Andrew Wiggins highlights from LBJ camp

[intlzncster]

Don't know if it's been posted yet, but these highlights are pretty good. Kid can jump.



Oh, and Wiggins out jumped the vertical leap test.

[stolen from http://barstoolu.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/andrew-wiggins-highlights-are-insane/]

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

He can take a penny off the top of the backboard with Brimah. In my opinion he will be no better than Rudy Gay was in college/2006 and his effort will most of the time be less than 100%. I will say average around 15 pts and 6 rebs. and shoot no higher than 33% from 3 land. As a matter of fact he just is not that good of a shooter for all the super hype. His moves are strong but they have a tendency to be very predictable IMO. He has no great interior offensive moves just average.

He is explosive and will be exciting to watch but unless he somehow provides leadership to this young Kansas team they will be gone before the E8.

JMHO and I'm sure most disagree.

 

[intlzncster]

He can take a penny off the top of the backboard with Brimah. In my opinion he will be no better than Rudy Gay was in college/2006 and his effort will most of the time be less than 100%. I will say average around 15 pts and 6 rebs. and shoot no higher than 33% from 3 land. As a matter of fact he just is not that good of a shooter for all the super hype. His moves are strong but they have a tendency to be very predictable IMO. He has no great interior offensive moves just average.

He is explosive and will be exciting to watch but unless he somehow provides leadership to this young Kansas team they will be gone before the E8.

JMHO and I'm sure most disagree.

Relying on leadership from a freshman is a bit much. That's worked out only once or twice in the past 20 years.

And the elite 8 would be pretty good given the returning guys imo.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

He can take a penny off the top of the backboard with Brimah. In my opinion he will be no better than Rudy Gay was in college/2006 and his effort will most of the time be less than 100%. I will say average around 15 pts and 6 rebs. and shoot no higher than 33% from 3 land. As a matter of fact he just is not that good of a shooter for all the super hype. His moves are strong but they have a tendency to be very predictable IMO. He has no great interior offensive moves just average.

He's a 6-8 kid who's going to play on the wing. He's going to look a lot more comfortable with NBA spacing than he's going to look being guarded by a 6-3 kid in college. We've seen this a million times before. People will call him a bust and then he'll get to the league and it'll be "Oh ****, where did this kid come from?"

You seem like you're being contrarian on purpose, though. It's almost laughable how you're minimizing his talent.

 

[Kitaman]

JMHO and I'm sure most disagree.

If a thousand people say a picture is straight and one says its crooked, what do you think the picture is?

 

[kansashusky]

He can take a penny off the top of the backboard with Brimah. In my opinion he will be no better than Rudy Gay was in college/2006 and his effort will most of the time be less than 100%. I will say average around 15 pts and 6 rebs. and shoot no higher than 33% from 3 land. As a matter of fact he just is not that good of a shooter for all the super hype. His moves are strong but they have a tendency to be very predictable IMO. He has no great interior offensive moves just average.

He is explosive and will be exciting to watch but unless he somehow provides leadership to this young Kansas team they will be gone before the E8.

JMHO and I'm sure most disagree.

So a kid that averaged 24 pts a game at Huntington Prep has predictable moves and no shot. Got it.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

He's a 6-8 kid who's going to play on the wing. He's going to look a lot more comfortable with NBA spacing than he's going to look being guarded by a 6-3 kid in college. We've seen this a million times before. People will call him a bust and then he'll get to the league and it'll be "Oh , where did this kid come from?"

You seem like you're being contrarian on purpose, though. It's almost laughable how you're minimizing his talent.

Like I inferred reasonable minds may disagree. Wiggins in my opinion will be a good college player. I certainly am not addressing his pro prospects here or minimalizing his ceiling. Just giving some unbiased feedback on a few of his perceived weaknesses from my humble perspective.

Against some of the more elite college defenders.... I feel comfortable speculating on his struggles and imperfections.

The guy up to this point has not played against high level college competition/defenders. It is easier to speculate on the great season DeAndre Daniels will have based on a proven track record.

 

[Burnsbros23]

I agree with Blue. Wiggins shot is not consistent yet. His midrange game is lacking. I think if your expecting him to come in an average 20, I think your expectations are too high. Freak Athlete can attack the rim but his overall skill level still needs to develop. He also doesn't have the demanding personality he lets the game come to him. I hope people are reasonable and don't freak out when he is only averaging 15.

 

[intlzncster]

I agree with Blue. Wiggins shot is not consistent yet. His midrange game is lacking. I think if your expecting him to come in an average 20, I think your expectations are too high. Freak Athlete can attack the rim but his overall skill level still needs to develop. He also doesn't have the demanding personality he lets the game come to him. I hope people are reasonable and don't freak out when he is only averaging 15.

Thinking on it, are there many freshman who come in and average 20+ in a big time program? There can't be that many...

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

So a kid that averaged 24 pts a game at Huntington Prep has predictable moves and no shot. Got it.

Gorgui Dieng was the first player ever to be drafted out of Huntington Prep. Prep is a very good place to play high school basketball but lets not over hype that place either. I know J. Perkins is going to Prep the last I checked and he should be another good 1.

La Lumiere shut Wiggins down this year so I expect good college defenders will also keep him in check. Will Wiggins "go off" at times and help lead Kansas to a good season? I would say that is a distinct possibility. Check back with me though if Kansas gets bounced in the Regional Semi Finals and Wiggins fails to get double figures.

 

[Burnsbros23]

keep in mind he will average 15 and be the best perimeter defender in the country. But if ppl expect him to come in and score like Durant? I dont see it.

 

[kansashusky]

Gorgui Dieng was the first player ever to be drafted out of Huntington Prep. Prep is a very good place to play high school basketball but lets not over hype that place either. I know J. Perkins is going to Prep the last I checked and he should be another good 1.

La Lumiere shut Wiggins down this year so I expect good college defenders will also keep him in check. Will Wiggins "go off" at times and help lead Kansas to a good season? I would say that is a distinct possibility. Check back with me though if Kansas gets bounced in the Regional Semi Finals and Wiggins fails to get double figures.

Im sure my expectations are lofty, but looking at this Kansas team we don't need for AW to average more than 15 a game to have huge success. This team in my homer opinion is built for him. Everyone minus Naadir is a freak athlete and we will probably lead the Big 12 in 3 point %. This frees up space for Wiggins and we will press relentlessly and have several fast break opportunities. I cant name any 6-8 lock down defenders in the nation let alone the Big 12. Wiggins can still over power smaller players and elevates with great height for his jump shot. He is a match up nightmare. He played against Julius Randle in the Peach Jam finals, and scored 28 and Randle had 15, but again I go to KU so am a bit of a homer.​

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

He can take a penny off the top of the backboard with Brimah. In my opinion he will be no better than Rudy Gay was in college/2006 and his effort will most of the time be less than 100%. I will say average around 15 pts and 6 rebs. and shoot no higher than 33% from 3 land. As a matter of fact he just is not that good of a shooter for all the super hype. His moves are strong but they have a tendency to be very predictable IMO. He has no great interior offensive moves just average.

He is explosive and will be exciting to watch but unless he somehow provides leadership to this young Kansas team they will be gone before the E8.

JMHO and I'm sure most disagree.

I'm totally with you and Burns. To me, he is more Harrison Barnes and Rudy (probably better as a Freshman) than LBJ/ Durant (who he has been compared to). Not to say thats a bad thing as both are very good players (just not all timers; college or nba). He can jump really high and is explosive, but his offensive moves are almost robotic (exactly like Barnes). He looks to have a good first step, but he doesn't seem to move/ change directions very fluidly (Rudy) and he does not have a quick release at all.

This is not to say he will be a bust at all, or even the best player in the nation next year. He very well could be. He is clearly a very good recruit and prospect, but the "canadian MJ", or the once in a generation prospect/ next LBJ seems way overdone to me.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

keep in mind he will average 15 and be the best perimeter defender in the country. But if ppl expect him to come in and score like Durant? I dont see it.

YUP. This. People are getting offended that posters are criticizing his game. Kid is a great prospect, but he is not an all time great prospect. He has the body and the hops, but it seems like LBJ and Durant were far more polished at this point. Wiggins really does have an ugly shot. Id take the kid in a second, but when youre being compared to those two (and MJ) people are going to be critical.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Thinking on it, are there many freshman who come in and average 20+ in a big time program? There can't be that many...

B. King
L. Bird
K. Anderson
S. Curry
C. Anthony
L. Hughes
A. Iverson
W. Tisdale
M. Aguirre
M. Beasley
C. Jackson

These are some of the ones I can think of. There probably are several more I am missing. Many of these guys are old school giving away my age.

EDIT: Durant averaged +20

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

He's a 6-8 kid who's going to play on the wing. He's going to look a lot more comfortable with NBA spacing than he's going to look being guarded by a 6-3 kid in college. We've seen this a million times before. People will call him a bust and then he'll get to the league and it'll be "Oh , where did this kid come from?"

You seem like you're being contrarian on purpose, though. It's almost laughable how you're minimizing his talent.

Just because he pointed out some flaws (while also pointing out his strengths) doesn't mean he is "minimizing his talent". Be open to differing opinions. His analysis is completely justified.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Just because he pointed out some flaws (while also pointing out his strengths) doesn't mean he is "minimizing his talent". Be open to differing opinions. His analysis is completely justified.

I appreciate the lecture, but I do think he's "minimizing his talent." Be open to differing opinions. This kid would have been the #1 pick this year, and, duck it, maybe last year too as a high school junior. I've noted that he's going to experience the same difficulties that most NBA-sized wings have at the college level (i.e. being guarded by kids 6 inches shorter) so he might not come in and get 20 a game, but it also wouldn't shock me if he's the NPOY. He is obviously going to be much, much better as a pro than as a college kid, but you could say that about a lot of guys that people seem lukewarm on before they get to the league, especially kids his size who project as perimeter guys at the next level.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Im sure my expectations are lofty, but looking at this Kansas team we don't need for AW to average more than 15 a game to have huge success. This team in my homer opinion is built for him. Everyone minus Naadir is a freak athlete and we will probably lead the Big 12 in 3 point %. This frees up space for Wiggins and we will press relentlessly and have several fast break opportunities. I cant name any 6-8 lock down defenders in the nation let alone the Big 12. Wiggins can still over power smaller players and elevates with great height for his jump shot. He is a match up nightmare. He played against Julius Randle in the Peach Jam finals, and scored 28 and Randle had 15, but again I go to KU so am a bit of a homer.​

Michael Cobbins is 1 of the best defenders in the country at Oklahoma State. He is 6-8 and gets in your grill. Very tough kid.

 

[Sportsman5]

I have barely seen him play so can't comment strongly one way or another. However, I would just like to remind some of you that draft position is HEAVILY weighted on potential 3-5+ years down the line and not production now or even 1-2 years in the future. If the top 5 high school sophomores entered the draft I bet 1-2 would get picked in the lottery most years. So saying most teams would have taken him #1 overall in this draft is pretty irrelevant to predicting how well he will help his college team next year. If he has shown good leadership skills, effort on the court, and ability to produce against top competition, than he will be a great help to his team. If he is missing anyone of those qualities for next season, than he will struggle to some degree and the team will suffer. Good luck to him for next season and in the future. He has a lot to live up to, which is extremely mentally and physically draining.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

I appreciate the lecture, but I do think he's "minimizing his talent." Be open to differing opinions. This kid would have been the #1 pick this year, and, duck it, maybe last year too as a high school junior. I've noted that he's going to experience the same difficulties that most NBA-sized wings have at the college level (i.e. being guarded by kids 6 inches shorter) so he might not come in and get 20 a game, but it also wouldn't shock me if he's the NPOY. He is obviously going to be much, much better as a pro than as a college kid, but you could say that about a lot of guys that people seem lukewarm on before they get to the league, especially kids his size who project as perimeter guys at the next level.

I agree with everything you've said. He would be the #1 pick and will probably be very good. But the bar has been set at basically unattainable levels (MJ and LBJ). Those are pretty much the two best players ever (most talented at least for LBJ; MJ is undeniably the GOAT). Even Durant seems like a reach. Which again doesn't mean he won't be great, but the kid isn't flawless and does have some weaknesses (as all players do) and pointing those out doesn't mean he's minimizing his talents.

 

[tentoes4rings]

Good video, thanks for posting. I really wish they would have put some hip hop music in though, it's hard to enjoy watching elite basketball without it.

 

[intlzncster]

Good video, thanks for posting. I really wish they would have put some hip hop music in though, it's hard to enjoy watching elite basketball without it.

Sarcasm aside, it will rub off on you one day Fla. It is known.

 

[tentoes4rings]

Sarcasm aside, it will rub off on you one day Fla. It is known.

Ha, I don't honestly have a problem with hip hop in general. Back in the day I was a big fan of Tribe, DMC etc.. and like some of today's smoother hip hop. It could be Dark Side of The Moon or something else I love and I still wouldn't want to hear it in hoops videos. Maybe it's the withdrawals of having to wait another 4 months but I like hearing the sneakers squeaking and get the feel of a real game. In some ways November can't get here soon enough.