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Did KJ play at all in league play?

I think it was one game in conference, against Tulane. He played in 10 games up til early January. He missed games here and there throughout November and December, and decided to apply for a redshirt.

In hindsight, I guess I should of done some looking into it before spouting my displeasure on the board. Do conference honors go towards conference stats only? If so, he didn't play the majority of the conference schedule.
 
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That's fair.

Adams had a 97.5 ORtg in conference. That's awful. It's amazing that Clark didn't even make second team. Feel really bad for him. These things really put zero stock into defense or efficiency.
 

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Dotson and Gray???!! No Clark???! Not only is the officiating in this league sucks but voting perspective is off base, btw- congrats Jalen. Well Done. Deserved. IMHO
 
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Hearing Semi Ojeleye player of the year. Not surprising. Surprise is KJ Lawson as rookie of the year. OK not neccessarily surprising, but leaves me feeling bitter. See my previous thoughts in this thread.
 
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I wouldn't have had a problem with Fall making one of the teams, but I don't think it's a great comparison for a couple reasons. One, Clark's one of the best passers at his position in the country. The 2 assists per game is impressive in its own right, but he also racks up a lot of hockey assists out of the post. Fall's assist to turnover ratio is about 1 to 6 and he hasn't done much to keep a pretty dreadful above water because he can't create anything. He's not so unlike Brimah.

Second, Clark played four more minutes per game (doesn't sound like much, but amounts to almost 100 minutes over the course of a conference schedule) for a far better team, posting an offensive rating of 122 and a defensive rating of 87. Fall is at 102 and 91. That's a huge difference.

They dominate in different ways defensively. Offensively, Clark is far more sophisticated. Fall would have had a better case based on his non-conference stats.
 
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I also think Fall as the defensive player of the year is with a lot of caveats. If the criteria is only guarding the basket then i would not have an issue with it. However, he can't guard a guy out on the floor and that's one of the reasons against better shooting teams he comes out. A big guy who can shoot on the perimeter he cannot guard. He's nice to have, but they didn't have ncaa tourney qualifications in large part because his game does not translate to types of situations and teams.
 
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I also think Fall as the defensive player of the year is with a lot of caveats. If the criteria is only guarding the basket then i would not have an issue with it. However, he can't guard a guy out on the floor and that's one of the reasons against better shooting teams he comes out. A big guy who can shoot on the perimeter he cannot guard. He's nice to have, but they didn't have ncaa tourney qualifications in large part because his game does not translate to types of situations and teams.

Don't agree with this. They aren't going to the tournament because their offense is horrendous.
 

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I also think Fall as the defensive player of the year is with a lot of caveats. If the criteria is only guarding the basket then i would not have an issue with it. However, he can't guard a guy out on the floor and that's one of the reasons against better shooting teams he comes out. A big guy who can shoot on the perimeter he cannot guard. He's nice to have, but they didn't have ncaa tourney qualifications in large part because his game does not translate to types of situations and teams.

So you know you just described Brimah.

Former defensive player of the year. Caveats? Ymmv
 

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