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POY Wilson. Wilson, Collier, and Thomas unanimous 1st team. Others on the 1st team were A. Gray and K. Mitchell.

2nd team consisted of Paige, Sabrina, Nneka, Plum, and Young.

Paige was the ROY. Others on 1st team were Citron, Iriafen, Salaun, Lacan, and Malonga. Half of them are French.

Other awards:

DPOY Wilson

COY Nakase

Comeback Austin

Improved Burton

6th Player Hillmon

apnews.com

A'ja Wilson's incredible season earns her a second straight AP Player of the Year award

A’ja Wilson followed up a historic season with another incredible one to earn AP Player of the Year for the second straight time.
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This is about what I expected. Would have loved 1st team, but no way with her lousy Wings.
 

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This was, for the most part, a well thought out and interesting read... after reading it the decision by the writer to lean to Collier over Wilson leads me to believe there are, indeed, those who'll vote for Naphesa even though the weight of writer's argument leaned to A'ja.

That'd be too bad because the fact that Napheesa's a fine person and she's a former UConn player, I fail to see how her value to the Lynx measured up this season to Wilson's value to the Aces.

Oh, well. We'll see.
 
The deacon said:
I fail to see how her value to the Lynx measured up this season to Wilson's value to the Aces.
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It’s really quite simple: While the Lynx were great without Napheesa on the floor, they were significantly better when she was. Their net rating was close to doubling and their offensive & defensive rating were much better with her.

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darrell said:
It’s really quite simple: While the Lynx were great without Napheesa on the floor, they were significantly better when she was. Their net rating was close to doubling and their offensive & defensive rating were much better with her.

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And ONLY the second player to EVER get to the 50/40/90 plateau besides EDD. Pheesa got hosed by their selection of a player who routinely gets double digit points at the line while refs ignore her constant setting of moving screens. I can't stand the enormous favoritism she gets from the refs. Sour grapes on my part? Well yeah.
 
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MilfordHusky said:
POY Wilson. Wilson, Collier, and Thomas unanimous 1st team. Others on the 1st team were A. Gray and K. Mitchell.

2nd team consisted of Paige, Sabrina, Nneka, Plum, and Young.

Paige was the ROY. Others on 1st team were Citron, Iriafen, Salaun, Lacan, and Malonga. Half of them are French.

Other awards:

DPOY Wilson

COY Nakase

Comeback Austin

Improved Burton

6th Player Hillmon

apnews.com

A'ja Wilson's incredible season earns her a second straight AP Player of the Year award

A’ja Wilson followed up a historic season with another incredible one to earn AP Player of the Year for the second straight time.
apnews.com apnews.com
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Kelsey Mitchell is a great scorer, but she's a guard with an A:TO ratio under 2:1, and she's not a great defender. I think Paige, Jackie, or Sab should have replaced her on the first team, and Veronica Burton should replace Plum on the second team. I'm glad, at least, that VB was recognized with the MIP award. Just my hot take. :)
 
Jonathan14 said:
Kelsey Mitchell is a great scorer, but she's a guard with an A:TO ratio under 2:1, and she's not a great defender. I think Paige, Jackie, or Sab should have replaced her on the first team, and Veronica Burton should replace Plum on the second team. I'm glad, at least, that VB was recognized with the MIP award. Just my hot take. :)
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Her A/TO ratio is 1.92.

Paige had a great year but was on the worst team in the league, and she is not a great defender either.
Sabrina's only shooting 40.1% from the season and 29.9% from 3. Also not a great defender.
Young's had a very good season but isn't a go to player like Mitchell.

Mitchell carried Indy to the playoffs despite very inconsistent PG play and enduring an unbelievable number of season ending injuries. She deserves the last spot on 1st Team.
 
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The deacon said:
This was, for the most part, a well thought out and interesting read... after reading it the decision by the writer to lean to Collier over Wilson leads me to believe there are, indeed, those who'll vote for Naphesa even though the weight of writer's argument leaned to A'ja.

That'd be too bad because the fact that Napheesa's a fine person and she's a former UConn player, I fail to see how her value to the Lynx measured up this season to Wilson's value to the Aces.

Oh, well. We'll see.
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‘A’ja deserves it, but I really like the story of voting for Collier.’

That’s essentially what I’ve said the decision will be for a month.
 
darrell said:
It’s really quite simple: While the Lynx were great without Napheesa on the floor, they were significantly better when she was. Their net rating was close to doubling and their offensive & defensive rating were much better with her.

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It really is quite simple - he didn’t say the Lynx are better without Collier. That would be silly.

He said her relatively slight on/off +7.42 is dwarfed by A’ja’s +26.9.

I get it. We are hosted by a UConn board, so many of you want a UConn player to be MVP. That’s fine. Just say that. Sometimes fans aren’t rational. It’s part of sports.

I’m a Gamecock fan. When there eventually comes a time A’ja doesn’t deserve MVP, but is still in the conversation, I’ll likely still want her to win. Especially since they already gave one of hers to another Husky.
 
darrell said:
It’s really quite simple: While the Lynx were great without Napheesa on the floor, they were significantly better when she was. Their net rating was close to doubling and their offensive & defensive rating were much better with her.

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Now do A'ja...


...I'm genuinely curious. I love, love, love Phee, but my instinct tells me A'ja is more critical to the Aces than Phee is to the Lynx.
 
JstVisiting said:
I get it. We are hosted by a UConn board, so many of you want a UConn player to be MVP. That’s fine. Just say that. Sometimes fans aren’t rational. It’s part of sports.

I’m a Gamecock fan. When there eventually comes a time A’ja doesn’t deserve MVP, but is still in the conversation, I’ll likely still want her to win. Especially since they already gave one of hers to another Husky.
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What are you referring to in the last statement? "One of hers"?
 
TheFarmFan said:
Now do A'ja...


...I'm genuinely curious. I love, love, love Phee, but my instinct tells me A'ja is more critical to the Aces than Phee is to the Lynx.
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Of course she is, but because Phee’s team is led by a sensible GM and a Coach who doesn’t give her the highest USG% in the league, that should go against her case for MVP?
 
JstVisiting said:
It really is quite simple - he didn’t say the Lynx are better without Collier. That would be silly.

He said her relatively slight on/off +7.42 is dwarfed by A’ja’s +26.9.

I get it. We are hosted by a UConn board, so many of you want a UConn player to be MVP. That’s fine. Just say that. Sometimes fans aren’t rational. It’s part of sports.

I’m a Gamecock fan. When there eventually comes a time A’ja doesn’t deserve MVP, but is still in the conversation, I’ll likely still want her to win. Especially since they already gave one of hers to another Husky.
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Lest we forget that the Aces, statistically, were better with A’ja off the floor last year, but she was still a unanimous pick for MVP.

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Meanwhile this was Napheesa Collier a season ago, who received not one first-place vote.

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www.sbnation.com

WNBA Most Valuable Player: SB Nation picks between A’ja Wilson, Napheesa Collier, Alyssa Thomas

How we ranked the WNBA’s three leading MVP candidates in our official ballot.
www.sbnation.com www.sbnation.com

An interesting article from a writer with a vote outlining their reasoning behind their vote. The one thing they note which I don't know gets enough attention is that this was a heck of a special season. The fact that the MVP debate continues to go on in threads like this, further confirms this.
 
Does Collier make 50/40/90 if she plays 44 games versus 33 games ? It literally took the last game to get there , so it may seem to some voters she stat padded to ensure she could meet the feat while still missing 1/4 of the season.
 
WFFL said:
Does Collier make 50/40/90 if she plays 44 games versus 33 games ? It literally took the last game to get there , so it may seem to some voters she stat padded to ensure she could meet the feat while still missing 1/4 of the season.
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I don't think stat padding really works well for percentages. 50/40/90 is a heck of a feat regardless of if it's 33 or 44 games, but I also feel like 50/40/90 is a rather arbitrary statistic people are clinging to in order to make a sales pitch for Collier when in reality A'ja's shooting splits are right there.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I can't really believe that MVP voting could come down to FT shooting%. Really?
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A'ja is 1st in points, 1st in rebounds, 1st in blocks, and tied for 2nd in steals (all per game averages).
Phee is 2nd in points, 12th in rebounds, tied for 4th in blocks, and tied for 2nd in steals.

Those stats seem more relevant to me than free throw percentage, but what to do I know.
 
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TheFarmFan said:
A'ja is 1st in points, 1st in rebounds, 1st in blocks, and tied for 2nd in steals (all per game averages).
Phee is 2nd in points, 12th in rebounds, tied for 4th in blocks, and tied for 2nd in steals.

Those stats seem more relevant to me than free throw percentage, but what to do I know.
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dont forget about win shares , the media/ESPN has crowned phee the winner all season long even before the season began they had their choice of a winner and i think they are going to stick with it because they are tired of Aja winning. There's no doubt Aja is the best player in the world not Napheesa .
 
bballnut90 said:
I don't think stat padding really works well for percentages. 50/40/90 is a heck of a feat regardless of if it's 33 or 44 games, but I also feel like 50/40/90 is a rather arbitrary statistic people are clinging to in order to make a sales pitch for Collier when in reality A'ja's shooting splits are right there.
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Delle Donne shot 50/40/90 while playing all 34 games that season . I can't compare a player missing 11 games and making the 50/40/90 club in the very last game of the season as the same .
 
TheFarmFan said:
A'ja is 1st in points, 1st in rebounds, 1st in blocks, and tied for 2nd in steals (all per game averages).
Phee is 2nd in points, 12th in rebounds, tied for 4th in blocks, and tied for 2nd in steals.

Those stats seem more relevant to me than free throw percentage, but what to do I know.
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I'm a bit puzzled by your inclusion of steals. If in fact that stat is so important, Phee is slightly ahead of A'ja on steals per game (3rd and 4th, not 2nd). Funny you'd choose to include steals but not assists, or turnovers, or A/TO ratio... but what do I know.

Also, not sure rebounds and blocks are fair apples to apples comparators since A'ja is a true 5 and Phee is not.

I'm not in the camp that says FT% or 50-40-90 should decide it. I have a bigger issue with the fact that for half a season the Aces and A'ja were both unremarkable and underachieving. But no disputing that she and her team have turned it around and are on fire lately, and recency counts for a lot in these things. Also no doubt the fact that Phee missed more games than A'ja works against her as well.
 
Plebe said:
I'm a bit puzzled by your inclusion of steals. If in fact that stat is so important, Phee is slightly ahead of A'ja on steals per game (3rd and 4th, not 2nd). Funny you'd choose to include steals but not assists, or turnovers, or A/TO ratio... but what do I know.

Also, not sure rebounds and blocks are fair apples to apples comparators since A'ja is a true 5 and Phee is not.

I'm not in the camp that says FT% or 50-40-90 should decide it. I have a bigger issue with the fact that for half a season the Aces and A'ja were both unremarkable and underachieving. But no disputing that she and her team have turned it around and are on fire lately, and recency counts for a lot in these things. Also no doubt the fact that Phee missed more games than A'ja works against her as well.
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No nefarious motives here, bud. ESPN's WNBA lead statistics page for players doesn't show turnovers or A/TO, and neither Phee nor A'ja were anywhere in the top anything in assists to be worth reporting. And I'm confused by the link you sent, because both Phee and A'ja are listed at 1.6 steals per game, so I'm not sure what I got wrong there (1.6 = 1.6?), and again, per ESPN, they excluded Lacan for not playing enough games.

But man, gotta say, with no horse in this race, some of the Phee Phans are awfully salty about any arguments that don't favor her, which is weird to me - they both have great cases after having amazing seasons. I get that it's a homer board, but let's not lose complete sight of objectivity...

Edited to add: this site has even better stats. A few other notable stats: A'ja is also #1 in player efficiency rating, total win shares, offensive win shares, defensive win shares, and defensive rating, and #6 in offensive rating. Phee is #2, #2, #2, #5, #3, and #2 respectively. (As an aside, I was delighted to see my girl VB is 8th in win shares.)
 
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