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Recruiting Spotlight: Ahmed Hill

Like several other recruits, Hill is hopeful that Kevin Ollie is next in line.

“I would (want Ollie to be the next coach),” Hill said Monday afternoon. “Every time he gets on the phone with me, he always motivates me. He has me thinking about school; he motivates me to be a better person. We talk about being a better person first of all before talking about basketball.”
 
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If KO isn't named Head Coach after JC's departure do we have any chance at keeping him on the staff?
 

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If KO isn't named Head Coach after JC's departure do we have any chance at keeping him on the staff?

Would probably depend on a few things:

  1. Who the head coach is
  2. If said coach wants to keep him
  3. If Ollie has NBA coaching ambition
  4. If Ollie is targeted by other schools as a head coach
 
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If we don't get a proven winner and recruiter at a high D one level like Brad Stevens, Shaka Smart or better, than we must sign KO. He will clearly be able to attract top level guards and make them into great players. The key to winning championships is usually to have well couched and highly skilled guards.
 
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If KO isn't named Head Coach after JC's departure do we have any chance at keeping him on the staff?

Probably not. If it goes to someone like Shaka Smart, Ollie would have to assume that, in all likelihood, the job won't be opening up again in the near future. Not sure if the rumors of him being interested in the NBA are true, but unless he loves being a college assistant, I wouldn't be surprised to see him join an NBA staff.
 

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I think the writing is on the wall. KO is going to be our next coach. He may have to produce but I think they'll give him a chance. He's bright, young, recruits seem to love him. Pair him with a game tactician to cover his shortcomings and he's as good a candidate as any. Pedigree, experience, clean background, support from JC. I just don't see us going with anyone else.
 
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I think the writing is on the wall. KO is going to be our next coach. He may have to produce but I think they'll give him a chance. He's bright, young, recruits seem to love him. Pair him with a game tactician to cover his shortcomings and he's as good a candidate as any. Pedigree, experience, clean background, support from JC. I just don't see us going with anyone else.

Well Warde Manuel was quoted as recently as last week as saying that he still would prefer to open up a national search when the time comes. If Shaka Smart wants the job, and keeps winning 25+ games a year in the interim, I think Warde has a tough time turning him down.
 
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If KO isn't named Head Coach after JC's departure do we have any chance at keeping him on the staff?

Certainly if Blaney takes the reigns.

Seriously though if not Blaney, I think other programs will be making overtures with motivation enticements. His value right now is in recruiting and player respect. That's a great foundation for any program. The important thing is if he is UConn through and through (I hope not for his sake and future). I don't know him but with his NBA pedigree and Championship ring I think his tenure would be a short one, privately applying to choice schools. He is bigger than a long term assistant coach. No one likes getting passed over for a promotion, especially from the outside. Time will tell.
 
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Well Warde Manuel was quoted as recently as last week as saying that he still would prefer to open up a national search when the time comes. If Shaka Smart wants the job, and keeps winning 25+ games a year in the interim, I think Warde has a tough time turning him down.
The future head coaching situation continues to concern me on one hand, but on the other it's been a topic for so long I'm sort of numb to it. I'm concerned that if Manuel's approach is to wait till JC hangs 'em up and conduct a national search, the program could end up taking a big time talent hit due to all the recruiting swings and misses due to the uncertainty.

None of us has a crystal ball. The Stevens' and Smart's of the coaching world were all Ollie's at some point in time. There's not guarantee that one of them would do any better of a job than KO. Yeah, they both have an excellent head coach track record, but at a mid-major level. I've seen plenty of successful mid-major coaches not do so well once they got a high major job and needed to win recruiting battles against the big boys and coach what often are more selfish players with their sites set on the next level.

KO has a unique background of being from a big-time tough inner city background, an over-achiever at both the college and NBA level, not to mention a long time NBA player that coaches simply loved to have on their roster even though he was a marginal role player at many of his stops along the way. No disrespect meant for KO, but as far as I can remember, he wasn't one of those first off the bench type of players, but was one that coaches could count on when they needed a guard who could fill in, run a team and not make many mistakes. He was also a great mentor and role model for the younger players.

It's too bad that the JC & George didn't have the foresight and maybe guts to let Ollie coach some of the games while he was out last season to see how he'd handle some of the head-coaching duties. I think he'll make a very good one and would love to see what he could do at the helm here in Storrs. The way that JC leaves everyone unclear with his intentions after each season, I'm at the point where I think naming KO as the coach in waiting would be the best thing for continuity and recruiting. If he takes over and doesn't do well, then go after the latest hot head coach. There's always going to be one out there and who knows if Stevens or Smart would even consider UConn. If the conduct a nation wide search, lose Ollie before hand or in the process, and find out whatever up-and-comers don't take the bait, then what?

IMO, it's time to reward Ollie as the C-in-W, who could have easily gone into other ventures considering how much money he earned over the years. You don't see many ex-NBAers going into college coaching. Yeah, there are some, but not very many.
 

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I am less worried about the next coach than many. None may be Calhoun, and that's something I've accepted but...

If Ollie is the fallback/worst case scenario, I'm OK with that. I mean, it's him or it's someone better than him. If Ollie is the floor, that's not a bad thing. Only way UConn ends up worse is if Ollie gets an NBA gig and none of the better coaches come. I don't see that happening.
 
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I am less worried about the next coach than many. None may be Calhoun, and that's something I've accepted but...

If Ollie is the fallback/worst case scenario, I'm OK with that. I mean, it's him or it's someone better than him. If Ollie is the floor, that's not a bad thing. Only way UConn ends up worse is if Ollie gets an NBA gig and none of the better coaches come. I don't see that happening.
Maybe KO will stick it out till they decide on the next HC. If he bolts before hand, we could end up with worse. Say they do choose him in the end, then I can't help but wonder how many Plan-A or B recruits we might miss out on between now and then due to the HC uncertainty. Any recruits that is considering UConn has to have in the back of his mind that if they choose UConn they could end up playing for an entirely different coaching staff, never mind just a different head coach.

Now JC and his staff have continued to surprise me with adding solid D1 recruits, but I wonder how many Plan-A or B (recruits that they preferred most for their program) decided the uncertainty was too big for them to consider UConn and chose other programs. Just sayin'!
 
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The future head coaching situation continues to concern me on one hand, but on the other it's been a topic for so long I'm sort of numb to it. I'm concerned that if Manuel's approach is to wait till JC hangs 'em up and conduct a national search, the program could end up taking a big time talent hit due to all the recruiting swings and misses due to the uncertainty.

None of us has a crystal ball. The Stevens' and Smart's of the coaching world were all Ollie's at some point in time. There's not guarantee that one of them would do any better of a job than KO. Yeah, they both have an excellent head coach track record, but at a mid-major level. I've seen plenty of successful mid-major coaches not do so well once they got a high major job and needed to win recruiting battles against the big boys and coach what often are more selfish players with their sites set on the next level.

KO has a unique background of being from a big-time tough inner city background, an over-achiever at both the college and NBA level, not to mention a long time NBA player that coaches simply loved to have on their roster even though he was a marginal role player at many of his stops along the way. No disrespect meant for KO, but as far as I can remember, he wasn't one of those first off the bench type of players, but was one that coaches could count on when they needed a guard who could fill in, run a team and not make many mistakes. He was also a great mentor and role model for the younger players.

It's too bad that the JC & George didn't have the foresight and maybe guts to let Ollie coach some of the games while he was out last season to see how he'd handle some of the head-coaching duties. I think he'll make a very good one and would love to see what he could do at the helm here in Storrs. The way that JC leaves everyone unclear with his intentions after each season, I'm at the point where I think naming KO as the coach in waiting would be the best thing for continuity and recruiting. If he takes over and doesn't do well, then go after the latest hot head coach. There's always going to be one out there and who knows if Stevens or Smart would even consider UConn. If the conduct a nation wide search, lose Ollie before hand or in the process, and find out whatever up-and-comers don't take the bait, then what?

IMO, it's time to reward Ollie as the C-in-W, who could have easily gone into other ventures considering how much money he earned over the years. You don't see many ex-NBAers going into college coaching. Yeah, there are some, but not very many.
I am relieved he did not get the opportunity last year. That team was probably not going to respond to any coach
 
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I am relieved he did not get the opportunity last year. That team was probably not going to respond to any coach

Yea I was about to post the same. JC probably figured with all the issues going on b/w that team he didn't want to stick that on KO. They didn't respond to JC or Blaney, it would've been the same for KO, I can already see how badly this board would've trashed KO if he was in charge of some of the performances that we saw from that squad under JC and Blaney. , I've already seen some post that he should be ruled out for consideration based on how this team played.
 
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Yea I was about to post the same. JC probably figured with all the issues going on b/w that team he didn't want to stick that on KO. They didn't respond to JC or Blaney, it would've been the same for KO, I can already see how badly this board would've trashed KO if he was in charge of some of the performances that we saw from that squad under JC and Blaney. , I've already seen some post that he should be ruled out for consideration based on how this team played.
That's an interesting perspective. I guess I would have liked to see how he handled the head coaching game-time duties regardless, compared to the alternative of not knowing how he would respond to game situations, especially handling adversity. Yeah, I can see some wanting to declare him a failure if the team didn't respond well to him, but I think you learn a lot about a coach seeing how they handle the worst of situations. H*ll, even I could look like a HOF coach coaching an experienced and talented team. It's seeing if a coach can get the most out of a team that needs a plus-effort to win or compete, tells you a lot about what a coach is made of.

What's interesting about your take on this as well as imno1's is what does this say about JC and George. Were there the players that un-coachable? As flawed as that team might have been, not to mention the NCAA jerking Boat around twice during the season, I felt that JC didn't deploy the right offense for that team. I almost pulled all of my hair out, and Fishy knows I don't have much left to pull, watching them run that high screen over and over again with the same failed results. They used dribble penetration way too much as if they still had Kemba Walker on the team. Bazz was solid early on, but I think his foot and likely other injuries prevented him from having the blow-by capabilities to get by his man. Boat has that ability but he was a freshman and in-and-out of the line-up twice thanks to the NCAA. Lamb was simply not very good when he had the ball at the top of the key and his man standing right in front of him. He was best when catching the ball off the curl and in motion. IMO, Lamb simply doesn't have a great first step to get the corner on his defender and get into the paint on a regular basis. After those three, tell me who had that type of game? I think JC should have run the motion type offense that he used with the 99 team. Run the guards and wings off multiple screens below the foul like to free up shooters. Or even do some big to big screens and dump the ball to the 4 or 5 in the post. I simply didn't see much of that and I think that would have worked a whole lot better than what we saw. They were dreadful to watch in the half-court. As much as I want to see JC on the sideline for the foreseeable future, I just hope he adjust the office to the personnel better than what we saw last year.

I know many of you are thinking, "H*ll, he's a HOF and 3 Time NC coach!" I agree, and he's usually very good at getting the most out of the talent he's coaching, but I just wonder if Kemba's individual scoring abilities bailed us out in 2010/11. Last year's team was predominantly the same cast of characters but the pieces just didn't work as well as I had hoped. We often forget that the 2010/11 team looked as good as dead going into the NCAA before Kemba and his teamnates put it all together. Without Kemba, I just believe a change in the offense was needed. I think scoring opportunities generated from motion and screens for our shooters, Lamb, Bazz, Boat, Scoe, Giffey, Daniels and even Olander, all capable of knocking down Js, would have worked better than what we witnessed. Boy did I digress there. Sorry!

I'm curious to see what type of O and D Ollie would deploy and how intuitive he would be based on the personnel he has each season. I'd also like to see how accountable the players would be to him in doing what is expected. JC was very good at that. Players tend to learn quickly what will keep them out on the floor or on the bench. Though I must admit, I don't understand why he didn't make the players accountable for boxing out. A lot of games were lost last season due to all the 2nd chance opportunities they were giving up because of both the bigs and perimeter players failing to get their body in between their man and the rim. Standing around hoping the ball will fall in your hands is no way to go after rebounds. I hope that JC and the staff really make next season's team accountable for the little things like we used to see in the past. Rarely did teams outwork and out-will a JC coached team. How often have we heard the past few years the players say, "they wanted it more than we did!" If I hear that again this coming season, I swear I'm going to put my foot through the TV. You'd never hear that from KO when he played. Never from KEA or Ricky. I seem to remember hearing those types of words as far back as the team that lost to George Mason. I hope to see JC kick the crap out of that type of work ethic this upcoming season and until we get to see KO at the helm, if ever, we won't know if he is able to get the out-will and outwork you type of effort out of his players.

Whoever take over, I want the following:

Good Xs & Os game time coach who knows what adjustments to make throughout the game.

Good motivator that gets his players to outwork and out-will their opponent

Good teacher of the game that is both good at individual and team development. Part of the individual development is getting his coaches to teach what he wants and/or making sure he has coaches that are good at teaching what each player needs to do to succeed at their position based on their specific skill sets.

Good with the alumni & press

Good recruiter/closer

I'm sure there are other traits. I think Ollie could be good at most of the above, but until he gets the chance we just don't know. Also note that there are no guarantees that a successful mid-major coach will exceed in all these things at the high major level. JC has been very good most of the time and on a consistent basis over the years. He's obviously improved as a coach as time's gone on. Lately, I do wonder about how he and his staff is doing with teaching all the positions, especially the post players. Seems the improvement with the bigs lately has been lacking, but how much of that has to do with the players and how much the coaches, I don't know. Also, I do wonder about the team teaching. Seems last season they failed to make adjustments. If you believe they were running the right stuff, then you have to wrestle with the issue of them showing little to no improvement, even regressing, in their execution of what they were running as the season went on. Their offense was brutal to watch at times.
 
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Whoever take over, I want the following:

Good Xs & Os game time coach who knows what adjustments to make throughout the game.

Good motivator that gets his players to outwork and out-will their opponent

Good teacher of the game that is both good at individual and team development. Part of the individual development is getting his coaches to teach what he wants and/or making sure he has coaches that are good at teaching what each player needs to do to succeed at their position based on their specific skill sets.

Good with the alumni & press

Good recruiter/closer

The X's and O's, in-game aspect is something where Ollie is seriously unproven, and frankly one in which JC hasn't exactly excelled over the last few years. The 3rd point about developing players and teams can really be summarized as being a good practice coach and, like you said, our team development has not been great since ~2009. In these aspects, it's difficult to assess what Ollie's role/responsibility is.

I think he'll be the sort of coach who's great at building relationships with his players, as we've seen already, and hopefully that translates to everything from recruiting to motivation.

It's more a question of the basketball side. And if the program struggles because of that, he's not going to be able to recruit anyway.

I'd be more comfortable with a proven commodity, and I'm just appreciating what Ollie brings to JC's staff right now.
 
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