Anyone still think FSU and Clemson are staying in the ACC?

[Murph]

Is it out of the realm of possibility that if FSU and Clemson do indeed leave that the ACC might just stay at 12? Is 12 now too small to be one of the 'cool' conferences, B1G not withstanding?


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[ConnHuskBask]

Is it out of the realm of possibility that if FSU and Clemson do indeed leave that the ACC might just stay at 12? Is 12 now too small to be one of the 'cool' conferences, B1G not withstanding?

I have the same concern myself.

Not to be Conspiracy Kitty about it but I think:

1. ESPN knew there a was good shot of FSU/Clemson leaving.
2. ESPN's tv deal was under market for a 14 team league including FSU/Clemson.
3. ESPN's tv deal would be just about right for a 14 team that then substituted Rutgers and UConn.
4. Assuming UConn/Rutgers leave, I would imagine the BE Catholics separate from the football cluster f.
5. The only remaining valuable BE Football programs would be Louisville, Cincy and USF.
6. ESPN could still bid on BE Hoops with say a Xavier, St. Joes, Butler, etc. added.
7. BE Football would be reduced to literally C-USA and NBC Sports could have that if they wanted it.

Time for me to take off the tin foil hat.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Anyone still prefer UConn and Rutgers to the ACC and not the B1G?

Who ever prefered the ACC to the B1G? I just prefer it to the NBE catastrophe.

 

[Sky ball]

I'd prefer that UConn join the NFC East they get great TV money... it's about as likely as the Big 10, so why not go all in.

No Chance - No Olympic Sports, Men or Women. I mean come on - NFC East Womens Basketball Champion? Wait a minute - NFC East/Hockey East - Yes a step up in Hockey!

 

[John Greene]

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[Adios]

Who ever prefered the ACC to the B1G? I just prefer it to the NBE catastrophe.

Didn't Boise State win as many BCS bowls as the entire ACC????

 

[Danzz]

I think the ax fell today on the ACC's chances of keeping FSU and Clemson. I also think the Big 12 will go to 14, and Pitt and Vtech will be the next 2, with an outside shot at Louisville.

I think they stay in the ACC. FSU can't figure out where the $ will come from to exit.

 

[junglehusky]

If their big time boosters are the ones clamoring to go to the B12, and their boosters can't raise the 20 million, they are a bunch of dinguses.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think they stay in the ACC. FSU can't figure out where the $ will come from to exit.

FSU really can't afford to stay.

The bigger potential obstacle to realignment that has developed over the weekend is Notre Dame. Notre Dame is apparently flirting with the Big 12. This could bring all realignment to a screeching halt, which is exactly what Notre Dame wants. I could also see FSU's pro-ACC faction using the fact that FSU is being backburnered for ND as ammo to stay in the ACC.

Notre Dame has no intention of joining a league, and every fan in college football, or anyone that has ever read a ND AD's comments, knows that, but it appears that the Big 12 office may not be aware. Notre Dame is going to try to waste everyone's time for 6 months until this has died down. It is up to the Big 12 whether ND is going to be successful.

 

[freescooter]

I tend to agree with you, nelson, aty least as far as Notre Dame wanting to slow/stop the momentum. They have no desire to join any conference, let alone the Big 12. I think they'd rather disband their football program than play in a league with Iowa State and West Virginia...but their huge fear is that they won't have a home for their other sports, particularly basketball. If the UCONN and Louisville and others leave the Big East, what is really left? they have no interest in playing in a CYO league. I suppose they will in the short term but if they screw this up, they could convievably be left on an island with no option, or playing basketball and other sports in the A-10.

 

[The Viking]

I think they stay in the ACC. FSU can't figure out where the $ will come from to exit.

Didn't the Big 12 pay a portion of WV's exit fee and loan some additional money to them? If FSU really wants out and the Big 12 really wants them in it will happen.

 

[businesslawyer]

FSU really can't afford to stay.

The bigger potential obstacle to realignment that has developed over the weekend is Notre Dame. Notre Dame is apparently flirting with the Big 12. This could bring all realignment to a screeching halt, which is exactly what Notre Dame wants. I could also see FSU's pro-ACC faction using the fact that FSU is being backburnered for ND as ammo to stay in the ACC.

Notre Dame has no intention of joining a league, and every fan in college football, or anyone that has ever read a ND AD's comments, knows that, but it appears that the Big 12 office may not be aware. Notre Dame is going to try to waste everyone's time for 6 months until this has died down. It is up to the Big 12 whether ND is going to be successful.

That ND would stall the process just for the point of stalling it makes no sense. It doesn't make them anything but enemies, and in a world where they actually are staying independent and need help from the big boys in terms of scheduling and championship access, that strategy would be insane and there is no reason to think the Irish will be insane.

Yes, ND wants to stay independent, but it isn't hard to see the day coming that they just can't. And, while they can always join a conference, the question they are facing today is do we wait until everything else has played out and we join a conference but that's the last move in the game, versus do we talk to the Big Ten and ACC and negotiation coming in with the other teams we want to come in with us and shape the conference in which we land. The smart move is the latter, if they think they can get there without being thrown out by their alum.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Didn't Boise State win as many BCS bowls as the entire ACC????

Who cares? It's a crappy university and has lousy programs besides football. It is unlikely that they can continue this brief success.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

That ND would stall the process just for the point of stalling it makes no sense. It doesn't make them anything but enemies, and in a world where they actually are staying independent and need help from the big boys in terms of scheduling and championship access, that strategy would be insane and there is no reason to think the Irish will be insane.

Yes, ND wants to stay independent, but it isn't hard to see the day coming that they just can't. And, while they can always join a conference, the question they are facing today is do we wait until everything else has played out and we join a conference but that's the last move in the game, versus do we talk to the Big Ten and ACC and negotiation coming in with the other teams we want to come in with us and shape the conference in which we land. The smart move is the latter, if they think they can get there without being thrown out by their alum.

They don't worry about making enemies because Notre Dame has behaved like this for decades and there have been no consequences, and nothing on the horizon is forcing Notre Dame to join a conference. They could shift their non-football sports to the ACC in a heartbeat if they wanted to. Furthermore, if you look down the line, the playoff will be 8 or 16 teams within 5-10 years, and Notre Dame has to love their odds of being a perennial playoff team in that format, even as an independent.

Notre Dame is the hot girl in high school that gets other guys to do her homework for her. Deep down, the guys all know they have almost no chance with her, but even a glimmer of hope is enough for them to act like complete idiots. All ND needs is 2-3 teams in the Big 12 willing to put up with their BS and they can derail the whole process.

 

[Jericho]

I really can't take the Notre Dame to the Big 12 talk seriously. Am I honestly supposed to believe the Domers would pass on the Big 10 and voluntarily join with schools like West Virginia and Iowa State? And for what reason? Spite. The Big 10 offers them all they want and are a geographic fit. Unless Notre Dame wants their own network, although how much that is really worth is questionable.

I agree that the smart move is to negotiate on their own terms, and the ACC would make the most sense culturally (littered with private schools, east cost base, strong academics, even contains traditional rivals) but my money would still be on the Big 10.

 

[businesslawyer]

I really can't take the Notre Dame to the Big 12 talk seriously. Am I honestly supposed to believe the Domers would pass on the Big 10 and voluntarily join with schools like West Virginia and Iowa State? And for what reason? Spite. The Big 10 offers them all they want and are a geographic fit. Unless Notre Dame wants their own network, although how much that is really worth is questionable.

I agree that the smart move is to negotiate on their own terms, and the ACC would make the most sense culturally (littered with private schools, east cost base, strong academics, even contains traditional rivals) but my money would still be on the Big 10.

I am sure there is talking going on with both the ACC and the Big Ten. Those are the only two options, and if they're talking to the XII it's either without football or to increase their leverage with the ACC and/or Ten.

Waylon -- you really think that your certainty that the playoffs will quickly grow to 8 or 16 is something the Irish are willing to stake their program on? With all due respect, one would be nuts to make a multi-million dollar decision just because you (or I for that matter) are sure about something that no one in college athletics is actively pursuing at the moment.

 

[zls44]

Can you imagine the buyouts/renegotiating that ND would have to do if/when they join a conference for their future scheduled games? That's a LOT of contracts they'd be breaking.

 

[Jericho]

Can you imagine the buyouts/renegotiating that ND would have to do if/when they join a conference for their future scheduled games? That's a LOT of contracts they'd be breaking.

Depends on who they join, but I'd think you might be able to do some sort phase in to minimize problems. Not to mention, anyone who breaks a contract has to mitigate their damages. Cancelling games 3 years out shouldn't be too bad.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I am sure there is talking going on with both the ACC and the Big Ten. Those are the only two options, and if they're talking to the XII it's either without football or to increase their leverage with the ACC and/or Ten.

Waylon -- you really think that your certainty that the playoffs will quickly grow to 8 or 16 is something the Irish are willing to stake their program on? With all due respect, one would be nuts to make a multi-million dollar decision just because you (or I for that matter) are sure about something that no one in college athletics is actively pursuing at the moment.

I think an AD/President would be nuts to make a multi-million dollar decision based on the current proposed playoff model. There is no way that will survive. Notre Dame would be furious if they signed a 13 year GOR and then 3 years from now the playoff was expanded to 8 or 16. Notre Dame will make sure that Notre Dame always has options.

There is no way the Irish join a league for football.

 

[Vowelguy]

Sorry to say, gotta agree with Nelson here.

ND wants to slow the process, and if they can feign serious interest in all their suitors it can work. Or along the way, they could possibly end up with an offer too good to refuse (though it would have to be amazing).

The B12's only chip to play is to offer ND special allowances that TX got, only better. That's the sole reason the Irish would consider them.

I'm also not convinced that ND is super worried about finding a home for their non-FB sports. They'll always have the BE Catholics and/or the A-10, if not others.