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Another J Ross thread?...Yep

WhereistheDove? said:
I challenge you to find one post where someone has said that a player cannot develop at all.

You’ve been on the record saying Stewart is a role player so I know that you understand that development is not a binary outcome.
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I don’t know if you do this on purpose or if you’re reading comprehension is that bad.

Ive said the literal opposite. This stuff is why I don’t even bother to respond to most of yours or any of your cliques post anymore because it’s just stupid at this point. You literally make anything up instead of just eating crow like someone respectable.

For the record, I’ve consistently said Stew is not a good role player because he’s wired to be a primary option… but I don’t know if you’re doing this on purpose or you’re just stupid at this point.
 
HW611 said:
I don’t know if you do this on purpose or if you’re reading comprehension is that bad.

Ive said the literal opposite. This stuff is why I don’t even bother to respond to most of yours or any of your cliques post anymore because it’s just stupid at this point. You literally make anything up instead of just eating crow like someone respectable.

For the record, I’ve consistently said Stew is not a good role player because he’s wired to be a primary option… but I don’t know if you’re doing this on purpose or you’re just stupid at this point.
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Apologies if I misremembered. I don’t catalog your posts. Point remains. Development is not binary and suggesting that anyone thinks development is not possible at all because they disagree with you about the likelihood of certain outcomes of their development is incredibly disingenuous and I think you know that.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
Apologies if I misremembered. I don’t catalog your posts. Point remains. Development is not binary and suggesting that anyone thinks development is not possible at all because they disagree with you about the likelihood of certain outcomes of their development is incredibly disingenuous and I think you know that.
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Okay so should we get someone out the transfer portal at the 4 next year or should we believe Stewart can develop into a primary option next year?
 
HW611 said:
Okay so should we get someone out the transfer portal at the 4 next year or should we believe Stewart can develop into a primary option next year?
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You’re proving my point here. If I say we should grab a starter in the portal, that’s doesn’t mean I don’t think Stew can’t develop or his ceiling isn’t high. It means I think there’s a lot of risk to betting the season on Stew developing into a starting-caliber 4 on a national championship team. Development outcomes aren’t binary. Ross is literally a perfect example of that.
 
Mr. French said:
J Ross is, now, exactly what we all hoped he could be.

He’s not a 1/2 option on O, but he’s not a minus there anymore. He’s bringing energy but ALSO sound D principles. He’s not making mistakes that take away from the positive plays.

He’s been a great role player, and if any UConn fan discounts the importance of role players, they haven’t paid attention to our national championship teams in the past. Every single one has had games and huge moments won by a role player playing big time.

Here’s to Ross being the 7th example along with Giffey, Kromah, Rash and Souleymane, Joey C, etc.
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Giffey popped up on my LinkedIn recently in an ad for Celonis, a process mining software.
 
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superjohn said:
We need to bring in a big time athletic 4 to replace AK.

Your reply to his post is bizarre.
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I find myself thinking about how hard that is gonna be

For everyone who questioned AK this year (even up to a week ago) they should consider what you're asking and how his replacement is so difficult to find, not only next year but in 5 years-10 years...

we'd need a guy who can understand the offense, hit a 3 point shot, defend multiple positions (including the 5), rebound, understand spacing, have a soft enough touch within 10 feet, top 95th percentile Bball IQ,....

I'm gonna miss that dude.
 
Jaydumo20 said:
I find myself thinking about how hard that is gonna be

For everyone who questioned AK this year (even up to a week ago) they should consider what you're asking and how his replacement is so difficult to find, not only next year but in 5 years-10 years...

we'd need a guy who can understand the offense, hit a 3 point shot, defend multiple positions (including the 5), rebound, understand spacing, have a soft enough touch within 10 feet, top 95th percentile Bball IQ,....

I'm gonna miss that dude.
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It will be interesting to see how much the offense changes without him. The reality is we’re not going to replace all the off-ball stuff he does. I think that means the offense evolves vs. us trying to pigeon hole someone else into that role.
 
Jaydumo20 said:
I find myself thinking about how hard that is gonna be

For everyone who questioned AK this year (even up to a week ago) they should consider what you're asking and how his replacement is so difficult to find, not only next year but in 5 years-10 years...

we'd need a guy who can understand the offense, hit a 3 point shot, defend multiple positions (including the 5), rebound, understand spacing, have a soft enough touch within 10 feet, top 95th percentile Bball IQ,....

I'm gonna miss that dude.
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It's gonna be hard but also not that hard if that makes sense. If we needed to replicate Alex Karaban that would be hard, and maybe borderline impossible.

But we just need to bring in a super talented transfer and adjust the system to fit the guys we have, which is something I have full confidence in this staff doing
 
Jaydumo20 said:
I find myself thinking about how hard that is gonna be

For everyone who questioned AK this year (even up to a week ago) they should consider what you're asking and how his replacement is so difficult to find, not only next year but in 5 years-10 years...

we'd need a guy who can understand the offense, hit a 3 point shot, defend multiple positions (including the 5), rebound, understand spacing, have a soft enough touch within 10 feet, top 95th percentile Bball IQ,....

I'm gonna miss that dude.
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We had to replace better players than AK in recent years and we're right in the mix again.

We don't need an AK clone and I hope the staff isn't trying to find one. We'll miss his intangibles and basketball IQ but his scoring and rebounding shouldn't be difficult to replace. I'm okay sacrificing a little of what be brings us and getting more athletic.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
You’re proving my point here. If I say we should grab a starter in the portal, that’s doesn’t mean I don’t think Stew can’t develop or his ceiling isn’t high. It means I think there’s a lot of risk to betting the season on Stew developing into a starting-caliber 4 on a national championship team. Development outcomes aren’t binary. Ross is literally a perfect example of that.
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A bunch of words that say you don’t believe Stewart is capable of developing.

Because again, development is not a thing on this board lol
 
HW611 said:
A bunch of words that say you don’t believe Stewart is capable of developing.

Because again, development is not a thing on this board lol
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I'm genuinely so confused by your posts about Stewart in this thread, you're all over the place. Are people ignoring his ability to develop or is he not a good role player?
 
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HW611 said:
A bunch of words that say you don’t believe Stewart is capable of developing.

Because again, development is not a thing on this board lol
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100% the polar opposite of what I just said. Let me try a really basic hypothetical question. Do you think A) Furphy should be guaranteed a starting spot next year, or B) do you not think he is able to develop at all?
 
Ross is the best defensive player on the team with the exception of Reed when he is on.

We will need Ross to play as well or better to get back to the FF.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
100% the polar opposite of what I just said. Let me try a really basic hypothetical question. Do you think A) Furphy should be guaranteed a starting spot next year, or B) do you not think he is able to develop at all?
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Have we seen enough of Furphy in garbage time to know?
 
WhereistheDove? said:
100% the polar opposite of what I just said. Let me try a really basic hypothetical question. Do you think A) Furphy should be guaranteed a starting spot next year, or B) do you not think he is able to develop at all?
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Easy answer - nobody is guaranteed a starting spot nor playing time.
 
temery said:
Easy answer - nobody is guaranteed a starting spot nor playing time.
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It was a rhetorical question to point out the absurdity behind the assertion that if you don’t think we should go into next year with Stew as the guaranteed starter at the four, that means you don’t think he’s capable developing at all. I was pointing out that there are a bunch of bench players that I’m sure HW feels won’t start, but that obviously doesn’t mean they can’t develop
 
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WhereistheDove? said:
It was a rhetorical question to point out the absurdity behind the assertion that if you don’t think we should go into next year with Stew as the guaranteed starter at the four, that means you don’t think he’s capable developing at all. I was pointing out that there are a bunch of bench players that I’m sure HW feels won’t start, but that obviously doesn’t mean they can’t develop
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Swap "projected" starter for "guaranteed" starter, and I agree.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
He’s filling the 3-and-D bench wing role that we really needed this year. Games like yesterday where we can get a lot of defensive pressure on their guards and generate live ball turnovers are where he really shines.
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He and Malachi elevating their play allows for a lot of additional combos of players on the floor and tonight Hurley inserted him when he was getting bad vibes on D.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
100% the polar opposite of what I just said. Let me try a really basic hypothetical question. Do you think A) Furphy should be guaranteed a starting spot next year, or B) do you not think he is able to develop at all?
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You’re comparing a 3* guy who hasn’t played at all this year to a top 50 guy who is entering his senior year that Hurley made come back twice.

But now you think we should get a transfer because you don’t believe he can develop. Like you do for every single player in this position.

You think Hurley asked him to come back both times just to recruit over him when it’s his turn?
 
WhereistheDove? said:
You gotta chill with the personal attacks man. It’s a message board.
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No. If you want to post stupid stuff I’m going to call you stupid. Don’t post stupid stuff and I won’t call you stupid.

It’s quite simple.
 
HW611 said:
You’re comparing a 3* guy who hasn’t played at all this year to a top 50 guy who is entering his senior year that Hurley made come back twice.

But now you think we should get a transfer because you don’t believe he can develop. Like you do for every single player in this position.

You think Hurley asked him to come back both times just to recruit over him when it’s his turn?
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Hey, progress! We seemingly now both agree that development is not a) elite team starter or b) no development at all.

Candidly, someone waiting their turn is of limited concern to me in what is effectively a professional sport where guys are getting paid large sums of money and in a program where not being a championship contender is thought of as a failure. If you want to start, show that you can do the job in the minutes you get. I think Stew has show flashes dating back to his freshman year (and at that point I fully expected he’d be far ahead of where he is at now), but IMO he hasn’t shown nearly the consistency to be handed the starting job. Could he develop and take the job from whoever we bring in? Sure, I think he’s wildly talented, but that’s not a gamble I expect Hurley will take either.

I’m not totally sure why you get so defensive over someone having a difference of opinion about one of the couple of guys you really champion. It wasn’t that long ago that you were stumping for Solo as starting PG and making the same argument against bringing in a portal PG, including Demary. That clearly would have been a disaster. At a minimum I would think it would at least open your eyes to the idea that while we may disagree, it’s not an absurd position to take not to gamble a season on hope.
 
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WhereistheDove? said:
Hey, progress! We seemingly now both agree that development is not a) elite team starter or b) no development at all.

Candidly, someone waiting their turn is of limited concern to me in what is effectively a professional sport where guys are getting paid large sums of money and in a program where not being a championship contender is thought of as a failure. If you want to start, show that you can do the job in the minutes you get. I think Stew has show flashes dating back to his freshman year (and at that point I fully expected he’d be far ahead of where he is at now), but IMO he hasn’t shown nearly the consistency to be handed the starting job. Could he develop and take the job from whoever we bring in? Sure, I think he’s wildly talented, but that’s not a gamble I expect Hurley will take either.

I’m not totally sure why you get so defensive over someone having a difference of opinion about one of the couple of guys you really champion. It wasn’t that long ago that you were stumping for Solo as starting PG and making the same argument against bringing in a portal PG, including Demary. That clearly would have been a disaster. At a minimum I would think it would at least open your eyes to the idea that while we may disagree, it’s not an absurd position to take not to gamble a season on hope.
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I can hardly get you guys to eat crow with Ross. I’m for sure not traveling down the Solo road with you all.

He developed almost exactly how people on this board wanted him to and…
 
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