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Message: [QUOTE="Hankster, post: 2592119, member: 906"] I can relate since I have been watching since Toby. Also, in the service during your time, 1969-1996. So I missed a few games not as much as you would. Anyway, nice post. Maybe one problem is overlooked. Maybe the problem is/was Ollie being friends with his players rather than coaching them. During the JC years you could see he had no friends, he made players. Now don't get me wrong he loved his players. He had no problem getting in their face and giving them a huge hug after the season. Emotional Senior Night. That is why the players respected them. When a player got the hook, he knew why. A new player might wonder why Coach smiled at him and patted him on the shoulder during a practice but game time he saw Coach storming out to the foul line with foam in his mouth screaming .They feared JC, which brought respect. It is just my opinion. [/QUOTE]