And home grown talent is going elsewhere...

[superjohn]

True.

Heron just was never coming here and perhaps they should have put more time into Waters when he was younger, but it is what it is.

The (mild) miss was Tyrique Jones. And even that’s understandable - they liked Diarra more. And UConn’s 2016 class was stellar before Glibert’s arm fell off, Diarra’s knee blew up and Durham and Jackson left Storrs on rocket ships.

The much bigger problem is we aren't getting kids from the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country, we should be cleaning up in New England.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Year-by-Year Register Boys' Basketball All-State Teams

I bet someone who posts here has their name on this list.

 

[intlzncster]

This coming from one of the most hated posters on the board the BDH. I have to navigate this place like I am trying to survive my first week at Rikers. The bullets and water balloons are flying at my head left and right!

You're not even Top 25. Over/under on 5 people having you on Ignore. I'm taking the under.

 

[uconnfan68]

The list is lengthy and it goes way back and includes some elite players. I can only go as far back as Tom Roy then it gets a little fuzzy.

Doug Wardlow, Loyola.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

You're not even Top 25. Over/under on 5 people having you on Ignore. I'm taking the under.

The Westgate SuperBook/LVS put the prop bet up a while ago on my request. Jay Kornegay the Director put the over/under @ 17.5.

The Prop was:

How many University of Connecticut basketball fans registered to the-boneyard.com have moniker BlueDogHouse on iggy (ignore)?

Total = over/under 17.5

Jay sent an email to the Bonyards equivalent of the Mobs Consigliere who were able to data mine the system and get the total @ 22.

I took the under and lost. Basically the prop was up for three (3) hours with only one person making the under play. ME.

Vegas is tough.

Thxs Intlz...we will share an ice cold one soon!

 

[CTFIRERETIRED]

Haha...

Man you understand the game.

the more things change................the more they remain the same. East Catholic "recruiting"...................I thought I was back in the 70's and 80's. Same could be said for St. Bernards in Montville, too.

 

[CTFIRERETIRED]

Doug Wardlow, Loyola.

...........I can go back further. HOF Calvin Murphy, to Niagra, Super John Williamson (Wilbur Cross), the late Soup Campbell (Wilbur Cross) to PC, Sly Williams (Lee HIgh, NH) URI, John Pinone (South Catholic...........I think) to Villanova, John Bagly, (Bridgeport) to BC,. there are more, but really, as was said do you want to continue this all over again.

 

[boog204]

The much bigger problem is we aren't getting kids from the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country, we should be cleaning up in New England.

It's a misconception though if you are including all the prep school kids. To my knowledge, most are not CT/New England kids. College Basketball is a business. If you were the parent of a top New England player, would you really want him to go to UConn in its current state?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

......I can go back further. HOF Calvin Murphy, to Niagra, Super John Williamson (Wilbur Cross), the late Soup Campbell (Wilbur Cross) to PC, Sly Williams (Lee HIgh, NH) URI, John Pinone (South Catholic......I think) to Villanova, John Bagly, (Bridgeport) to BC,. there are more, but really, as was said do you want to continue this all over again.

A number of very good names.

Bagley however only went to BC because Perno never offered him a scholarship (Mike McKay begged Perno to sign him). Perno was enamored with Rod Foster (a name you missed, landed at UCLA) and overlooked Bagley.

JB's stellar freshman year at BC led Perno to sign Hobbs & Giscombe, two undersized guards, making it impossible a year later to add Michael Adams (also landed at BC).

 

[Dogdeacon]

A number of very good names.

Bagley however only went to BC because Perno never offered him a scholarship (Mike McKay begged Perno to sign him). Perno was enamored with Rod Foster (a name you missed, landed at UCLA) and overlooked Bagley.

JB's stellar freshman year at BC led Perno to sign Hobbs & Giscombe, two undersized guards, making it impossible a year later to add Michael Adams (also landed at BC).

Great history, never knew that. Did Perno also have any pipe dream hope of getting Ewing with Hobbs or was that never even dreamed of? Hobbs was solid enough anyway to help Perno keep his job and UConn stay mildly competent. Hobbs was a poor man's Taliek Brown!

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Perno said (many years later) that the possibility of an in with Ewing was always a consideration but that he recruited Hobbs for Hobbs.

Hobbs always said he was leery about some who recruited him as he felt they only wanted him for Ewing. This was a big part of him coming to UConn.

I always liked Hobbs, both as a player and a coach. I'm still convinced he was our best guards coach ever & I would have loved to have seen Dyson with Kayleigh Heckel teaching him. I belueve JD would have been everything that we hoped and/or expected him to be if he had Kayleigh Heckel coaching him.

 

[polycom]

It's a misconception though if you are including all the prep school kids. To my knowledge, most are not CT/New England kids. College Basketball is a business. If you were the parent of a top New England player, would you really want him to go to UConn in its current state?

I thought it was about education? I thought people who are part of businesses get paid.

 

[Showballot]

No. I'm a bit older than him.

I did play against Julian Allen and Julian Smith though, apparently (i remember someone saying they had some college players on that team, I used Real GM to look it up).

Julian Allen was so good. That team also has Damian Saunders right?

 

[the Q]

Julian Allen was so good. That team also has Damian Saunders right?

I think Saunders would've been a frosh that year.

This 6-5 dude, Eric Johnson had their biggest game.

The year I played them they didn't win it all, I believe they lost to the Wilbur Cross team lead by Stanley Myers, one of the biggest teenagers I ever saw in person. He was a manchild.

but damn I wish I got to play against him.

 

[the Q]

Speaking of legends from that era.....what happened to Roosevelt Lee?

He was supposed to be the 2nd coming or something like that.

I saw an article that he's still playing Pro-Am ball.

 

[uconnfan68]

......I can go back further. HOF Calvin Murphy, to Niagra, Super John Williamson (Wilbur Cross), the late Soup Campbell (Wilbur Cross) to PC, Sly Williams (Lee HIgh, NH) URI, John Pinone (South Catholic......I think) to Villanova, John Bagly, (Bridgeport) to BC,. there are more, but really, as was said do you want to continue this all over again.

They were all after Wardlaw. He was Cross ‘59 or ‘60. Played on FF Loyola team. 5’11” forward.

 

[boog204]

I thought it was about education? I thought people who are part of businesses get paid.

Yep. The payment is at the next level (unless it's already happened.) You think Jalen is happy w/ the decision he's made to come here? If he's at Kansas right now I'd virtually guarantee he's a first-round pick.

 

[the Q]

Yep. The payment is at the next level (unless it's already happened.) You think Jalen is happy w/ the decision he's made to come here? If he's at Kansas right now I'd virtually guarantee he's a first-round pick.

You mean like Frank Mason was?

NPOY Frank Mason....

even he wasn't.

 

[boog204]

You mean like Frank Mason was?

NPOY Frank Mason....

even he wasn't.

You want to compare physical attributes there? If Mason was 6-3 and could jump, he would have been a first round pick. I'd also venture to say that Jalen is more talented overall than Mason. Mason just played with better players, in a better environment, for a team that runs an offense.

 

[Waquoit]

....Super John Williamson (Wilbur Cross),

I found myself driving from Tucson to El Paso a few years back and noticed New Mexico State had a home game so I pulled over in Las Cruces. NMSU only had a couple of players retired and raised to the rafters and one of them was Super John. How the hell did he end up there? The story I heard later is that Lou Henson agree to take a couple of Williamson's buddies.

 

[Dogdeacon]

You want to compare physical attributes there? If Mason was 6-3 and could jump, he would have been a first round pick. I'd also venture to say that Jalen is more talented overall than Mason. Mason just played with better players, in a better environment, for a team that runs an offense.

And Mason got a 2yr deal making $1.2M, 1.4M, is playing 20 mins/per and might even become starting PG if they trade Hill. If you offered that to Jalen right now he'd take it before you finished your senten..

 

[superjohn]

It's a misconception though if you are including all the prep school kids. To my knowledge, most are not CT/New England kids. College Basketball is a business. If you were the parent of a top New England player, would you really want him to go to UConn in its current state?

Point is New England Prep is the best in the country and we aren't getting them, a ton of the kids are from New England.

 

[the Q]

You want to compare physical attributes there? If Mason was 6-3 and could jump, he would have been a first round pick. I'd also venture to say that Jalen is more talented overall than Mason. Mason just played with better players, in a better environment, for a team that runs an offense.

He's bigger.

But frankly look at Mason and even Graham's BPMs (even if it's not perfect) compared to adams. (I added Graham becuase he's a pretty solid 2nd round pick right now as the new starting PG at Kansas).

Devonte' Graham College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Jalen Adams College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Frank Mason College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Graham was over 9.0 three years running.

Mason was high 8s two years running and then over 10 as a senior.

Adams is 3.9, 4.1 and 3.6 this year. Adams is bigger. I'm curious how he tests out athletically. And yes, he really needs to improve his shooting. He really needs to come back next year.

 

[boog204]

He's bigger.

But frankly look at Mason and even Graham's BPMs (even if it's not perfect) compared to adams. (I added Graham becuase he's a pretty solid 2nd round pick right now as the new starting PG at Kansas).

Devonte' Graham College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Jalen Adams College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Frank Mason College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Graham was over 9.0 three years running.

Mason was high 8s two years running and then over 10 as a senior.

Adams is 3.9, 4.1 and 3.6 this year. Adams is bigger. I'm curious how he tests out athletically. And yes, he really needs to improve his shooting. He really needs to come back next year.

I'm not too familiar with that stat so I'll ask. If this stat is measuring efficiency and the like then Jalen's #'s will be quite lower, right? Mason and Graham are absolutely more efficient players

My point is that Mason and Graham play in a system that utilizes them to their utmost. Jalen is forced to try to do almost everything for us. He's forced to take tough shots because the offense does not allow many open looks. He's forced to try to go 1 on 3 b/c there are two and sometimes three non -threats on the court. This is not to say that Jalen is this diamond. He certainly has to improve in many, many aspects. Shooting, decision making, composure, etc. I just can't help but think that he would be a household name in college basketball if he had better people around him and a system that did not require him to take 17 tough shots a game out of necessity and be the only competent distributor.

By the looks test, Jalen should test out better from an athletic standpoint than the Kansas guys and that alone makes his ceiling significantly higher. The size differential would also factor in pretty heavily.

 

[crazyUCfan23]

The amount Jalen is forced/expected to contribute on a game to game basis is basically equivalent to being the only viable player on a bad high school team.

 

[CTFIRERETIRED]

I found myself driving from Tucson to El Paso a few years back and noticed New Mexico State had a home game so I pulled over in Las Cruces. NMSU only had a couple of players retired and raised to the rafters and one of them was Super John. How the hell did he end up there? The story I heard later is that Lou Henson agree to take a couple of Williamson's buddies.

And I believe that Maurice Williamson, (cousin, son, brother?) ended up at LSU, about the same time or a bit earlier than Shaq.

 

[CTFIRERETIRED]

And I believe that Maurice Williamson, (cousin, son, brother?) ended up at LSU, about the same time or a bit earlier than Shaq.

.....not to mention Tom Roy, South Windsor, mid-70s, to Maryland. Lest we forget all the way back to 1959-60, Johnny Egan, Hartford, to PC. So many to mention, yeah, Michael Adams from Hartford to BC. AA., Bob Nash from Hartford Public to, U of Hawaii, in 66.