An Oregon Community College school shooting

[ktuck911]

the reality in this country is people take offense based on assumptions all the time. Depending on demographics (that are as small as the tinyest of neighborhoods), along with race, social/sexist views, everyone's gonna view things their own way. Like Jimmy Serrano said if their offended it's "...their problem, not yours." The pros and cons of freedom in the US at its best.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Jim Jefferies is right.

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[Excalibur]

This just sucks. What is wrong with this country and it is not just about guns?

A vast majority of citizens in Switzerland own guns as part of their mandatory militia service (thus nearly all have weapons training and screening) and yet they had 18 murders (out of 41 total) by firearms in 2014 out of 8.08 million or a rate of
0.0002% or 0.002 per 1,000. The US has a population of 318.9 million and in 2014 there were roughly 9,000 murders by firearms, which is a rate of 0.0028% or 0.028 per 1,000. That is a massive difference. Why? How?

The Swiss have a strict permitting process for private weapons (including registration), severely limit concealed carry, and don't allow ammunition in the home for the military-issued firearms.

On the larger discussion, I don't have a problem with concealed carry or permitting well-educated, responsible citizens from keeping and carrying guns. It's the ease of acquisition that I think is an issue, and one of many things we can do that could help to curb large-scale shootings, along with a dozen other things not related to guns.

There are two things I hate hearing in the discussion on guns and mass shootings --

1) "It's not __________, it's ____________". No, it's all of those things. This quote makes me want to pull my %&#ing hair out.

2) "________ wouldn't have prevented this" or "won't prevent the next one". While prevention is a noble goal, it's an unreasonable one. You're never going to eliminate risk. When people make prevention the measuring stick, basically what they're saying is "even if [this action] will make it more difficult for someone to do this in the future, it won't eliminate the problem altogether so we shouldn't try". That is just incredibly dumb.