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Alex k needs to move his game in

Agreed. You get no bonus points for degree of difficulty. Obviously he can make those, but when he's struggling -- and he can be streaky (he shot just 29% from three in the postseason last year) -- there's no reason why he shouldn't take a step or two in and increase his odds.
 
upstater said:
The same thing happened to him last year. He had several games of missed 3s in a row. His shot was flat.

He adjusted and it didn't happen again.

He'll figure it out
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That's not exactly true. You're talking about the Marquette/Creighton/Nova/Hall stretch. He was 4/22 from three (18%). He closed out the regular season in a big way, going 9/17 @ Marquette and @ Providence, but then his post-season was below par and it dragged his 3pt average below 40%. Both he and Cam were chasing 40/50/90 and Alex ended up falling short on all three.... 37.9/49.5/88.5.

Anyways, I'm sure he'll recover but the OP has a point. There are ways to make the game easier especially when you can't hit the broad side of a barn.
 
Mike Honcho said:
That's not exactly true. You're talking about the Marquette/Creighton/Nova/Hall stretch. He was 4/22 from three (18%). He closed out the regular season in a big way, going 9/17 @ Marquette and @ Providence, but then his post-season was below par and it dragged his 3pt average below 40%. Both he and Cam were chasing 40/50/90 and Alex ended up falling short on all three.... 37.9/49.5/88.5.

Anyways, I'm sure he'll recover but the OP has a point. There are ways to make the game easier especially when you can't hit the broad side of a barn.
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The numbers you provide actually reinforce what I wrote: 18% over a 4 game stretch,

His avg. dropped somewhat in the post season, but nowhere near 18% right? Closer to 35%?
 
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upstater said:
The numbers you provide actually reinforce what I wrote: 18% over a 4 game stretch,

His avg. dropped somewhat in the post season, but nowhere near 18% right? Closer to 35%?
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BET: 4-13 (30.8%)
NCAAT: 8-29 (27.6%)
Postseason total: 12-42 (28.6%)
 
Maybe he can use his size and legth to have a more of post game inside. I would like to see him take some shots closer to the rim when posting up. He has tried dribble penentration and when teams collapse on him doing it he is a turnover machine. I think he needs to develop a game closer to the rim that will help open up his outside game.
 
Mike Honcho said:
That's not exactly true. You're talking about the Marquette/Creighton/Nova/Hall stretch. He was 4/22 from three (18%). He closed out the regular season in a big way, going 9/17 @ Marquette and @ Providence, but then his post-season was below par and it dragged his 3pt average below 40%. Both he and Cam were chasing 40/50/90 and Alex ended up falling short on all three.... 37.9/49.5/88.5.

Anyways, I'm sure he'll recover but the OP has a point. There are ways to make the game easier especially when you can't hit the broad side of a barn.
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I think I disagree with the " broadside of a barn " characterization.

From my comfy couch, I seem to remember most of his missed 3s rimmed out. He was largely on target, just a bit shy of going in.
 
3rdbass said:
Maybe he can use his size and legth to have a more of post game inside. I would like to see him take some shots closer to the rim when posting up. He has tried dribble penentration and when teams collapse on him doing it he is a turnover machine. I think he needs to develop a game closer to the rim that will help open up his outside game.
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1 turnover a game in over 30 minutes a game=turnover machine
 
a lot of those shots look worse when he’s not hitting. He played like an all American who was having an off game, he was 3-3 inside the arc and he even hits 2 of those 3’s we win by 11. He got offensive boards and incredibly timely baskets. I think he can hit in corner but he loves those above the break 3s from NBA range.
 
Scrappy3 said:
Too many shots from 3 4-6 feet behind the line. Suggest more corner 3s to diversify a few more dribble drives and move the shot in overall
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Hes the player he is. Not sure what people are expecting. He isnt suddenly going to turn into Ray Allen. AK is a good not great shooter who can be streaky and is limited athletically so has a hard time creating his own shot especially off the dribble. But he makes up for a lot of that with his bbiq and can make the big plays or make a big shot when you really need one.
 
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drive to the paint and see the ball go in - basketballs best remedy
 
TheChamps990411 said:
Hes the player he is. Not sure what people are expecting. He isnt suddenly going to turn into Ray Allen. AK is a good not great shooter who can be streaky and is limited athletically so has a hard time creating his own shot especially off the dribble. But he makes up for a lot of that with his bbiq and can make the big plays or make a big shot when you really need one.
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I think taking better 3s and moving a few to the corners would help.
 
Mike Honcho said:
Agreed. You get no bonus points for degree of difficulty. Obviously he can make those, but when he's struggling -- and he can be streaky (he shot just 29% from three in the postseason last year) -- there's no reason why he shouldn't take a step or two in and increase his odds.
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I don’t mind him taking those after they’ve worked the offense & the shot clock a little. But, unless he’s really on a hot streak, I agree theres no reason to take those shots at the beginning of possessions. There’s enough other good offensive options for this team.
 
He can’t just move a couple feet closer. He’s being guarded. He’s extending his distance to get open. Defenses are challenging him to beat them off the dribble. He needs to create or cut and move more without the ball. He seems to be strong enough that he can drive occasionally but he isn’t quick enough to do it all the time.
 
He should have some type of inside game at this point
 
prankster said:
I think I disagree with the " broadside of a barn " characterization.

From my comfy couch, I seem to remember most of his missed 3s rimmed out. He was largely on target, just a bit shy of going in.
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I'm rewatching the game now. His first two attempts were not close. The first one hit the backboard first, and the second one hit to the left of the hoop. Also, for his second one he stepped into a deep walk-up three before any offense was run.
 
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REB1094 said:
BET: 4-13 (30.8%)
NCAAT: 8-29 (27.6%)
Postseason total: 12-42 (28.6%)
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v. Stetson: 1-5
v. Northwestern: 1-4
v. San Diego State: 2-6
v. Illinois: 1-4
v. Alabama: 2-4
v. Purdue: 1-6

Essentially two bad games (Stetson, Purdue), two bad games but low volume (Northwestern, Illinois), one sub-par game on medium volume (SDSU), and very good game on low volume.

He started the year well this year, so this is probably a blip.
 
He needs to be quicker w/ that first step and free himself up for more shots / 2s v 3s IMO. Maybe more set plays to get him free too.
He was really not great last night.
If it was any other player throwing the ball away and clanking shots, we‘d be all over them. But he’s the motor behind our team so I get it.
 
Here are his percentages by region from CBB Analytics. He has, in fact, taken a few more very deep threes year (top map), going 1-8. He’s still shooting better from three overall. He really doesn’t shoot many corner threes, which is something I assume he’ll have to do in the NBA. He’s shooting a lower percentage from two, especially from very close, but that could be small sample noise. He showed an improved ability to attack a close out and get to the rim at times last year. It doesn’t always look as good this year. Without as many weapons on the floor, it just seems like defense can key on him a little easier. Of course, he’s still an absurdly efficient player. No complaints about AK here, I just thought the shot maps were interesting and relevant.

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aceboon said:
1 turnover a game in over 30 minutes a game=turnover machine
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I just meant he looks iffy with the ball and people are crashing down on his dribble and he isn't make the right choices with th ball. I guess i misspoked aobut the turnovers but it looked ugly when he did against Gonzaga.
 
ToolzieFan said:
Here are his percentages by region from CBB Analytics. He has, in fact, taken a few more very deep threes year (top map), going 1-8. He’s still shooting better from three overall. He really doesn’t shoot many corner threes, which is something I assume he’ll have to do in the NBA. He’s shooting a lower percentage from two, especially from very close, but that could be small sample noise. He showed an improved ability to attack a close out and get to the rim at times last year. It doesn’t always look as good this year. Without as many weapons on the floor, it just seems like defense can key on him a little easier. Of course, he’s still an absurdly efficient player. No complaints about AK here, I just thought the shot maps were interesting and relevant.

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Well tha backs up maybe trying to post up a little more to score inside too. He can't jsut shoote 3s and drive as he is having issues getting by people. I think with his length and body he can score inside agaist other teams 4s.
 
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AK averages 15/5/3. Against Zags he was 8/5/1. Went 0-7 and his 3 pt % dropped from 48% to 42%.
His “inside game” is often put backs off rebounds though he does get to the line but not as well as Liam.
We as a team shot 20% from 3 and still won the game.
Battle went 4-6 from 3 and kept them in that game.
We held them 17 points below their scoring average of 88 but that’s propped up by cupcakes.
They are just a very solid and good team and Ike was held down doe to fouls, played 12 minutes which was defended well.
I expect Hurley to continue to get our defense better especially the 3’s between now and March because when you go cold that is what wins championships.
Goodman said “it’s not gonna happen” for us this year. I hope that’s on the locker room bulletin board.
 
REB1094 said:
BET: 4-13 (30.8%)
NCAAT: 8-29 (27.6%)
Postseason total: 12-42 (28.6%)
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BET Champion

NCAA Champion

I missed that part.

WINNING

People still trying to do Dan Hurley's job, priceless
 
I don't understand. Alex was a 52% high volume 3 point shooter coming into this game. One of best in the country. He is on draft boards to go first round.

What on earth do you think you know about which shots he should be taking?
 
Dandy said:
Personally I really dislike the diagonal rotation he puts on the ball.
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Agreed, to me this is/was the #1 thing he needs to correct for the NBA. Not exactly sure what it is about his form, but likely too much off hand involved. I fear Alex will always be streaky with the diagonal rotation.

Compare it to Hawk who is simply deadly when squared up and shooting success immediately translated to the deeper NBA 3, Hawk's form and rotation are near perfect.
 
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