work here, two big no no's in law making.
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As others have stated, whether or not he graduates does not affect UConn's APR score since he left in good academic standing. However, I believe it would affect UConn's "graduation rate" which is another score often cited for a school's academics. That being said, Kemba took care of what he needed to and did have the necessary credits to graduate, even if they weren't all in place when he walked last May.
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I don't expect Oriakhi to transfer. A post-junior season transfer is pretty rare unless there are some kind of serious problems going on.
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I agree on that note. By all accounts, Eaves was a pretty bright kid and as far as character goes, I never heard a bad thing about Marcus Johnson.
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You're right, so I guess he kind of has somewhat of an excuse. What was the story on that again? Was it dicipline? Bilas' other argument on twitter, was that the APR discourages dicipline (I.E. kicking kids off the team) because they'll lose the points. It's a valid argument in light of the UCLA story, in which Reeves Nelson basically wrecked hell on campus for nearly three years before finally getting the boot. You could argue that it's on the coach to recruit good character kids, but sometimes you have to take a chance. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. Again, not a very good way to measure academic performance.
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Last I heard he needed 1 more course. He may have completed that course via internet by now.
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He did. He's all set now.
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In this year's class with 10 scholarships each point deducted is worth 25 points on the 1000 point scale.
Transfer in bad standing (earns 0 of 2 points in the Spring Semester): Minus 50 points
Transfer in good standing < 2.6 GPA (earns 1 of 2 points in the Spring Semester): Minus 25 points.
Most years losing 3 points overall is OK (942) . Losing 4 points (923) is where the problems start. (That's based on a normal 13 scholarship year)
The key is to keep the kids academically eligible.
Transfer in bad standing (earns 0 of 2 points in the Spring Semester): Minus 50 points
Transfer in good standing < 2.6 GPA (earns 1 of 2 points in the Spring Semester): Minus 25 points.
Most years losing 3 points overall is OK (942) . Losing 4 points (923) is where the problems start. (That's based on a normal 13 scholarship year)
The key is to keep the kids academically eligible.
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