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Charliebball said:
Interesting article about whether Mitchell will survive as coach from a Kentucky point of view

Can Matthew Mitchell survive as UK Hoops coach?
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Nice find - pretty honest appraisal of the issues.
What seems interesting is that these transfers are happening fairly spaced out with each one appearing to be an individual decision separated by weeks or months.

The sort of organized chaos system being run with a lot of individual offense is not too dissimilar to Paul Westhead's run at all cost system, that seems to have a shelf life wherever it is instituted - it can create a certain level of success and even a championship if the players are really good, but it is really designed to disguise underlying weaknesses in a roster. And I don't think it actually develops player skills very well - so many turnovers and bad shots are just dismissed as part of the cost of running full speed all the time.
Along those lines - Sylvia at UNC and now Quentin at Syracuse are following the same kinds of mantra - shooting percentage doesn't matter, just get as many shots up as possible, or forget about the turnovers just play fast which was Sylvia's rallying cry. It can be exciting for a little while ...
 
I'll never forget Sylvia Hatchell's interview at 1/2 time vs UCONN several years ago where NoCar had 21 turnovers at the 1/2 and SH said "I don't care if we have 100 turnovers just as long as we go fast!" Spoken by a coach that has no clue!
Uconn won by over 30 points!
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
I'll never forget Sylvia Hatchell's interview at 1/2 time vs UCONN several years ago where NoCar had 21 turnovers at the 1/2 and SH said "I don't care if we have 100 turnovers just as long as we go fast!" Spoken by a coach that has no clue!
Uconn won by over 30 points!
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Oh Yea. Well Q and Syracuse didn't care how many 3Pt them miss either-same result UCONN by 30.
 
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Well I feel sorry for him. I don't think he is incompetent. He seems like a good person, deserves another chance, maybe best at another school.
 
Hoopz said:
My question would be why should he survive as UK Hoops coach? Most schools wouldn't put up with this.
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He should not survive. He might survive because there is literally not enough time to fix this problem. Kentucky WBB team has commitments to SEC that have to be met with a roster of 5 or 7 players they are going to play. Is any fair to mediocre new coach going to come in and take over this mess?
 
Hoopz said:
My question would be why should he survive as UK Hoops coach? Most schools wouldn't put up with this.
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I think the article explained why he should quite well.
 
The fact that there doesn't appear to be a single complaint against him by any player who has left is one reason why he may well survive - not just players, but family and friends aren't saying anything negative. That there is some problem within the team is obvious, and that he has not been able to fix it also seems to be clear, but unlike every other situation no one has said a word against the coach. That is as rare as the exodus itself.
 
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UcMiami said:
The fact that there doesn't appear to be a single complaint against him by any player who has left is one reason why he may well survive - not just players, but family and friends aren't saying anything negative. That there is some problem within the team is obvious, and that he has not been able to fix it also seems to be clear, but unlike every other situation no one has said a word against the coach. That is as rare as the exodus itself.
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That's a great point. No complaints, no investigations - just a bunch of people leaving for various reasons, but no one is saying anything bad (that we are aware of). Maybe he survives. He probably needs a JUCO or 2, or a graduate student to transfer in for the short term. He does have one top 25 kid coming in for 2017 - Duvall (unless she rescinded?)...
 
CocoHusky said:
He should not survive. He might survive because there is literally not enough time to fix this problem. Kentucky WBB team has commitments to SEC that have to be met with a roster of 5 or 7 players they are going to play. Is any fair to mediocre new coach going to come in and take over this mess?
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A case could be made for the opposite position
Reasonably well supported program in a BB savvy locale.
Some recent success
Write off next season and start recruiting.
Not so different from the situ at Oregon (or is it O State?...I can never get them straight).
Give someone a coupla seasons to get it together
And it's a potential plum job.
 
msf22b said:
A case could be made for the opposite position
Reasonably well supported program in a BB savvy locale.
Some recent success
Write off next season and start recruiting.
Not so different from the situ at Oregon (or is it O State?...I can never get them straight).
Give someone a coupla seasons to get it together
And it's a potential plum job.
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Perhaps. I think someone has published the attendance figures that show Kentucky being 6th Nationally. SEC or WCBB can't hardly afford the drop off in attendance. Also this is not a 1/2 year problem, Kentucky top committed recruits for 2016 (Corsaro) and 2017 (Treece) have both de-committed. Duvall a top 25 kid for 2017 is still hanging on.
 
Here's news on Kentucky's two highly rated recruits

Kyle NeddenriepVerified account‏@KyleNeddenriep
Roncalli's Lindsey Corsaro has cut her list to Baylor, Indiana, Michigan, Tennessee, Texas, UCLA and Washington. Former Kentucky recruit.
  • WBB: Update on former Kentucky commit Madison Treece (MO-2017) from her high school coach http://www.columbiatribune.com/sports/prep_sports/mid_missouri/boonville-baseball-on-a-roll-and-enjoying-new-turf/article_7b69debb-26d4-5334-80ab-46949636184e.html…

 
Can the Kentucky AD do anything to stop the bleeding??

I mean this is getting or rather IS already out of hand.

What still strikes me as odd is no one is saying why!?!??
 
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HuskyFan1125 said:
Can the Kentucky AD do anything to stop the bleeding??

I mean this is getting or rather IS already out of hand.

What still strikes me as odd is no one is saying why!?!??
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I assume this one, and perhaps some of the recent ones, had nothing to do with Mitchell but just an assessment of the situation. The team has no players. They will struggle mightily.
Not to mention that a chunk of the players and coaches you thought would be there are gone.
 
Frankly because these young women are so young there doesn't have to be a singular reason. These recruits are sensitive to the atmosphere being generated there. Since the decision as to where they want to spend the next four formative years of their lives is difficult as it is all it takes is rumor, bad optics and bad decisions to create an avalanche. That's what seems to be occurring here. Whether you think Mitchell is an ass or not this is another sad case of a once proud WCBB institution getting hammered. How is this good for WCBB or WBB in general?
 
UcMiami said:
Nice find - pretty honest appraisal of the issues.
What seems interesting is that these transfers are happening fairly spaced out with each one appearing to be an individual decision separated by weeks or months.

The sort of organized chaos system being run with a lot of individual offense is not too dissimilar to Paul Westhead's run at all cost system, that seems to have a shelf life wherever it is instituted - it can create a certain level of success and even a championship if the players are really good, but it is really designed to disguise underlying weaknesses in a roster. And I don't think it actually develops player skills very well - so many turnovers and bad shots are just dismissed as part of the cost of running full speed all the time.
Along those lines - Sylvia at UNC and now Quentin at Syracuse are following the same kinds of mantra - shooting percentage doesn't matter, just get as many shots up as possible, or forget about the turnovers just play fast which was Sylvia's rallying cry. It can be exciting for a little while ...
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Damn you are so right again. We all remember however how and why Westhead was run out of LA by Magic and the emerging "Showtime". The D'Antoni teams of the Suns with Nash played a modified Westhead style. The reputation generated by this kind of offense lingers through the years as all style and no substance. In the NBA that kind of style typically produces regular season wins and playoff failure. I don't see any resulting difference in WCBB and the NCAA's.
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
Can the Kentucky AD do anything to stop the bleeding??
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He had a chance to do something when Mitchell's staff and 6 players had scrammed; but he said Matt's a friend and a heck of a guy. "He's more than a women's basketball coach...etc, etc, etc." So now he has to ride it out with Mitchell and his still rebuilding staff.

If you were a Kentucky recruit viewing the shambles of the program you'd have to fully reappraise your circumstances. Would you accept reassuring platitudes from a staff that did not recruit you or would you boogey? I don't think all the bleeding is done.
 
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