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AP Top 25 Week 3

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In the Coaches poll are the Coaches tht have a vote allowed to vote for their team?
 
The voting is interesting on the dissenting voters.

The lone UCLA vote was from Alex Simon who works for SF Gate

The 3 SC votes are the two consistent SC voters of Joe Vozzelli from the News Gazzette (Central Illinois area)
Mitch Northam from WUNC (Carolina area and we all know about these fans eh Triad?)
And now Khristina Williams from IHeartRadio.

Interestingly was Brenda Van Lengen who called the Duke-WVU game on Friday and has a vote. She dropped Duke all the way to 25, inserted WVU in at 20 but then inexplicably only had Michigan at #14.

As I noted in my observation thread on the General Board, sometimes bad perceptions lead to continued bad perceptions. Duke was over rated at #8 early on, lost to Baylor (who got a bump) and they have played no one since but because they got a lot of credit by beating an over rated Duke team they stay in the top 10. NC State beat Tennessee (who we now know is not nearly as good as expected) but then lost to USC (who got a huge bump) due to the perceived quality of the Tennessee win by NC State. Now TCU got a huge bump by beating NC State, who probably is not as good as that Tennessee win initially indicated. Now Michigan beat ND badly so they move up 8 spots. While I do think Michigan is good, beating a mediocre ND team should not have been the factor. ND is still over rated. So now SCar beat USC and they add a #1 vote based on the perception USC was good because they beat a mediocre NC State team? Not logical in my view but what do I know.

Bottom line is the season is still too early to get a good read on all the teams, especially Texas and LSU who have played "Baker City" (cupcakes) at home. UCLA looks legitimate as at least they have played 2 good teams (OK and UNC) with Texas coming up on Nov 26 followed by Tenn on Nov 30.

UConn has Mich on Friday then a gap in quality until USC on Dec 13.

How good are USC and ND? Well they play each other Friday night so.....
 
Michigan jumps 8 slots for beating a team that would lose to Ohio State in my opinion. They are not the same team as last years with the loss of Olivia Miles, who was rated by CBSSports the #2 player in the transfer portal. They also lost 6'5" center Kate Koval and two other players Kylee Watson and Emma Risch.
 
Ok so how does Duke fall out of the top 25 and ND stay in after the beating they took? IMO, if one falls out, both should.

I could argue for Duke that the drama and small arena partisan crowd had more to do with their big loss and ND just got an old fashioned beat down.
 
MSGRET said:
The only way that UConn becomes a unaminous #1 is that they win every game. You will always have someone that will not vote for UConn.
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Last week, the Gamecocks had two first placed votes. This week it jumped to three for the Gamecocks and one for the Bruins. We're losing ground, of course we know right now it is meaningless. It's also ultimately meaningless as far as the tournament is concerned as the AP or coaches polls have no bearing on seeding.
 
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Jaml said:
Last week, the Gamecocks had two first placed votes. This week it jumped to three for the Gamecocks and one for the Bruins. We're losing ground, of course we know right now it is meaningless. It's also ultimately meaningless as far as the tournament is concerned as the AP or coaches polls have no bearing on seeding.
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Yep. Just win, baby. 😎
 
DEpup said:
Ok so how does Duke fall out of the top 25 and ND stay in after the beating they took? IMO, if one falls out, both should.

I could argue for Duke that the drama and small arena partisan crowd had more to do with their big loss and ND just got an old fashioned beat down.
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Duke has 2 losses. 1 to an unranked team. ND has 1 loss to a ranked team
 
Cuango said:
How could West Virginia beat Duke (with 5 players at the end) and not move up even one spot? That was a big (shocking even) win over a ranked team.
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WV was 4th is 'receiving votes' with 15 for week 2 so you could say they rose from 29th to so they moved up 6 spots in week 3, while Duke has proven early on to be not very good moving from 7th to 16th to 26th from preseason to week 3 (unranked.) So that win wasn't that 'good' in the scheme of things and the rest of their wins are nothing to write home about.

As for Michigan. their win against ND probably doesn't deserve quite such a jump this early in the season - but then there haven't been that many good competitive match-ups for many of the top 25 yet so the ranks remain based largely on impressions of team rosters than actual results. If Michigan loses Friday and ND gets blown away by USC that Michigan win will look less impressive.
 
Cuango said:
How could West Virginia beat Duke (with 5 players at the end) and not move up even one spot? That was a big (shocking even) win over a ranked team.
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The "-" is misleading. There it refers to a team that wasn't ranked last week so there's no last-week-comparison.

WV received 15 votes last week and 126 this week. With 32 voters, the average voter moved them up 3.5 places.
 
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Maybe the people who vote aren't watching the games because our games are now on weird channels or streaming only? I don't see how anyone that is actually watching the games can think there's a better team than UConn right now even if it is still early in the season.
 
This stuff always reminds me of, "garbage in garbage out". If the data to start with is nonsense, then all data associated with the bad data is nonsense, isn't it, like a bacterial infection.
So, how in this world is Notre Dame ranked so high initially?? Same question, but the opposite, for WVU.
UConn not unanimous #1. What possible way is SC better than UConn. They lost by 30 twice. They lost a serious talent in the portal. And UConn retooled in epic proportion. The UCLA game in the Final 4 lasted 3 minutes. 2 steals and coast to coast layups. Betts is hard to watch. What is she capable of doing at the high post? As soon as she gets it there, play tough 1-on-1 D and run to your man, taking away her weak passes. She can't do anything. Ugh. First place vote. How?
It reminds me not to look at polls. Thank you. That will be time I can spend doing other stuff.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
Maybe the people who vote aren't watching the games because our games are now on weird channels or streaming only? I don't see how anyone that is actually watching the games can think there's a better team than UConn right now even if it is still early in the season.
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The AP voters have all the necessary streaming services I'm sure.
 
Jaml said:
West Virginia was unranked last week.
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Yeah, I realized that after I posted. I guess they don’t have any kind of marker when unranked teams jump into the rankings? Anyway, goad to see they did get some recognition for their big win.
 
There were four AP voters who did not vote UConn as the top team this week:

Alex Simon (San Francisco Gate) - had UConn first in the Preseason and Week 1. He switched UConn and UCLA (third in the first two polls) and kept South Carolina second.

Joe Vozzelli (News-Gazzette of central Illinois) - kept UConn at #2 behind South Carolina.

Khristina Williams (IHeartRadio, based out of New York) - switched UConn and South Carolina this week from what she voted in the Preseason and Week 1, moving the Huskies to second.

Mitchell Northam (WUNC - based out of the NC Triangle area) - kept South Carolina first, but changed his vote from his first two submissions elevating UCLA from fourth to second, and dropping UConn from second to third.
 
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A number of people have mentioned Texas’ schedule. Texas did play Richmond, a top 50 team predicted, I think, to win the Atlantic 10. Texas won by 29 points. This coming week, the Horns play James Madison, another respectable mid-major. Yes, those are both home games. Texas played on those teams’ home courts last season. Anyway, not the same as Incarnate Word or Texas Southern. Still, I am concerned UCLA could be a shock, particularly to the younger players.
 
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