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Rebuilding job will be the new "trailers".

How long will Edsall be blaming his losses in some way, shape or form, on Diaco? 3 years? 5 years?
 
huskysupporter said:
I have zero problem with his approach to players. I follow Maryland closely (went there for 2 years). Coach Edsall entered a tough situation there. Friedgen let players do what they wanted. Locker room didn't like being held accountable. Enter Coach Edsall. Players whined, many left, some kicked off team, and others, led by QB Danny O'Brien were very vocal. (He transferred to Wisconsin and played horrendously). We need him to have same tough approach holding players accountable on and off the field.

What I am hoping for is a kinder and gentler Randy to media and local coaches.
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I think the valid question about Edsall's cieling is whether the control he wants over every second of his players lives is doable when you have a roster of kids who could have gone anywhere, as opposed to an old UConn roster where for at least half the kids we were the best school to offer them. Having said that, however, this "cieling" doing it almost all with un or under recruited kids is so many light years above where we are now that no sane person can be worrying about it.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Rebuilding job will be the new "trailers".

How long will Edsall be blaming his losses in some way, shape or form, on Diaco? 3 years? 5 years?
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nelsonmuntz said:
Rebuilding job will be the new "trailers".

How long will Edsall be blaming his losses in some way, shape or form, on Diaco? 3 years? 5 years?
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Just like on the Cesspool, it's good to know that you don't feel the need to wait for someone to actually do something before you are whining about what you think they will do. At least we can count on your consistency.
 
businesslawyer said:
Just like on the Cesspool, it's good to know that you don't feel the need to wait for someone to actually do something before you are whining about what you think they will do. At least we can count on your consistency.
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Good thing about the Internet is that we have a record of which posters were early critics of Diaco, and which ones weren't.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Good thing about the Internet is that we have a record of which posters were early critics of Diaco, and which ones weren't.
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I absolutely wanted to give Diaco a chance. Your theory is criticizing everyone before they do anything makes you smart every time someone, after doing something, fails? Got it. Interesting strategy.
 
businesslawyer said:
I absolutely wanted to give Diaco a chance. Your theory is criticizing everyone before they do anything makes you smart every time someone, after doing something, fails? Got it. Interesting strategy.
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His prediction business went bankrupt in Novemeber.
And his clients are hurting.

I would say he will probably blame Diaco until every FCS recruit has graduated or transferred out. Nelson would if he was in RE's position.
 
UConn FB a high-risk career move for a quality coach whose stock is on the rise. Why take that chance if you are Joe Moorhead or someone like that? Crazy. Edsall is probably the best available coach willing to take the job.

I will thoroughly enjoy watching our Huskies cruise to a 4 TD victory over our FCS opponent in next year's opener. We'll see what happens after that, but whatever does happen, it will better than what would have happened under Diaco Bob 2017. RE was likely the best option available to DB and he made the right call.
 
businesslawyer said:
I absolutely wanted to give Diaco a chance. Your theory is criticizing everyone before they do anything makes you smart every time someone, after doing something, fails? Got it. Interesting strategy.
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My theory is criticizing obviously bad decisions as soon as they become obvious. Pointing out that Diaco was in way over his head did not take a crystal ball. You just had to look at his first staff.

I was also an early Ollie backer, while most of that board was defending Manuel's stupid interim designation.

This is a dud hire of a retread that was never really that successful in the first place. Now he doesn't even have a BCS conference to recruit with, and the game appears to have passed him by. Edsall may be modestly successful at UConn, but this is a much riskier hire than people think.
 
gopher2 said:
UConn FB a high-risk career move for a quality coach whose stock is on the rise. Why take that chance if you are Joe Moorhead or someone like that? Crazy. Edsall is probably the best available coach willing to take the job.

I will thoroughly enjoy watching our Huskies cruise to a 4 TD victory over our FCS opponent in next year's opener. We'll see what happens after that, but whatever does happen, it will better than what would have happened under Diaco Bob 2017. RE was likely the best option available to DB and he made the right call.
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We haven't cruised to a victory over our FBS opponent since -- I'm struggling to remember. P's first year maybe?
 
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Randy is a good coach and a better person. I was shocked when I popped open this board after my meetings this morning and saw that he is coming back. I thought it was all a smoke screen.

Positives - light years ahead of BD on running a program; high character; known commodity; casual fan base associates him with winning FB at Uconn; current AAC schools are no better than when he had Uconn winning in the BE; at Uconn could coach up and motivate under the radar kids into stars

Negatives - he royally messed up at MD and had a staff that could not produce winning game plans on both sides of the ball; if MD was his dream job/trophy wife, what is Uconn except a chance to get back in the game again; 8 win ceiling; not a dynamic recruiter; builder, not an instantaneous charge type of coach

My biggest concern is if he still has the fire in his belly and if the success is not there by the end of season 2, what happens in season 3?

Bottom line, Randy knows every game counts, that you need to prepare and coach to win every game and that your opponents are never, ever your partners. Players will run thru walls for him. And he leaves making cakes to pastry chefs.
 
06029 said:
Randy is a good coach and a better person. I was shocked when I popped open this board after my meetings this morning and saw that he is coming back. I thought it was all a smoke screen.

Positives - light years ahead of BD on running a program; high character; known commodity; casual fan base associates him with winning FB at Uconn; current AAC schools are no better than when he had Uconn winning in the BE; at Uconn could coach up and motivate under the radar kids into stars

Negatives - he royally messed up at MD and had a staff that could not produce winning game plans on both sides of the ball; if MD was his dream job/trophy wife, what is Uconn except a chance to get back in the game again; 8 win ceiling; not a dynamic recruiter; builder, not an instantaneous charge type of coach

My biggest concern is if he still has the fire in his belly and if the success is not there by the end of season 2, what happens in season 3?

Bottom line, Randy knows every game counts, that you need to prepare and coach to win every game and that your opponents are never, ever your partners. Players will run thru walls for him. And he leaves making cakes to pastry chefs.
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Given what you posted the other day on David Benedict having "someone" special as the target ...

I am going to assume that he tried and did not get too far. The $$ that he raised on the buyout specified that route and/or Edsall ... and our budget/resources made Edsall the logic.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Haven't seen your thoughts anywhere else? Care to elaborate? Figured you'd be cautiously optimistic with regards to Randy.
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I loved Randy round 1.

I think the circumstances are a lot different this go around.

Since DB was so bold with Diaco I thought he might be making a surprise splash.

I see how we got here though and I'm ok with it. There is just risk here and I don't see how this energizes the casual fan.
 
Padutch5 said:
We are officially confirmed as the laughing stock of college football.
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So we bring back a coach who pit this program on the map and that makes us a laughingstock? Really?

Look, I'm not sold and as others have said, I'm cautiously optomistic. However, I can't buy in to the thought that bringing back Randy is a laughingstock moment for this program after the last 6 years of ineptitude.
 
Pudge said:
Given what you posted the other day on David Benedict having "someone" special as the target ...

I am going to assume that he tried and did not get too far. The $$ that he raised on the buyout specified that route and/or Edsall ... and our budget/resources made Edsall the logic.
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Solely my personal speculation on this -

He knew Edsall was 100% available on would take the gig when Diaco was fired. But I think he had someone else as a first choice. That name will probably never become public but I believe it was one of the big names mentioned on this board.

Edsall will produce a bowl team next year and every year thereafter. Not sure if he gets Uconn back to division contender. His BE championship season had everything break his way.
 
whaler11 said:
I loved Randy round 1.

I think the circumstances are a lot different this go around.

Since DB was so bold with Diaco I thought he might be making a surprise splash.

I see how we got here though and I'm ok with it. There is just risk here and I don't see how this energizes the casual fan.
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The hire doesn't. The W's will.

this is about money I think. Fleck or Miles aren't coming here, and not for a mil either. I think Randy wants to show he is contrite and wants UConn be winners. We used to be winners. Stadium looked full. I would go to every game thinking we could win, except vs WVA. Last few years I went to the games thinking can we be close, and the answer was no.

I can't wait for the posts about traffic getting out of games next year.
 
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whaler11 said:
I loved Randy round 1.

I think the circumstances are a lot different this go around.

Since DB was so bold with Diaco I thought he might be making a surprise splash.

I see how we got here though and I'm ok with it. There is just risk here and I don't see how this energizes the casual fan.
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Randy certainly isn't the rah rah type to give a jolt to the fanbase, but as we found out with Diaco, that wears thin very quickly.

I think a lot of us were clamoring for Moorhead (insert joke) but that didn't seem to be in the cards.

I also don't think Fleck or Miles were realistic candidates either.

That either leaves you with the up and comers (JMU, ODU) or the "retreads" Schiano, Golden, and Randy.

At that point, it makes sense that they went with the guy who built the program and you know can build a foundation. The unknowns may have a better ceiling but if they crash and burn you may as well shut the whole thing down.

I don't know how quickly Randy will win here again to the extent he did in the Big East but I feel confident that we'll play hard, be coached well, return kicks and punts and not screw up the clock and timeouts this fall. By year 3 though, I'm confident we will be contending for the AAC Eastern division.
 
businesslawyer said:
We haven't cruised to a victory over our FBS opponent since -- I'm struggling to remember. P's first year maybe?
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UCF last year, but that was an 0-12 team. Guess that still technically counts.

UCFBfan said:
So we bring back a coach who pit this program on the map and that makes us a laughingstock? Really?

Look, I'm not sold and as others have said, I'm cautiously optimistic. However, I can't buy in to the thought that bringing back Randy is a laughingstock moment for this program after the last 6 years of ineptitude.
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This is about where I'm at too. Bringing him back could be what the program needs now - someone who had some proven success here. Get us back to respectability. Maybe we'll even see him bring in former players as assistants a la Calhoun & KO.
 
Loved him while he was here. Skeptical he'll step in and recapture the magic but have to hope for the best at this point.
 
I was really hoping it would be someone different, get someone on the offensive side of the ball, etc.

I railed against (F)HCRE when he left for how he left, kind of a lebron type love/hate - all while wholeheartedly admitting I was bummed when he left. I would venture to say most of this board was bummed about him actually leaving for greener pastures and we were left wandering.

So with that, I'll join the apologista bandwagon on three conditions:

1.) He has figured out how to remove the so called ceiling he reached at UConn - and states exactly how he plans to execute that vision (i.e. allowing your oc to open up his offense, such as Moorhead)
2.) He apologizes on Friday for how he departed, more so than his comment today in the Courant
3.) Jordan Todman gives his blessing. (Why? See #1, and along with that, him making Todman tell the locker room he was leaving for the NFL after the bowl game)

We are well aware of Edsall's ability to recruit and coach up under the radar kids, and I know we are not in the B1G or ACC, but I hope Edsall can recruit up to the level he did while he was at MD. He actually had some really solid classes at least based on stars (I know, I know, rigged system and all), so perhaps we'll get an upgrade in the 2.0 version.
 
huskysupporter said:
I have zero problem with his approach to players. I follow Maryland closely (went there for 2 years). Coach Edsall entered a tough situation there. Friedgen let players do what they wanted. Locker room didn't like being held accountable. Enter Coach Edsall. Players whined, many left, some kicked off team, and others, led by QB Danny O'Brien were very vocal. (He transferred to Wisconsin and played horrendously). We need him to have same tough approach holding players accountable on and off the field.

What I am hoping for is a kinder and gentler Randy to media and local coaches.
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I'm not sure he was ever unkind to local coaches. The coaches who didn't like him were coaches who were used to sending I-AA players to UCOnn and didn't like that Edsall would no longer take the same quality player. Not sure being nicer to them in the conversation was going to change their disapproval.

EVen today, we've heard from coaches who loved the staff's openness to the high school coaching community.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Randy certainly isn't the rah rah type to give a jolt to the fanbase, but as we found out with Diaco, that wears thin very quickly.

I think a lot of us were clamoring for Moorhead (insert joke) but that didn't seem to be in the cards.

I also don't think Fleck or Miles were realistic candidates either.

That either leaves you with the up and comers (JMU, ODU) or the "retreads" Schiano, Golden, and Randy.

At that point, it makes sense that they went with the guy who built the program and you know can build a foundation. The unknowns may have a better ceiling but if they crash and burn you may as well shut the whole thing down.

I don't know how quickly Randy will win here again to the extent he did in the Big East but I feel confident that we'll play hard, be coached well, return kicks and punts and not screw up the clock and timeouts this fall. By year 3 though, I'm confident we will be contending for the AAC Eastern division.
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Don't think for one second that crashing and burning is not a distinct possibility here . . .
 
businesslawyer said:
I'm not sure he was ever unkind to local coaches. The coaches who didn't like him were coaches who were used to sending I-AA players to UCOnn and didn't like that Edsall would no longer take the same quality player. Not sure being nicer to them in the conversation was going to change their disapproval.

EVen today, we've heard from coaches who loved the staff's openness to the high school coaching community.
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This is exactly right. We shouldn't let a bunch clowns from the god forsaken Naugatuck Valley hijack the program. We already tried that.
 
Excalibur said:
Don't think for one second that crashing and burning is not a distinct possibility here . . .
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I'm sure it is, just like with any hire.

Given what we know of Edsall I think he is the best bet to not fail given our presumed candidates.
 
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