Alabama model

[Scrappy3]

Third x I’ve watched them this year
They go legit 9 man rotation and play with faster pace

With our injury problems going 9 cutting Liam and Al back to 27 or so minutes and getting Stewart and Ross 13-16 minutes each will keep the team fresher in both ends also giving us roster diversification

 

[RuffRuff]

It's an interesting model indeed, Oates is an ex HS Math Teacher and goes heavy on the analytics. There are some major advantages to his system, which is all about letting it rip within 12 second of the shot clock as a 3 or a layup. You then see a lot of dribble driving to the rim or the 3 pt kickout (Sears does a ton of it).

In some ways it's smart, because as a more talented team more reps is going to land on the right side of the win, avoids getting upset. You also have a deep rotation fully engaged, and you know exactly what type of profile you need to execute.

The downside is a bit of what I heard on Titus the other day but couldn't put a finger on it. They have no Plan B. If they have a cold night from 3, it's a problem. They can also look somewhat robotic in this system, which then doesn't set up for situational basketball well or altering strategy if they go up against a good team who will hit them with a strategy that counters theirs.

We are in no way built to run this in this year, at this stage in the game.

 

[djct1999]

Before we jump ship on this staff’s recipe for success, let’s see their response this offseason. A down year on the heel of two dominant runs doesn’t scream for panic. This staff has earned our patience. So let’s be patient and see.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

I'm also a math teacher and I hate this model for high-level basketball programs.

If you're a mid-major with recruiting limitations, then sure, do this.

But as @RuffRuff said, it's formulaic and limiting and I think it hinders the ceiling for Alabama to the point where I'd be shocked if they make the Final Four.

 

[huskeynut]

I don't see the Alabama formula getting any play time at UConn.

Hurley and company have proven they are a solid coaching team with great success. This year's team has not done as well as hoped. It happens.

 

[RuffRuff]

I'm also a math teacher and I hate this model for high-level basketball programs.

If you're a mid-major with recruiting limitations, then sure, do this.

But as @RuffRuff said, it's formulaic and limiting and I think it hinders the ceiling for Alabama to the point where I'd be shocked if they make the Final Four.

Well, he did make it last year. The interesting part is the defensive side, where it's pretty lax. What I think Oates does is run this system standard fare throughout the regular season, then once they get to the dance, he finds ways to ratchet up the defense in spurts with the idea the offense can pull away. Enough not to tire out and hinder the offensive side.

There is some smarts to not wearing your team out throughout the year - take a look at a team like Marquette, that goes balls to the wall out of the gates and ALWAYS goes into March looking like they need oxygen.

 

[RuffRuff]

I don't see the Alabama formula getting any play time at UConn.

Hurley and company have proven they are a solid coaching team with great success. This year's team has not done as well as hoped. It happens.

Pope's running a system not too disimilar.

Hurley just needs his kind of guys to run his system. He needs big guards that can set a good pick and pass over guards, and he needs a smart versatile 5 that can pick/pass/hedge-drop back. He'll need 3 of those guards to be guys that can put the ball on the floor in a pinch.

If you look at last year's template, he basically had his perfect roster. This year, I can't question him rolling the sophomores back as it's who he is. Tarris, for as much of a beast as he is, really isn't designed for this system. I think he wanted to give Samson his chance and then wanted the 1-2 punch and contrast profile off the bench. Can we blame him for wanting to give Samson his chance, off a B2B? No, but I would prefer he not do much more on the loyalty decision making going forward. Mahaney is wildly perplexing as he doesn't really fit the profile at all. That kid was a full on experiment, perhaps seen as Cam Light, but so small there was no way for him to come close.

 

[djct1999]

Pope's running a system not too disimilar.

Hurley just needs his kind of guys to run his system. He needs big guards that can set a good pick and pass over guards, and he needs a smart versatile 5 that can pick/pass/hedge-drop back. He'll need 3 of those guards to be guys that can put the ball on the floor in a pinch.

If you look at last year's template, he basically had his perfect roster. This year, I can't question him rolling the sophomores back as it's who he is. Tarris, for as much of a beast as he is, really isn't designed for this system. I think he wanted to give Samson his chance and then wanted the 1-2 punch and contrast profile off the bench. Can we blame him for wanting to give Samson his chance, off a B2B? No, but I would prefer he not do much more on the loyalty decision making going forward. Mahaney is wildly perplexing as he doesn't really fit the profile at all. That kid was a full on experiment, perhaps seen as Cam Light, but so small there was no way for him to come close.

Yes, he needs big, tough guards who can handle the rock and get us into our offense, he needs a dominant big, and guys who can shoot on the perimeter. For that, if we find the lead guard, I think Mullins is the perfect fit for this offense next year:

 

[RuffRuff]

Yes, he needs big, tough guards who can handle the rock and get us into our offense, he needs a dominant big, and guys who can shoot on the perimeter. For that, if we find the lead guard, I think Mullins is the perfect fit for this offense next year:

Mullins is perfect - he's gonna be young, is the only issue. In terms of profile, he's the guy. We need to get that PG, preferably a big one that can switch 1-3. Those are hard to come by, kid at Drake would be perfect. I'm good with Solo in the "Hawk" role because I'm a skeptic on whether he'll ever be a dribble drive guy or defend, so we'd need to hide him in some ways. With that, we need a 2G/Combo that can move around and take minutes 1-3, and someone who can put the ball on the floor. The 4 is the wild card, lot's of moving pieces there between AK, Stew & Isiah and how all that lands.

I personally think we need at least 3 portal pieces, potentially two starters, to make a dent and to create a roster that is balanced, mature, has insurance plans and not leaky. Any way you cut it, our potential next year is fully reliant on the portal this year. Need to nail it, and with that I like having as many insurance plans as possible to ensure it.

Reibe would seem to fit the 5 profile perfect, but again, young. I don't sense Adams or Furphy will be major contributors till Year 2.

 

[Chin Diesel]

The successful UConn model was based on five players who can move the ball quickly, and long amounts of off the ball movement creating mismatches or seams for cuts to the basket or open 3's. It was quick moving but took time off the clock. But, for the UConn model to work, the ball can't be sticky and players can't panic when the shot clock gets to five seconds.

And that has been UConn's biggest problem this year. Other than McNeeley everyone plays hot potato when the shot clock winds down, the ball is way too sticky when players get the ball and the off the ball movement is sooooooo lackadaisical.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

The successful UConn model was based on five players who can move the ball quickly, and long amounts of off the ball movement creating mismatches or seams for cuts to the basket or open 3's. It was quick moving but took time off the clock. But, for the UConn model to work, the ball can't be sticky and players can't panic when the shot clock gets to five seconds.

And that has been UConn's biggest problem this year. Other than McNeeley everyone plays hot potato when the shot clock winds down, the ball is way too sticky when players get the ball and the off the ball movement is sooooooo lackadaisical.

This thread is kinda silly. As you articulated, we ran a high-level, high-skill but low-tempo version of what Alabama runs. It gave us 2x national championships. The only difference this year is we haven't delivered with offensive efficiency and our defense is abysmal.

Look at the shot charts for us and Bama. They are strikingly similar. Alabama has been trying to execute our model (with very good success) since Oats has gotten there. It's just that they're going for high-quantity, moderate quality offense, we're going for moderate-quantity, high-quality offense.

 

[Dutch Boyd]

Sometimes i question our fan base lol. We’re not gonna win every year. A portal guy didn’t work and role players haven’t stepped up after 4 went to the league. Still having an ok year and yet they question the staff. 3 of the 4 recruits are McDonald’s all Americans and I see people now questioning them. Laughable

 

[RuffRuff]

This thread is kinda silly. As you articulated, we ran a high-level, high-skill but low-tempo version of what Alabama runs. It gave us 2x national championships. The only difference this year is we haven't delivered with offensive efficiency and our defense is abysmal.

Look at the shot charts for us and Bama. They are strikingly similar. Alabama has been trying to execute our model (with very good success) since Oats has gotten there. It's just that they're going for high-quantity, moderate quality offense, we're going for moderate-quantity, high-quality offense.

Let's not forget the defensive end, which was our driving force in the post season as we were keeping teams under 60 for the majority of it. We can speak to the precision of the offense all we want, but what made that team consistently dominant in March was a suffocating defense lead by a legendary 5 and a lock down 3. It had versatility all over and a solution for just about anything.