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I can't believe that the coaches are encouraging this move. Perhaps its me, but I have never seen so many instances where a player has a shot and pump fakes.

I actually would like to see @tcf15 make a music video using these clips as a dance step.

Seriously though, are they scared to shoot or is their a purpose (e.g. designed play) behind this.
 
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Kitaman said:
I can't believe that the coaches are encouraging this move. Perhaps its me, but I have never seen so many instances where a player has a shot and pump fakes.

I actually would like to see tcf make a video using these clips as a dance step.

Seriously though, are they scared to shoot or is their a purpose (e.g. designed play) behind this.
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Looks like lunchtime pick up games at the Y.
 
Kitaman said:
I can't believe that the coaches are encouraging this move. Perhaps its me, but I have never seen so many instances where a player has a shot and pump fakes.

I actually would like to see @tcf15 make a music video using these clips as a dance step.

Seriously though, are they scared to shoot or is their a purpose (e.g. designed play) behind this.
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i think they're scared... bc they do pass up open looks by doing that all the time... im assuming no confidence and or inexperience knowing their spots on the floor and their roles
 
UConnSwag11 said:
i think they're scared... bc they do pass up open looks by doing that all the time... im assuming no confidence and or inexperience knowing their spots on the floor and their roles
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I would say they're more unsure of whether or not it's a good shot and that brief moment of not having situational awareness gives the defense enough time to recover.
 
Depends on who you're talking about. Hamilton, Boat and Purvis do it to get guys off balance and try to drive by them. Phil because......well, he's just not good on offense
 
Kitaman said:
I can't believe that the coaches are encouraging this move. Perhaps its me, but I have never seen so many instances where a player has a shot and pump fakes.

I actually would like to see @tcf15 make a music video using these clips as a dance step.

Seriously though, are they scared to shoot or is their a purpose (e.g. designed play) behind this.
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Remember Ed Nelson?
 
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We can't shoot for . I'd rather they pass up a wide open look for maybe a look at the rim, especially the way the game was being called tonight. We missed at least a half dozen wide open looks.
 
In DHam's case its a bad habit he needs to get rid of
For the others its either catching his habits or they do it out of nerves.
It is frustrating
 
gtcam said:
In DHam's case its a bad habit he needs to get rid of
For the others its either catching his habits or they do it out of nerves.
It is frustrating
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DHam does it the most it seems.
 
Hamilton's pump doesn't seem very convincing, it just kills time that he could be using to shoot and then they don't bite so he usually can't drive after it.
 
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I don't mind it early in the shot clock. It could get an opponent out of position and open up the middle. Later in the clock, if it's open, knock it down.
 
I wish Omar started using the pump fake last night.. Early on he had a couple nice plays where he pumped in the corner, drove baseline for a jumper or a floater. The way he was jacking up 3s last night I think he couldve utilized that fake and had a better chance of finding rythem on a short range jumper... Rodney had a huge play where he drove baseline and found Boat wide open.. That was a play that made our offense actually look legitimate
 
HuskyBballFan said:
For most of our guards, the reason why they pump fake so much is because they can't shoot.
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Or they can't shoot because they pump fake so much? Pump faking will throw off your timing unless you have time to re-gather yourself. By that time, the defense is already up on you and the only choice you have is pass it off or drive.
 
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Pump fakes are great, IF you can shoot and if it's not just for show. I mean you need to show it not just go through the motions like some of these guys do.

Funny thing is we also complain when guys don't use them.
 
mauconnfan said:
Pump fakes are great, IF you can shoot and if it's not just for show. I mean you need to show it not just go through the motions like some of these guys do.

Funny thing is we also complain when guys don't use them.
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Mau some of the pump faking is done when a player isn't within 5 feet certainly while open. Then the defender 'finally gets there' then they dribble then pass.

In these cases its not to draw a foul, there just seems no intent to shoot. So why pump fake is all I'm asking, it just seems to happen a lot.

For DHam its like automatic, Purvis and Omar's got the fever as well. Boat ain't pump faking nobody he's shooting, he doesn't even pump fake to drive.

Maybe its me but I'm yelling for players to catch and shoot more this season than previous. Sure they will probably miss them, but they are open shots, so its puzzling.
 
Kitaman said:
Mau some of the pump faking is done when a player isn't within 5 feet certainly while open. Then the defender 'finally gets there' then they dribble then pass.

In these cases its not to draw a foul, there just seems no intent to shoot. So why pump fake is all I'm asking, it just seems to happen a lot.

For DHam its like automatic, Purvis and Omar's got the fever as well. Boat ain't pump faking nobody he's shooting, he doesn't even pump fake to drive.

Maybe its me but I'm yelling for players to catch and shoot more this season than previous. Sure they will probably miss them, but they are open shots, so its puzzling.
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The first line is your answer. They're trying to draw the defender to the perimeter to space the defense.
 
fleudslipcon said:
The first line is your answer. They're trying to draw the defender to the perimeter to space the defense.
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Ahh . . . . . . . blind man now see. Didn't know it was designed.
 
Do you remember Sam Young on Pitt? His pump fakes were Ridiculous.
He had a unique way of doing it where he would rise onto his toes while simultaneously pump faking; the defender would bite, and he would just blow by.
 
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Kitaman said:
Ahh . . . . . . . blind man now see. Didn't know it was designed.
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Yep! From the Courant:
GREENVILLE, N.C. – It may have been the shortest halftime talk in UConn history. The Huskies, trailing by nine, were back on the floor within four minutes.

"I said enough, let's leave it at that," coach Kevin Ollie said. "And they took it and ran with it."

The Huskies were exhorted to play tougher, to stop gunning three-point shots, and Daniel Hamilton was told to stop allowing his man to get behind him.

You can get teams to guard you tight on the perimeter if you have a rep of being a great 3 pt shooter and coach hammers into your skull to play opponent tightly. Otherwise you got to be creative. It's instinctual to run out when you see the guy going up no matter how badly they shoot. Since our guys not named Ryan don't have that cred they have to resort to trickery.
 
UconnAlum04 said:
Do you remember Sam Young on Pitt? His pump fakes were Ridiculous.
He had a unique way of doing it where he would rise onto his toes while simultaneously pump faking; the defender would bite, and he would just blow by.
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Exactly, that's how you do it, Dwyane Wade is known for his very convincing pump fake too. Some guys do it so poorly its just like STOP already, no one is buying it! Roscoe Smith used to do it whenever he got the ball at the top of the key, it was like step 1 in his brain: quick pump fake, okay that did nothing.

You really need to pretend you are starting your shooting motion, in the whole body. Guys just think its putting the ball up, but that will only fool the weakest of defenders. Look at the rim, concentrate, get your legs pushing your body up, but then stop and move around, works so damn well
 
Kembacity said:
Exactly, that's how you do it, Dwyane Wade is known for his very convincing pump fake too. Some guys do it so poorly its just like STOP already, no one is buying it! Roscoe Smith used to do it whenever he got the ball at the top of the key, it was like step 1 in his brain: quick pump fake, okay that did nothing.

You really need to pretend you are starting your shooting motion, in the whole body. Guys just think its putting the ball up, but that will only fool the weakest of defenders. Look at the rim, concentrate, get your legs pushing your body up, but then stop and move around, works so damn well
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So chief has it all wrong. We don't need a big man coach we need a faking coach. A pump faking coach in particular. Would be ideal if that coach was a great recruiting coach. He could fake players into coming and when they get here teach them to fake plays.

UNC and Cuse employed it. They extended the principle to fake classes.
 
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